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TABLES * T2 EIGHT NATIONS

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 04 Dec 2016, 11:22

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WITHIN T1 in 2016

ENG went undefeited, albeit they did NOT face NZL

Seven out of 10 teams are BELOW 50%

ENGINE >> http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... ;type=team

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T1 XXX    W%     P    W-L*D  DIFF

.1 ENG  100.0   12   12-0    +152
.2 NZL   92.8   14   13-1    +341
.3 IRE   50.0   11    5-5*1   +37
.4 WAL   45.8   12    5-6*1   -30
.5 SCO   42.8    7    3-4      +9
.6 AUS   40.0   15    6-9     -78
.7 FRA   33.3    9    3-6     -18
.8 RSA   33.3   12    4-8     -89
.9 ARG   25.0   12    3-9    -117
10 ITA   12.5    8    1-7    -207



WITHIN T1 in 2012 - 2016 = HANSEN ERA

NZL stand 24.3% above the REST

AUS played the most to make MONEY

ENGINE >> http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... ;type=team

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T1 XXX    W%     P    W-L*D    DIFF

.1 NZL   91.9   62   56- 4*2  +1039
.2 ENG   67.6   54   36-17*1   +352
.3 RSA   60.7   56   33-21*2   +248
.4 IRE   54.1   49   25-21*3   +145
.5 AUS   53.8   65   34-29*2    -78
.6 WAL   51.0   52   26-25*1    +90
.7 FRA   38.8   49   18-29*2   -109
.8 SCO   27.3   44   12-32     -309
.9 ARG   22.7   55   12-42*1   -622
10 ITA   11.9   42    5-37     -756



WITHIN T2 in 2012 - 2016

Here two PI nations sit top, whilst two NA are bottom

ROM yet not fully integrated - got the least share

ENGINE >> http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... ;type=team

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T2 XXX    W%     P    W-L*D  DIFF
                   
.1 FIJ   78.6   21   16- 4*1   +187
.2 SAM   62.5   20   11- 6*3    +23
.3 JPN   58.3   24   14-10      +54
.4 GEO   54.5   22   11- 9*2    +29
.5 TON   50.0   23   11-11*1     +9
.6 ROM   38.2   17    6-10*1   -107
.7 USA   34.6   26    9-17      -92
.8 CAN   29.6   27    8-19     -103



T1 v T2 in 2012 - 2016

SORTED by GAMES PLAYED

SCO and ITA play T2 at least TWICE often, than the REST of T1

AUS DO not care at all - just in 2015: visit to USA and RWC game v FIJ

ENGINE >> http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... ;type=team

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T1 XXX    P    W-L   DIFF

.1 SCO   14   12-2   +173
.2 ITA   14    9-5    +12
.3 IRE    7    7-0   +210
.4 WAL    7    5-2     +9
.5 FRA    6    6-0   +147
.6 NZL    5    5-0   +196
.7 ENG    4    4-0   +128
.8 ARG    4    4-0   +119
.9 RSA    4    3-1   +135
10 AUS    2    2-0    +52



T2 v T1 in 2012 - 2016

Here only *iRB PNC* teams can boast that they have beaten a T1 side

ENGINE >> http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... ;type=team

This STRANGE game >> http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... 89277.html EXCLUDED

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T2 XXX    W%     P   W-L    DIFF
             
.1 SAM   28.6   14   4-10   -138
.2 JPN   27.3   11   3- 8   -147
.3 TON   25.0    8   2- 6   -119
.4 FIJ   10.0   10   1- 9   -170
.5 ROM    0.0    3   0- 3    -71
.6 GEO    0.0    5   0- 5   -158
.7 CAN    0.0    8   0- 8   -141
.8 USA    0.0    8   0- 8   -237
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Re: UPDATED TABLES: T1 = T2 * 2012-2016

Postby sk 88 » Sun, 04 Dec 2016, 11:32

Very interesting stats. The last one really shows how Georgia and Romania get a poor deal out of the current friendly schedules.

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Re: UPDATED TABLES: T1 = T2 * 2012-2016

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 31 Dec 2016, 09:06

http://www.espn.com.au/rugby/story/_/id/18317075/the-year-numbers-sparsity-drop-goals-110-year-wait

350 defeats suffered to the end of 2016 by Scotland, more than any other nation.
Ireland is not last behind on 346.

At their current rate of progression, seven defeats in seven years,
the All Blacks should suffer their 350th defeat some time in 2259

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Re: UPDATED TABLES: T1 = T2 * 2012-2016

Postby ultravioletu » Sat, 31 Dec 2016, 16:03

sk 88 wrote:Very interesting stats. The last one really shows how Georgia and Romania get a poor deal out of the current friendly schedules.
Hmm, "poor" would actually be an improvement for Romania, given that now they get "naught". All three fixtures were RWC games.

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Re: UPDATED TABLES: T1 = T2 * 2012-2016

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 24 Mar 2017, 08:42

INTRO a la PLANET RUGBY
With the Six Nations and REIC now done and dusted, we look at ...

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6NA CHAMPIONS

ENG   6   2000   2001#  2003^  2011   2016^  2017
FRA   5   2002^  2004^  2006#  2007#  2010^
WAL   4   2005^  2008^  2012^  2013#       
IRE   3   2009^  2014#  2015#           

18 YEAR TOTAL (2000-2017)
Every team P (played) 90 games

XXX    Pt%    W-L *D$B      F:A       F-A   CH  SL  WW

ENG   72.5   64-25*1$3   2496:1408   +1088   6   2   -
IRE   66.7   58-29*3$2   2206:1613    +593   3   1   -
FRA   65.0   57-31*2$2   2191:1624    +567   5   3   -
WAL   56.7   49-38*3$2   2086:1897    +189   4   3   1
SCO   28.3   24-64*2$2   1500:2233    -733   -   -   3
ITA   13.9   12-77*1$0   1289:2993   -1704   -   -   7

Pt% = (4*W + 2*D + B) / (4*P) * 100

^ Slam (5-0)  # on DIFFERENCE,  WW WhiteWash (0-5)



REIC (ENC) OFFICIAL CHAMPIONS

GEO   9   2001   2007/8   2009     2011   2012   2013   2014   2015   2016
ROM   5   2000   2002     2005/6   2010   2017   
POR   1   2003/4                   
 
ANNUAL 6NB WINNERS

GEO  11   2001^   2005    2007   2008^   2009   2011^   2012   2013   2014^   2015^   2016^
ROM   6   2000    2002^   2004   2006    2010   2017
POR   1   2003^   
 
18 YEAR TOTAL (2000-2017)

XXX     Pt%    S    P    W-L *D$B   CH  6NB SL  RL

GEO    88.1   18   90   73-13*4$17   9  11   6   -
ROM    80.3   18   90   66-22*2$21   5   6   1   -
RUS    61.6   17   84   47-34*3$13   -   -   -   -
MOR    60.0    1    5    3- 2        -    -  -   #
POR    45.6   17   85   35-47*3$ 9   1   1   1   1
SPN    38.4   16   80   25-51*4$15   -   -   -   1
CZE    20.7    6   29    6-23        -   -   -   1
GER    16.0    5   25    3-21*1$ 2   -   -   -   1
BEL    13.3    3   15    0-14*1$ 6   -   -   -   1
HOL     6.7    3   15    1-14        -   -   -   1
UKR     6.3    4   20    1-19  $ 1   -   -   -   2

Pt% = (4*W + 2*D + B) / (4*P) * 100

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Re: UPDATED TABLES: T1 = T2 * 2012-2016

Postby amz » Fri, 24 Mar 2017, 09:04

It's a shame Romania is excluded in 11th years in a row for a T1 test outside RWC.

I was looking on this thread to Fiji's matches from June and July:

victorsra wrote:June 24th: Canada vs USA, in Canada
July 1st: USA vs Canada, in USA
July 1st: Tonga vs Samoa, TBA
July 8th: Tonga vs Fiji, TBA
July 15th: Samoa vs Fiji, in Apia


Romania plays Japan and Canada abroad, surely one more game could have been added for June tests, even T2 one.

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Re: UPDATED TABLES: T1 = T2 * 2012-2016

Postby Neptune » Fri, 24 Mar 2017, 09:11

amz wrote:It's a shame Romania is excluded in 11th years in a row for a T1 test outside RWC.

I was looking on this thread to Fiji's matches from June and July:

victorsra wrote:June 24th: Canada vs USA, in Canada
July 1st: USA vs Canada, in USA
July 1st: Tonga vs Samoa, TBA
July 8th: Tonga vs Fiji, TBA
July 15th: Samoa vs Fiji, in Apia


Romania plays Japan and Canada abroad, surely one more game could have been added for June tests, even T2 one.


Trust WR to always maintain the status quo. One more thing, FLIDTA RISXVA, your articulation of issues is a bit wanting. I find it hard to understand what you are communicating. Please be more articulate in the information that you convey alongside the charts and tables. Thankyou. :)
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Re: UPDATED TABLES * T1 | T2 | 6NA | REIC

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 24 Mar 2017, 09:15

CONGRATS, SIR, YOU ARE THE FIRST WITH SUCH A PLEA

HOPE, THE REST OF THIS COMMUNITY IS *OK* WHAT I POST

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Re: UPDATED TABLES * T1 | T2 | 6NA | REIC

Postby The Do » Fri, 24 Mar 2017, 09:45

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:Image


ENGINE >> http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... ;type=team

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T2 XXX    W%     P    W-L*D  DIFF
                   
.1 FIJ   78.6   21   16- 4*1   +187
.2 SAM   62.5   20   11- 6*3    +23
.3 JPN   58.3   24   14-10      +54
.4 GEO   54.5   22   11- 9*2    +29
.5 TON   50.0   23   11-11*1     +9
.6 ROM   38.2   17    6-10*1   -107
.7 USA   34.6   26    9-17      -92
.8 CAN   29.6   27    8-19     -103



Gee, I would love to see an annual tournament with these teams whether it is a league done over a 12 month period (with current regional games eg Samoa vs Fiji vs Tonga vs Japan in the PNC count as part of the league points table) or a two pool comp with the winner of each pool playoff for the championship.

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Re: UPDATED TABLES * T1 | T2 | 6NA | REIC

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 15 Jul 2017, 16:24

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Update for WITHIN T2 in 2012 - 2017

ENGINE >> http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... ;type=team

FIJ lead by a nautical mile
JPN have over-taken SAM
East European duo scores too few tries
North Americans play more often than others

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Sorted by W% = (2*W+D)/(2*P)*100

# XXX    W%     P    W-L *D   DIFF   T    T/P
                   
1 FIJ   80.4   23   18- 4*1   +213   71   3.1
2 JPN   60.0   25   15-10      +66   59   2.4
3 SAM   56.8   22   11- 8*3     -3   44   2.0
4 GEO   56.0   25   13-10*2    +45   42   1.7
5 TON   50.0   25   12-12*1     +9   59   2.4
6 ROM   42.5   20    8-11*1   -102   22   1.1
7 USA   38.3   30   11-18*1    -43   77   2.6
8 CAN   26.6   32    8-23*1   -185   64   2.0

11 results were added since last update:

CAN 34-51 USA
ROM  8- 7 GEO
JPN 33-21 ROM
CAN  0-13 GEO
CAN  9-25 ROM
USA 17-21 GEO
CAN 28-28 USA
TON 30-26 SAM
USA 52-16 CAN
TON 10-14 FIJ
SAM 16-38 FIJ


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Re: UPDATED TABLES * T1 | T2 | 6NA | REIC

Postby ultravioletu » Sat, 15 Jul 2017, 16:41

Thanks FR, informative as usual. The "try" average reflects the playing style in PNC, where most of the fixtures involving Pac&NA teams took place. Utter disregard of any organized defence.

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Re: UPDATED TABLES * T1 | T2 | 6NA | REIC

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 28 Nov 2017, 16:13

Update for T2 in 2015 - 2017

ENGINE >> http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... ;type=team

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Sorted by W% = (2*W+D)/(2*P)*100

# XXX    W%     P    W-L *D   DIFF    T    T/P

1 FIJ   87.5   12   10-1 *1   +135   45   3.75
2 GEO   70.0   15   10-4 *1   +102   33   2.14
3 JPN   66.7   12    8-4       +69   29   2.42
4 ROM   54.5   11    6-5       -19   18   1.64
5 TON   50.0   14    7-7       -28   29   2.07
6 USA   43.3   15    6-8 *1    +27   44   2.93
7 SAM   42.9   14    5-7 *2    -38   25   1.79
8 CAN    7.9   19    1-17*1   -248   37   1.95

6 results, ADDED since previous update:

11/11   GEO 54-22 CAN

18/11   ROM 17-13 SAM
18/11   JPN 39- 6 TON in FRA

25/11   GEO 21-20 USA
25/11   ROM 20-25 TON
25/11   CAN 17-57 FIJ in FRA


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Re: UPDATED TABLES * T1 | T2 | 6NA | REIC

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 28 Nov 2017, 16:31

Update for T2 in 2012 - 2017

ENGINE >> http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... ;type=team

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# XXX    W%     P    W-L *D   DIFF    T    T/P

1 FIJ   81.3   24   19- 4*1   +253   85   3.54
2 JPN   61.5   26   16-10      +99   64   2.46
3 GEO   59.3   27   15-10*2    +78   51   1.89
4 SAM   54.3   23   11- 9*3     -7   46   2.00
5 TON   50.0   27   13-13*1    -19   62   2.30
6 ROM   43.2   22    9-12*1   -103   26   1.18
7 USA   37.1   31   11-19*1    -44   80   2.58
8 CAN   25.0   34    8-25*1   -257   69   2.03


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Re: UPDATED TABLES * T1 | T2 | 6NA | REIC

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 06:22

Update for T2 EIGHT NATIONS

ENGINE >> http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... ;type=team

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Sorted by W% = (2*W+D)/(2*P)*100, then by DIFF

# XXX    W%     P    W-L *D   DIFF    T    T/P

* in 2015 - 2018 =  65 GAMES

1 FIJ   83.3   15   12-2 *1   +151   58   3.87   
2 JPN   69.2   13    9-4       +97   32   2.46
3 GEO   65.8   19   12-6 *1    +62   39   2.05
4 TON   52.9   17    9-8       -11   37   2.18
5 USA   50.0   17    8-8 *1    +71   54   3.18
6 ROM   50.0   12    6-6       -28   19   1.58
7 SAM   37.5   16    5-9 *2    -50   30   1.88
8 CAN    7.1   21    1-19*1   -292   40   1.90
                        
* in 2012 - 2018 = 116 GAMES

1 FIJ   79.6   27   21- 5*1   +269   98   3.63
2 JPN   63.0   27   17-10     +127   67   2.48   
3 GEO   58.1   31   17-12*2    +38   57   1.84
4 TON   51.7   30   15-14*1     -2   70   2.33
5 SAM   50.0   25   11-11*3    -19   51   2.04
6 ROM   41.3   23    9-13*1   -112   27   1.17
7 USA   40.9   33   13-19*1     =0   90   2.73
8 CAN   23.6   36    8-27*1   -301   72   2.00

* 9 results, ADDED since previous update:

10/02   USA 29-10 CAN   

18/03   GEO 25-16 ROM

09/06   TON 15-16 GEO in FIJ
09/06   FIJ 24-22 SAM

16/06   TON 28-18 SAM in FIJ
16/06   FIJ 37-15 GEO

23/06   FIJ 19-27 TON
23/06   JPN 28- 0 GEO
23/06   CAN 17-42 USA


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Re: TABLES * T2 EIGHT NATIONS

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 06:28

May I expand this TABLE by including URU | RUS | SPN ?
After all, in recent years they are having regular fixture list, unlike NAM

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Re: TABLES * T2 EIGHT NATIONS

Postby Blurandski » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 06:29

Oh boy Canada, 7.1% wins...

And yeah, Uruguay, Russia, Spain are effectively T2 in term of regular matches now.

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Re: TABLES * T2 EIGHT NATIONS

Postby Figaro » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 07:42

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:T1 v T2 in 2012 - 2016

SORTED by GAMES PLAYED

SCO and ITA play T2 at least TWICE often, than the REST of T1

AUS DO not care at all - just in 2015: visit to USA and RWC game v FIJ

ENGINE >> http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... ;type=team

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T1 XXX    P    W-L   DIFF

.1 SCO   14   12-2   +173
.2 ITA   14    9-5    +12
.3 IRE    7    7-0   +210
.4 WAL    7    5-2     +9
.5 FRA    6    6-0   +147
.6 NZL    5    5-0   +196
.7 ENG    4    4-0   +128
.8 ARG    4    4-0   +119
.9 RSA    4    3-1   +135
10 AUS    2    2-0    +52



The three Celtic sides get a lot of grief on this forum, but it actually seems that they play T2 sides far more often than the other T1 sides (except Italy) do.

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Re: TABLES * T2 EIGHT NATIONS

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 07:55

UPDATED figures for T1 vs T2 (2012 - 2018) >>

http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... ;type=team

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18  ITA SCO
11  IRE
10  WAL
 7  FRA
 6  NZL
 5  ARG ENG
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Re: TABLES * T2 EIGHT NATIONS

Postby sk 88 » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 12:17

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:May I expand this TABLE by including URU | RUS | SPN ?
After all, in recent years they are having regular fixture list, unlike NAM



Certainly Uruguay would be a good addition, taking the liberty my self the link calculates the following:

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Team    Span     Mat    Won   Lost    Draw    %    For    Aga    Diff    Tries    Conv    Pens    Drop    
Fiji            2015-2018    16    13    2    1    84.37    499    316    +183    65    47    26    0    
Georgia    2015-2018    20    13    6    1    67.50    384    313    +71    40    30    40    0    
Japan    2015-2018    15    11    4    0    73.33    396    237    +159    41    28    45    0    
USA       2015-2018    20    10    9    1    52.50    559    444    +115    68    47    40    1    
Tonga    2015-2018    17    9    8    0    52.94    354    365    -11    37    29    37    0    
Romania    2015-2018    14    8    6    0    57.14    275    237    +38    29    20    29    0    
Samoa    2015-2018    16    5    9    2    37.50    332    382    -50    30    19    47    1    
Uruguay    2015-2018    14    4    10    0    28.57    221    446    -225    26    19    17    0    
Canada    2015-2018    25    2    22    1    10.00    471    761    -290    54    31    44    1    


Using all the side mentioned you get the following:

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eam             Span    Mat    Won    Lost    Draw    %            For    Aga    Diff    Tries    Conv    Pens    Drop    
Fiji            2015-2018    16    13    2    1    84.37    499    316    +183    65    47    26    0    
Georgia    2015-2018    28    21    6    1    76.78    605    383    +222    66    52    55    0    
Japan    2015-2018    15    11    4    0    73.33    396    237    +159    41    28    45    0    
Romania    2015-2018    23    15    8    0    65.21    481    338    +143    53    32    49    0    
USA      2015-2018    22    12    9    1    56.81    646    457    +189    78    55    47    1    
Tonga    2015-2018    18    10    8    0    55.55    382    378    +4    41    33    37    0    
Uruguay    2015-2018    18    7    11    0    38.88    309    522    -213    35    25    26    0    
Samoa    2015-2018    16    5    9    2    37.50    332    382    -50    30    19    47    1    
Spain    2015-2018    18    5    13    0    27.77    286    397    -111    32    18    30    0    
Russia    2015-2018    17    3    14    0    17.64    238    496    -258    27    23    18    1    
Canada    2015-2018    28    4    23    1    16.07    574    852    -278    66    42    51    1    


Canada, it ain't looking pretty.

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Re: TABLES * T2 EIGHT NATIONS

Postby grande » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 12:27

Four wins, 23 losses... Christ that's bad. It's one of those things where like... I knew it was bad, but seeing it written out like that is depressing.

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Re: TABLES * T2 EIGHT NATIONS

Postby sk 88 » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 18:39

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:May I expand this TABLE by including URU | RUS | SPN ?
After all, in recent years they are having regular fixture list, unlike NAM



Interestingly when I added Italy to the T2 group they are still behind Fiji and level with Japan, only slightly ahead of Georgia.

If you take slightly different dates and go for after 2015 RWC, rather than including it, you get the following table:

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Team        Mat    Won    Lost    Draw    %    
Fiji               12    9    3    0    75.00    
Japan             8    6    2    0    75.00       
Georgia        15    10    4    1    70.00        
Italy             7    4    3    0    57.14       
Romania        9    5    4    0    55.55        
Tonga        12    6    6    0    50.00    
USA           11    5    5    1    50.00       
Samoa        10    2    7    1    25.00       
Canada        14    0    13    1    3.57                

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Re: TABLES * T2 EIGHT NATIONS

Postby sk 88 » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 18:52

I love this one, its endless seems of interesting data.

Removing Canada takes away all of USA's wins in that table and drops them to only 5 test matches, 4 lost by less than a try and one (to Romania in Bucharest by 13 points). Japan v USA games have totally disappeared from the Calendar, when that still seems to me to be a good solid test match up with history and meaning.

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Re: TABLES * T2 EIGHT NATIONS

Postby Figaro » Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 08:29

sk 88 wrote:I love this one, its endless seems of interesting data.

Removing Canada takes away all of USA's wins in that table and drops them to only 5 test matches, 4 lost by less than a try and one (to Romania in Bucharest by 13 points). Japan v USA games have totally disappeared from the Calendar, when that still seems to me to be a good solid test match up with history and meaning.


The Pacific Nations championship (the one that had Fiji / Samoa / Tonga / Canada / Japan / USA) always seemed to me like a great competition in principle, with six relatively evenly matched teams all of whom could win it on the right day (well, back when Canada were better than they are now anyway), and a vaguely logical geographic link between them (certainly more than the Rugby Championship). It was a disappointment that it never seemed to take off.

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Re: TABLES * T2 EIGHT NATIONS

Postby qwerty » Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 10:34

Lucky for us, because it gives more importance to the ARC

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Re: TABLES * T2 EIGHT NATIONS

Postby Figaro » Thu, 28 Jun 2018, 11:19

qwerty wrote:Lucky for us, because it gives more importance to the ARC


Yes, for better or worse the US and Canada clearly see the future to be in-hemisphere.

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