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SUPER RUGBY 2017

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sun, 02 Jul 2017, 15:13

It was a second string Sunwolves vs a near first choice Lions. But yes, embarassing and not acceptable. Very disappointing after the Sunwolves had a respectable tour of New Zealand.

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby victorsra » Sun, 02 Jul 2017, 15:32

Jap is something of a slur in English, just FYI.


So, I didn't know it was bad. I am editing. BTW, we have a big and proud Japanese community here, great guys.
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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby Hinato » Mon, 03 Jul 2017, 12:16

LA STAT: samedi face aux Stormers, le 2ème ligne international japonais Yuda Odo (Yamaha Jubilo) pourrait devenir le 50ème joueur utilisé par les Sunwolves cette saison après 14 journées.

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby Hinato » Tue, 04 Jul 2017, 11:59

Face au forfait de Yasutaka Sasakura, Kazushi Hano (NTT Shining Arcs) rejoint les Sunwolves et sera du match face aux Stormers samedi. L'international à 7 japonais devrait devenir le 38ème nouveau joueur et 51ème joueur utilisé par les Sunwolves cette année samedi.

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 08 Jul 2017, 20:04

BEFORE last, 17th Round

Top 8 set - two seeds (marked *) already cast in stone

CRS could still slip | choke -
visit HUR on Sat 15/07 @ 07.37 GMT

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby eal22 » Sat, 08 Jul 2017, 21:17

Sunwolves should have been given the boot from the competition. To think the Kings are being given the chop when they are actually competing, winning, and growing professional rugby in a hotbed of the game. The Sunwolves don't even seem to have the support of the rugby administration in Japan.

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby TheStroBro » Sat, 08 Jul 2017, 21:35

Sun Wolves will be fine. Expansion teams take awhile to build. Japan wasn't a T1 Nation when it entered the comp. Booting teams is stupid.

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby eal22 » Sat, 08 Jul 2017, 23:25

Super Rugby is meant to be an elite competition, not a competition for stragglers. The Sunwolves are only going backwards whereas at least the Kings are making progress. If we are honest with ourselves, can we see a Japanese-dominated Sunwolves team being competitive in the next 5-10 years?

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby sk 88 » Sun, 09 Jul 2017, 11:00

How come the Bulls and Waratahs are "safe" but Kings and, maybe, Force are up for the chop? Kings and Force are higher in the table!

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sun, 09 Jul 2017, 11:51

The chop is mainly about off field considerations. The Kings and Cheetahs at present are the least financially powerful (the Kings effectively went bust last year and were propped up by the SARU this year).

Similarly the Force and Rebels seem vulnerable because they are in less traditional rugby areas (despite the fact they get comparable crowds to the Brumbies and are based in far, far larger markets.)

The Sunwolves can improve in the coming years and a move to the Oz conference should help them pick up more regular victories. Financially they have to be retained for the sake of Super Rugby. They are the only territory with potential for significant financial growth given the saturation in NZ and some waining fan interest in SA and Oz. But yes, the Japanese union doesn't seem massively supportive, for example listing the Top League side rather the Sunwolves when announcing national teams.

The whole episode has been handled very badly and the Cheetahs and Kings joining the Pro12 fundamentally undermines the reasons for cutting back Super Rugby. If rugby doesn't take a grip in Japan and they have a disappointing World Cup then we may see a mass exodus of players (and possibly teams) to European competitions before RWC 2023.

The completion had to expand to try and chase TV money or all SANZAAR international players would head to Europe for far larger salaries. Hopefully the Pro12 learn from mistakes of Super Rugby, but I think we may see history repeat.

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 09 Jul 2017, 15:06

So I've watched a lot of Super Rugby this year, and you will say that's only one side of the ground. Well the other side is just as empty. This is what every ground in South Africa looked like sans Stormers who were full.

Bulls V. Kings
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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sun, 09 Jul 2017, 15:26

The other side did have more fans, but was also very disappointing. I wouldn't deny that crowds are lower than the quoted historic averages and will be concerning for SANZAAR.

Crowds in South Africa seem very volatile and they abandon their teams in dead rubbers. The Kings is usually terrible and then they got a good crowd versus the Sharks about a month ago. Australia's decline seems more steady (but just as disappointing).

The question is whether reducing the number of teams is going to increase crowds. Or moving from four conferences to three. I think not on either count but hope I'm wrong.

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 09 Jul 2017, 16:46

I think the issue with Rugby in South Africa is that Super hasn't done the grass roots support work to all demographics.

It's not dug into the culture, or that's what I seem to get when you go past the bocks.

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 10 Jul 2017, 14:59

The Jaguares defeated Waratahs 27-40. They have 6 wins and 8 losses (4-4 home, 2-4 away).

I expected more, but it's quite an improvement over 2016.

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby eal22 » Thu, 13 Jul 2017, 03:56

The Jaguares strike me as a poorly coached team. Their discipline is just terrible and their tactics seem rather haphazard. Surely what is basically the Argentine national team should be doing better?

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby NaBUru38 » Fri, 14 Jul 2017, 20:56

That's what Periodismo Rugby punters have been saying for two years.

The Jaguares defeated the Rebels 29 - 32, so they finished with 7 wins and 8 losses (4-4 home, 3-4 away).
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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby Neptune » Sat, 15 Jul 2017, 05:49

Whoa, the Sunwolves just upset the Blues 46 - 21. Who saw this coming? :shock:

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sat, 15 Jul 2017, 11:27

Neptune wrote:Whoa, the Sunwolves just upset the Blues 46 - 21. Who saw this coming? :shock:


48-21. Even better :)

Pretty crazy, not even a full strength Sunwolves either whilst the Blues were playing Kaino, West and Ioane.

Their coach deserves massive credit. I genuinely thought they wouldn't even get a losing bonus point this year as the schedule was far harder than last year. It shows they can compete if they are against a team that doesn't dominate them up front.

The British and Irish Lions lost to the Blues and no Australian side has defeated a NZ side in about 25 attempts this year. Yet the Sunwolves do this!

Ironically a Tier 2 NH country could end up saving Super Rugby financially.

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 15 Jul 2017, 17:28

CRS stuttered at the last hurdle
LNS secured home run-in, stupidly given-away last year

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Play-off bracket

1# LNS.RSA - 8# SHK.RSA
4# BRM.AUS - 5# HUR.NZL

2# CRS.NZL - 7# HGL.NZL
3# STO.RSA - 6# CHF.NZL

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 15 Jul 2017, 19:27

Dates | KOTs set for QFs @ UTC

Fri 21/07

09.45 >> 4# BRM.AUS - 5# HUR.NZL

Sat 22/07

07.35 >> 2# CRS.NZL - 7# HGL.NZL

12.30 >> 1# LNS.RSA - 8# SHK.RSA

15.00 >> 3# STO.RSA - 6# CHF.NZL

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby Sables4EVA » Sun, 16 Jul 2017, 06:52

The stupidity of a team who barely qualifies for the top half of the table on points making a home quarter final is the point that shows why people are not enjoying this format.

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sun, 16 Jul 2017, 08:04

Sables4EVA wrote:The stupidity of a team who barely qualifies for the top half of the table on points making a home quarter final is the point that shows why people are not enjoying this format.


To me the fault lies more with the Australian union rather than Super Rugby. The ARU appear to have done little, if anything to improve squad depth in their sides. They could have bought all manner of fairly cheap foreign talent to bolster their squads and did nothing.

The only Oz side seemingly capable of producing youth talent is the Force and they are favourites to be removed! Cutting one side might help produce an Oz team with a winning record for one season but they will soon decline again.

Anyway, in bright news here are the scenes with the Sunwolves historic performance

Partial highlights

https://youtu.be/an_-qbY7Lz8


Full match (starts to get surreal after 35mins)

https://youtu.be/ZRmDhp578NM

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby Bogdan_DC » Sun, 16 Jul 2017, 08:34

Based on points we should have at this stage 3 SA and 5 NZ teams.

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby JRugbyPodcast » Mon, 17 Jul 2017, 02:11

Fair play to the Sunwolves. It's been a long old season but that win really bodes well for next season. Britz on 48-21 Blues win: http://www.jrugbypodcast.com/sunwolves/ ... the-jersey

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Re: SUPER RUGBY 2017

Postby Sables4EVA » Mon, 17 Jul 2017, 12:22

Bruce_ma_goose wrote:
Sables4EVA wrote:The stupidity of a team who barely qualifies for the top half of the table on points making a home quarter final is the point that shows why people are not enjoying this format.


To me the fault lies more with the Australian union rather than Super Rugby. The ARU appear to have done little, if anything to improve squad depth in their sides. They could have bought all manner of fairly cheap foreign talent to bolster their squads and did nothing.



OH, I agree with you fully, but why should they still get a Quarter Final spot? They should suffer for not producing the quality needed.

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