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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby sk 88 » Thu, 09 Mar 2017, 20:25

Not interested in less games thanks. We already have only 2 home games left this season and its only first week of March!

Prem is much more likely to go to 14 games than get any smaller.

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby victorsra » Thu, 09 Mar 2017, 20:30

So nations teams will struggle with the players issue. There is no exit. It is a choice.

But it is not less matches. It is to split them in 2 national competitions. Clubs can still play 40 matches a year. But 10 need to be other stuff, like national cup.
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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 10 Mar 2017, 09:23

German XV according to Rugby Europe

1. Julius Nostadt (Chambéry, Fédérale 1 Élite)
2. Mika Tyumenev (Strasbourg, Fédérale 1)
3. Samy Füchsel (Albi, Pro D2)
4. Erik Marks (La Rochelle, Top 14)
5. Timo Vollenkemper (Heidelberger RK, Bundesliga)
6. Jaco Otto (Heidelberger RK, Bundesliga)
7. Sebastian Ferreira (Heidelberger RK, Bundesliga)
8. Jarrid Els (Heidelberger RK, Bundesliga)
9. Sean Armstrong (Heidelberger RK, Bundesliga) - CAPTAIN
10. Raynor Parkinson (Heidelberger RK, Bundesliga)
11. Pierre Mathurin (Heidelberger RK, Bundesliga)
12. Jamie Murphy (Bridgend Ravens, Welsh Premiership)
13. Marcel Coetzee (No team)
14. Bastian Himmer (RG Heidelberg, Bundesliga)
15. Aounallah Harris (Heidelberger RK, Bundesliga)

16. Jörn Schröder (Heidelberger RK, Bundesliga)
17. Chris Howells (SC Frankfurt 1880, Bundesliga)
18. Rob May (TV Pforzheim, Bundesliga)
19. Dasch Barber (False Bay, South Africa)
20. Kehoma Brenner (Heidelberger RK, Bundesliga)
21. Tim Menzel (Strasbourg, Fédérale 1)
22. Oliver Paine (TV Pforzheim, Bundesliga)
23. Rafael Pyrasch (VfR Döhren, Bundesliga)

Unfortunately you lose Soteras-Merz and Von Grumbkow through injury.

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 10 Mar 2017, 11:06

+Liebig who suffered a foot injury in practice this week. His out for some weeks.

Himmer comes from the 7s-setup directly into the starting line-up to replace Liebig. We would have really needed Hilsenbeck. :evil:
Sometimes I wonder how the young German 7s-players would do in the 15s on that level. Now we will get a closer look with Himmer.

But well, time to prove for the others they got it as well.

Imho Spain are the clear favourites.
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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby Neptune » Fri, 10 Mar 2017, 11:12

RugbyLiebe wrote:+Liebig who suffered a foot injury in practice this week. His out for some weeks.

Himmer comes from the 7s-setup directly into the starting line-up to replace Liebig. We would have really needed Hilsenbeck. :evil:
Sometimes I wonder how the young German 7s-players would do in the 15s on that level. Now we will get a closer look with Himmer.

But well, time to prove for the others they got it as well.

Imho Spain are the clear favourites.


Aren't Germany also travelling to Hong Kong to participate in the World 7s series qualifiers?

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 10 Mar 2017, 11:23

Spanish XV:
1. Beñat Auzqui (UBB, Top 14)
2. Marco Pinto (Béziers, Pro D2)
3. Jesús Moreno (Provence, Fédérale 1 Élite)
4. David Barrera (Vannes, Pro D2)
5. Iñaki Villanueva (Alcobendas, DH)
6. Pierre Barthere (Montauban, Pro D2)
7. Gautier Gibouin (Montauban, Pro D2)
8. Jaime Nava (Dijon, Fédérale 1) - CAPTAIN
9. Guillaume Rouet (Bayonne, Top 14)
10. Mathieu Bélie (USAP, Pro D2)
11. Jordi Jorba (USAP, Espoirs)
12. Dan Snee (Hawkes Bay, Mitre 10)
13. Fabien Perrin (Bourgoin, Pro D2)
14. Fede Casteglioni (VRAC, DH)
15. Brad Linklater (Alcobendas, DH)

16. Fernando López (Ordizia, DH)
17. Juan Anaya (Alcobendas, DH)
18. Alberto Blanco (VRAC, DH)
19. David González (Nevers, Fédérale 1 Élite)
20. Aníbal Bonan (Bagnères-de-Bigorre, Fédérale 1)
21. Sébastien Rouet (Narbonne, Pro D2)
22. Thibaut Álvarez (Aubenas, Fédérale 1 Élite)
23. Alvar Gimeno (Cisneros, DH)

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 10 Mar 2017, 11:43

Neptune wrote:
Aren't Germany also travelling to Hong Kong to participate in the World 7s series qualifiers?


Off course, that's one reason why they don't normally play 15s. But the Qualifier is in April...

Actually they've been practicing a lot in between. Last week a really young development squad went to the Las Vegas invitational (semi-final lost in overtime against Serevi 7s 12:17). The week before they went to South Africa, before that Fiji in January, next up Portugal March 20-26th.

The World Series Qualifier is taken extremely serious. There are no teams taking part we haven't beaten before.
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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby Raven » Fri, 10 Mar 2017, 12:11

Seems like quite a strong team from Spain...

Not sure if I would start Armstrong for this game, would have actually picked Menzel as a starter as I think he has an extra shift and get the experience in after to close the game..., I understand he is the captain and all, but nonetheless. The absence of Tussac, Poppmeier, Hilsenbeck plus Soteras-Merz and Von Grumbkow might be a bit too many to make up for tomorrow... I also think Coetzee has made a bigger impact as a winger.

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby frakturfreak » Fri, 10 Mar 2017, 21:46

What a joke. The Spanish get all those French leginionairs and our team manager didn’t want to ask the clubs to release ours? As I said, fuck the clubs and claim your rights instead, good relations don’t win the more important international test matches. :evil: Domestic league games don’t bring anything to the global development of the game. I’d rather like the NZ, Welsh and Irish model relation between the clubs and the union.

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 10 Mar 2017, 22:11

"French legionnaires" have been rotating for two years just to be released in these key games and our management travelled all over France during last six months to talk with clubs. And even that way we've got issues to get them. Have a look to our Nations Cup squads (only 9 players from last June have played in current REC), or to how much did the teams change between the two November test matches. We've made a sacrifice that may or may not pay off. I don't think your rise in performance in the last year can be attributed to two or three players in particular...

I understand your frustration and I would love to see rugby global panorama totally change as fast as possible, but hopefully you'll never have to active that World Rugby release clause. We menaced to do so under previous Spanish Rugby Union back in 2013 and what happened was that many players, even some Spanish-born ones playing in France, renounced to the national team because they couldn't afford to lose their wage. That season we finished dead last in ENC 1A. The solution must be universal, otherwise others will make the most of your decision.

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 10 Mar 2017, 23:11

@frakturfreak

Our national team director Robert Mohr was the captain of La Rochelle in the Top14. He knows exactly how far he can go.

Yes it is frustrating, but Spain is also missing key players.
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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby HMFCalltheway » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 12:14

Is Kick-Off definitely at 16:15 CET as World Rugby and the Rugby Europe Twitter page say 14:00 CET while the rugby europe streaming site says 16:15 CET.

World Rugby and few other places do seem to have got a few kick-off times wrong for the European Championship.

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby HMFCalltheway » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 12:17

Ok the photo at the top of the RE twitter page says 16:15 CET so I'll got with that and presume World Rugby have messed up yet again.

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby sandro » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 14:04

Common Germany!!

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 16:02

HT: 3-29

Amazing first half and four tries from Spain.

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby GeoRugby » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 16:05

Armchair Fan wrote:HT: 3-29

Amazing first half and four tries from Spain.


Not surprising. About what I expected.

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby RugbyPUBtbilisi » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 16:42

Unfortunately Germany's dreams about RWC is over... After wonderful start and beating Romania, Germany lost her's shape and its over.

I think Spain will try themselves in Repechage Tournament against Uruguay? or somebody else. After play off matches vs Tonga, which can be used to prepare for Repechage.

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby Silver Fox » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 16:51

Repechages?
To me they are favourites to end second after Georgia and gain direct qualification.

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby Neptune » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 16:52

is the game over?

What are the final scores?

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 17:01

FT 15-32

Awful second half, but closer to what everybody expected out of this game. Unfortunate not to clinch the bonus point...

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 17:22

Should be Spain up to 18th (is that a record for them?) and Germany down to 24th (from 21st and 22nd respectively).

I wouldn't rule out Germany completely. Sure, they'll have to improve incredibly to beat Romania and Spain away from home next season but it isn't completely impossible. There is a decent chance Romania may need to win in Spain next year to ensure automatic qualification and avoid the repechage.

But yes, the final table in the REC will look more predictable than it did after week 1.

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby Neptune » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 17:30

The repechege should look interesting this time round. New teams seem to be gunning for it too.

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 17:34

To be honest, I don't think a European team will clinch the repechage spot. The process is too long and we would suffer huge headaches with player release from clubs.

Bruce_ma_goose wrote:Should be Spain up to 18th (is that a record for them?) and Germany down to 24th (from 21st and 22nd respectively).

Not a record, we already were once.

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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby RugbyLiebe » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 17:41

First of all this REC season is the biggest success Germany ever had in 15s. We avoided relegation before the final day.

The dream is still alive and we still have the RWC in out hands thanks to denying Spain the crucial bonus point.

Now 4 captains of the last three years injured with Armstrong, Poppmeier, Sorteros-Merz and von Grumbkow. Kind of bad luck, but they showed some character in the second half. Long way to go, put we are definitely still improving. It is a set-back, but it is okay.

Congrats to Spain!
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Re: REC day 4 Germany vs. Spain

Postby frakturfreak » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 20:05

RugbyPUBtbilisi wrote:Unfortunately Germany's dreams about RWC is over... After wonderful start and beating Romania, Germany lost her's shape and its over.

I think Spain will try themselves in Repechage Tournament against Uruguay? or somebody else. After play off matches vs Tonga, which can be used to prepare for Repechage.



It isn’t over till the last day. The plan always was to get 2 wins this year and we managed to to that. Only because we lost one game against the Iberians. Who wants them in a tournament anyway. :)

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