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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby Buffalo » Thu, 12 Jan 2017, 16:40

carbonero wrote:The site Rugbiers reported that Chile looks to tour Korea in June:

“The first semester ends with the June international window. Still to confirm is the rematch test series against Korea and an Asian tour. The important thing is that Chile will return to play in June, something that didn’t happen in the last years”.

http://www.rugbiers.cl/con-un-plantel-d ... ente-2017/

I’m a little bit skeptical because Belgium and Portugal surely will not cross the Atlantic to play only one test against Brazil. Thus, Chile could host some games and leave the Asian tour for November.


Couldn't Belgium and Portugal play Paraguay instead of Chile. I mean Paraguay deserves some love after drawing the short straw when it comes to the ARC. It would still give the Euros two games in South America and free up Chile to travel to Korea.

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby victorsra » Thu, 12 Jan 2017, 17:41

I can't understand the logic of Cook Islands playing Mexico and Brazil. They should either stay in North America or in South America. Paraguay would welcome a match against the Cooks.
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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby Buffalo » Thu, 12 Jan 2017, 19:49

victorsra wrote:I can't understand the logic of Cook Islands playing Mexico and Brazil. They should either stay in North America or in South America. Paraguay would welcome a match against the Cooks.


Mexico and Brazil are both target nations for World Rugby are they not? Makes sense World Rugby would be giving them tests due to their potential for eventual $$$. Travel and expense wise it doesn't make a lot of sense as travel between Mexico and Brazil is a lot longer and more expensive than travel between Paraguay and Brazil.

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby victorsra » Thu, 12 Jan 2017, 21:42

Yes. I think the most logical thing is to have one team touring southern-South America and another one North America/upper-South America. It would be better Cook Islands in Mexico and Colombia, for exemple, and another team in Brazil and Paraguay. But whatever, it is good to see them in Mexico + Brazil anyway. I just want to see Paraguay with better attention.
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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 13 Jan 2017, 06:39

At the moment what's more important is getting more teams involved during the June and November international windows. Give it time, Paraguay will also be given a shot.

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby Scorpion » Mon, 16 Jan 2017, 11:28

Confirmed

10 June: Canada - Georgia
17 June: USA - Georgia
24 June: Argentina - Georgia

+ a possibility to play with "A" team against Argentina XV and Uruguay

http://site.rugby.ge/ka-ge/news-view/?n ... odID=17364

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 16 Jan 2017, 11:29

And Japan will play France next November.

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby GeoRugby » Mon, 16 Jan 2017, 16:03

Scorpion wrote:Confirmed

10 June: Canada - Georgia
17 June: USA - Georgia
24 June: Argentina - Georgia

+ a possibility to play with "A" team against Argentina XV and Uruguay

http://site.rugby.ge/ka-ge/news-view/?n ... odID=17364


Those are good tests. After Canada and USA played in Georgia, it is time to pay them a visit. Another game against tier 1 is awesome. And if those two additional games for Georgia A can take place, the up and coming youngsters will have a chance to showcase themselves as well.

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 16 Jan 2017, 20:59

Scorpion wrote:Confirmed

10 June: Canada - Georgia
17 June: USA - Georgia
24 June: Argentina - Georgia

+ a possibility to play with "A" team against Argentina XV and Uruguay

http://site.rugby.ge/ka-ge/news-view/?n ... odID=17364


Uruguay and Argentina XV will play the Nations Cup on June 10-18. I'm not sure that we can fit even more matches.

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby rugby.change » Tue, 17 Jan 2017, 01:55

Looks to be this is these are the Tier 1 tests for November:

England - Argentina, Australia, Samoa
France - New Zealand, South Africa, Japan
Ireland - Argentina, South Africa, Tier 2
Italy - Argentina, South Africa, Tier 2
Wales - New Zealand, Australia, Tier 2 (Fiji I believe)
Scotland - New Zealand, Australia, Tier 2

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 17 Jan 2017, 02:13

The Wallabies are playing Japan the week before they head to Europe, and word on whether the Boks, All Blacks or Pumas are going to play lead up tests in a T2 nation?

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby Scorpion » Tue, 17 Jan 2017, 05:12

NaBUru38 wrote:Uruguay and Argentina XV will play the Nations Cup on June 10-18. I'm not sure that we can fit even more matches.


Dates for Georgia XVs matches fall outside June window =
by that time Nations Cup would be over

Considering this proposal comes from south americans (as stated in the article), think they can handle the workload

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby Scorpion » Tue, 17 Jan 2017, 05:29

rugby.change wrote:Looks to be this is these are the Tier 1 tests for November

IMHO

Ireland - SA, Fiji, Argentina
Wales - Australia, Georgia, NZ
Italy - Fiji, Argentina, Australia
Scotland - USA/Canada, NZ, SA

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby RugInt » Tue, 17 Jan 2017, 11:44

Just a comment about Cook Islands playing Mexico and Brazil. Where does this leave the FORU Oceania Cup competition? I have always encouraged cross continental test rugby as it gives better meaning to the Rugby World Rankings. However I'm a little surprised that the Cook Islands, who played in the Oceania Cup in 2013 (It was also RWC qualifying tournament) has not been more pro active within the pacific zone. I am aware that travel is difficult between the islands but nothing has happening re Cook Islands since 2013. Why did the Cook Islands not take part in the 2015 Oceania Cup? In 2013 they won two games easily and then defeated PNG 39-31. It wasn't as if the Cooks were head and shoulders above PNG. To me it has come right out of the blue.

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby RugInt » Tue, 17 Jan 2017, 11:46

nothing has happening re Cook Islands since 2013
apart from losing 6-108 to Fiji in the WCQ playoff in 2014, I should have added.

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 17 Jan 2017, 12:40

RugInt wrote:
nothing has happening re Cook Islands since 2013
apart from losing 6-108 to Fiji in the WCQ playoff in 2014, I should have added.


Just to ask this question. How much Cookie is in that Cookie team? I mean this island has 21k inhabitants and is more or less a "New Zealand with Cookie heritage"-thing.

For the RWC2015-qualifier ALL players were based abroad (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Isla ... rent_Squad) . I think they do have their competition in NZ, OZ or whereever they plye their trade. And they just come together for the team of their parents or grand-parents when there is a special occasion like a RWC-qualifier. (Note: some might be born on the Islands)

So more questions arise:
a) where do they actually get the money to travel from?
b) if from RWC is it smart to give them money at all, when all the players are already in countries, where they could go for high performance rugby?
c) should there be some obligation how many games a national team actually has to play to get money?

I'm not saying, that they shouldn't receive funds, but no player at all from the islands in the team is, let's call it, suspicious.
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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 17 Jan 2017, 12:48

There's actually more Cook Islanders in New Zealand than there are in the Cook Islands themselves.

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 17 Jan 2017, 12:54

thatrugbyguy wrote:There's actually more Cook Islanders in New Zealand than there are in the Cook Islands themselves.


I heard about that before.
"Cook Islanders" or Cook Islanders? Do they still have their passports? I know one Cookie and he's actually holding a NZ passport.
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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 17 Jan 2017, 13:42

My understanding is it's something like dual citizenship. The kiwis on the forum might know more about it.

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby sammo » Tue, 17 Jan 2017, 15:23

According to this ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Islanders ) the Cook Islands don't issue their own passports.

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby nick511 » Wed, 18 Jan 2017, 07:15

Cook Islands, Niue and Tokelau are 'special' holders of New Zealand passports they don't issue their own, but they have to go through extra procedures to get them from NZ citizens. NZer's still require passports to travel to those destinations. Many of the Cook Islands are spread vast distances it isn't practical to source players from there so players are generally NZ based.

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby Sables4EVA » Wed, 18 Jan 2017, 12:25

A lot of the Pacific Islanders hold New Zealand passports. The criteria for selection should be on heritage not documentation.

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 18 Jan 2017, 12:31

nick511 wrote:Cook Islands, Niue and Tokelau are 'special' holders of New Zealand passports they don't issue their own, but they have to go through extra procedures to get them from NZ citizens. NZer's still require passports to travel to those destinations. Many of the Cook Islands are spread vast distances it isn't practical to source players from there so players are generally NZ based.


Thanks for the insights.
So basically due to this, the Cookies are ALWAYS a team made up by Kiwis (+the occasional Ozzie)? How do they get funds to play? Hopefully not like the Ozzies playing rugby league WC for their ancestor's country funded by their favourite pub?
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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby NaBUru38 » Wed, 18 Jan 2017, 18:45

In November 2013, England hosted Australia, New Zealand and Argentina.
In November 2014, England and Wales hosted Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.

I think that no Six Nations team should host three of the four Sanzaar teams in November.

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NaBUru38 wrote:Uruguay and Argentina XV will play the Nations Cup on June 10-18. I'm not sure that we can fit even more matches.


Dates for Georgia XVs matches fall outside June window =
by that time Nations Cup would be over

Considering this proposal comes from south americans (as stated in the article), think they can handle the workload


Argentina XV and Uruguay will play about 12 matches this season. I don't think they will add more.

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Re: 2017 Schedules

Postby victorsra » Wed, 18 Jan 2017, 19:42

More perhaps

5 ARC matches
3 South American Championship
1 South American Cup
3 Nations Cup

= 12

+ November!


Uruguay, Chile and Brazil are able to play more matches every year than Pacific Nations, Rugby Europe Championship, Africa Cup and Asian Championship teams.
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