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Rugby in Oceania

Postby iul » Thu, 29 Sep 2016, 12:06

I haven't found any topic for Oceanian rugby so I'm starting this one with some good news:

Cook Islands to play Historic Tests in Brazil and Mexico in June 2017

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby dwpeate » Thu, 29 Sep 2016, 12:34

Stunning!! Brilliant stuff.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby paratus » Thu, 29 Sep 2016, 14:35

It seems odd that PNG and Cook Islands have woken up a bit with organising tests (PNG in Cup of Nations in November). BUT from WR site it looks as though they won't be participating in any RWC qualifiers. Can anyone throw any light on this?

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 29 Sep 2016, 14:38

AFAIK, they should be eligible for global repechage. And it's a bit of a WTF to see Cook Islands tour the Americas, but nice.
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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby olivier » Thu, 29 Sep 2016, 14:42

We also learn Cook Islands will host two tests in November. Really astonishing.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby paratus » Thu, 29 Sep 2016, 14:52

Armchair Fan wrote:AFAIK, they should be eligible for global repechage. And it's a bit of a WTF to see Cook Islands tour the Americas, but nice.


No mention of any Oceania qualifying tournament other than the PI's

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/qualifying/oceania/bracket

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby Canalina » Thu, 29 Sep 2016, 15:02

paratus wrote:
Armchair Fan wrote:AFAIK, they should be eligible for global repechage. And it's a bit of a WTF to see Cook Islands tour the Americas, but nice.


No mention of any Oceania qualifying tournament other than the PI's

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/qualifying/oceania/bracket

Oceania Cup, present in the bracket of the link above, should be the qualifying tournament reserved to the minor Oceania's teams. It must be fixed in 2017
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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby dwpeate » Thu, 29 Sep 2016, 15:09

Yeah, the winner of next years Oceania cup which will probably be Cooks or PNG will play off home and away v HK or Korea

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby fridge46 » Thu, 29 Sep 2016, 15:15

paratus wrote:It seems odd that PNG and Cook Islands have woken up a bit with organising tests (PNG in Cup of Nations in November). BUT from WR site it looks as though they won't be participating in any RWC qualifiers. Can anyone throw any light on this?


I dont think its odd. Now that they have an easier* path to RWC, it is good too see that they are taking it seriously and preparing themselves by playing tests against teams from other regions.

I am disappointed Oceania Rugby arent helping them out more by organising the Oceania Cup every year, instead of every odd year.


* Ok, the winner of the 2017 Oceania Cup playing ARC runners-up (HGK or KOR), followed by the global rep. (with 1 PI/Europe, 1 Africa, 1 Americas), that doesnt seem easy on paper, considering that they had to play the 3rd PI before, they must fancy their chances better than before.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Thu, 29 Sep 2016, 16:27

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The winner of Oceania Cup OC4 on this chart

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby paratus » Fri, 30 Sep 2016, 05:52

dwpeate wrote:Yeah, the winner of next years Oceania cup which will probably be Cooks or PNG will play off home and away v HK or Korea

Ok, got it now, was being a bit thick.

I think the repechage match v Korea/Hong Kong should be really telling of where the Cookies/PNG really stand in the world order - at present I think their rankings are way below their true standard (partly because they had points deducted for not playing a match a couple of years ago).

Anyway I think PNG will probably beat Zimbabwe in the Cup of Nations and should run Hong Kong close (even Russia, depending on the team sent).

Cookies against Brazil and Mexico is going to be interesting too, but I would expect a comfortable win over Mexico. I hope these fixtures go ahead, exciting times for emerging/marginal teams.

My unofficial rankings has:

Hong Kong - 22
Russia - 23
Mexico - 27
Cook - 28
Papua - 31
Korea - 35
Zimbabwe - 55
Brazil - 66

Granted - Brazil and Zimbabwe rankings are distorted by a run of recent losses but the other teams are all quite closely bunched

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby RugbySwizzie » Mon, 07 Nov 2016, 20:19

paratus wrote:
dwpeate wrote:Yeah, the winner of next years Oceania cup which will probably be Cooks or PNG will play off home and away v HK or Korea

Ok, got it now, was being a bit thick.

I think the repechage match v Korea/Hong Kong should be really telling of where the Cookies/PNG really stand in the world order - at present I think their rankings are way below their true standard (partly because they had points deducted for not playing a match a couple of years ago).

Anyway I think PNG will probably beat Zimbabwe in the Cup of Nations and should run Hong Kong close (even Russia, depending on the team sent).

Cookies against Brazil and Mexico is going to be interesting too, but I would expect a comfortable win over Mexico. I hope these fixtures go ahead, exciting times for emerging/marginal teams.

My unofficial rankings has:

Hong Kong - 22
Russia - 23
Mexico - 27
Cook - 28
Papua - 31
Korea - 35
Zimbabwe - 55
Brazil - 66

Granted - Brazil and Zimbabwe rankings are distorted by a run of recent losses but the other teams are all quite closely bunched


Do you really think that Papua New Guinea could beat the Sables? It would be great to hear that because it would mean that the minor Oceania teams have made a lot of progress and it would shake up the rankings a little bit. But I have not heard that PNG have some professional players overseas because they are so interested in Rugby league. The Sables have atleast 4 as much as I know..

I agree with you that the Cook Islands are much better than they are ranked in the world. They have some players in the Mitre 10 Cup and NZ Heartland Division. And they have played a match against the NZ Heartland side Thames Valley back in 2014, losing 19:12, a very good score for a minor national team.

I think it is very good that both PNG and the Cooks are doing these games and I personally hope that the other minor nations of Oceania can profit from their improvement in the upcoming Oceania Cup next year. Rugby is really important in these countries and I think if World Rugby helps them they could even get stronger if they had those opportunities every year!

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby Canalina » Mon, 15 Jan 2018, 07:05

French Polynesia/Tahiti federation presented the prospect for 2018 and there are no mentions of the RWCQ barrage against Asia1. No mentions at all of a senior national team activity.

Also in the facebook presentation they write
Les différents projets 2018 ont été présentés avec notamment:
- Déplacement des Féminines et des U16 en N-C (tournoi international)
- Paris International Sevens
- Mise en place d'un cadre technique (2nd semestre 2018)
- Infiltration en milieu scolaire


The same prospect confirms the institution of a "far islands 7s circuit" (name by me) composed by
Rarotonga 7s (circa 2-3 november)
Papeete 7s (9-10 november)
Rapa Nui 7s (circa 16-17 november)

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby Tobar » Mon, 15 Jan 2018, 20:04

For anyone that follows Fiji, have you seen a marked improvement in the team since the Drua started playing in the NRC? I only counted 7 (according to Wikipedia) who actually play for them so I would imagine this just helps with their depth. Having a deep squad is something many T2 Nations struggle with though.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby nick511 » Mon, 14 May 2018, 11:06

I saw a piece here about trying to get a combined Pacific team in Super Rugby mainly based out of Suva. Although it does seem like a partially political decision on the part of the NZ govt in the Pacific however any team playing games in the pacific is a good step and it seems to have the right backers in NZ. Though playing games in 5 different countries is not easy.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/ ... -team.html

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby NaBUru38 » Tue, 15 May 2018, 11:45

Hopefully it would make the New Zealand teams a little less good.

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