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Let's talk about union budgets

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 00:19

I've always had an interest on the budget national unions have and I thought it would be interesting to share them in a single topic...

- England: 407 M£ - 470 M€ (2015-2016 season) / 207.9 M£ - 240 M€ (2014-2015 season) - RFU Website
- France: 115 M€ (2016-2017 season) - FFR Website
- New Zealand: 169.2 MNZ$ - 108.5 M€ (2016) - All Blacks Website
- South Africa: 1,228 MR - 85 M€ (2016) - SARU Website
- Wales: 73.3 M£ - 84.6 M€ (2016) - WRU Website
- Australia: 119.7 MA$ - 80.5 M€ (2016) - ARU
- Ireland: 79,3 M€ (2016-2017 season) - IRFU Website
- Japan: 64 M$ - 59,7 M€ (2017)
- Scotland: 51.5 M£ - 56.9 M€ (2016-2017 season) - SRU Website
- Italy: 44.6 M€ (2017) - FIR Website
- Argentina: 20 M$ - 18.5 M€
- United States: 12.4 M$ - 11.5 M€ (2015) - USA Rugby Website
- Canada: 15.1 MC$ - 10.2 M€ (2016) - Rugby Canada
- Georgia: 8,3 M€ (2016) - GRU Website (not totally sure because I saw figures in lari, dollars and pounds)
- Brasil: 21 MR$ - 6 M€ (2017) - Brasil Rugby Website
- Romania: 16.4 ML - 3.8 M€ (2015)
- Spain: 3 M€ (2017) - FER Website
- Uruguay: 3 M$ - 2.8 M€ (2015)
- Russia: 2.4-2.7 M€
- Portugal: 1.4 M€ (2017) - Interview to its president
- Germany: 1.2 M€ (2015-2016 season)
- Netherlands: 1.2 M€ - According to FPR president
- Zimbabwe: 0.5 M€
- Austria: 0.2 M€
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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby TheStroBro » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 01:03

USA is below Georgia at about $5.5 this year.

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby ihateblazers » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 01:11

I would hazard a guess in saying that Italy's revenue has gone up almost 2 or 3 fold since 2012 when they moved to the Olimpico.

Argentina should havr a sizeable increase since their inclusion in the rugby Championship. Once they get a fairer slice of the centralised pie and improve the argnentine value it will go up even mote. They are probably spending a lot more on the professional and elite side than they should be.

I found this article about Georgia recently and it mentions how much Ivanishvili had put into the sport. It also mentions that the t2 nations all get around the same amount in grants from world rugby.

http://www.sportspromedia.com/notes_and ... -potential

Khurtsidze confirms that Ivanishvili has spent 80 million Georgian lari (US$32.6 million) on training facilities and stadiums. In addition, the 61-year-old has invested a further 30 million lari (US$12.2 million) into the GRU for further infrastructure to be completed this year.

"So in total over 130 million lari, that is around US$53 million," adds Khurtsidze. "He has built all of infrastructure in Georgian rugby, which was none existent 12 years ago: we didn't have a proper pitch or high-performance centre. Now, we have top class training facilities in all around the major cities and in the capital we have four of them. We have three natural and one artificial pitches.

"The infrastructure is coming in place but this project is far from over yet. Ivanishvili is also helping financially with the setting up of the Emerging Georgia team. He is doing a great job to which we are really grateful."

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby carbonero » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 01:46

The UAR hasn't reported its numbers since 2012. The budget is believed to be around 20 million dollars.

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby grande » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 01:55

According to this article from last month, their budget is around $15 million CAD (10.4 million Euro)

http://theprovince.com/sports/rugby/rug ... evens-team

Makes you wonder where all the money is going...

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby victorsra » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 03:39

Brazil:

2015 - 18 million reais / 5,8 million dollars / 5,3 million euros

2016 - 21 million reais / 6,7 million dollars / 6 million euros

https://ww2.brasilrugby.com.br/pages/a- ... inanceiras
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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby ihateblazers » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 03:46

2026 - 16 million euros

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby iul » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 05:20

Romania: 17 363 138 lei in 2015. That's 3.814 million euro at today's exchange rate, which is not that different from the one in 2015. The figures aren't out yet for 2016.

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 06:36

The budget of the Russian Rugby Federation is a military secret ))

I wrote to the Federation and asked a question but I think I will not get an answer.

I think the budget is 500,000 - 1.000000 dollars .
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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 07:22

No way. Only World Rugby payments should be around 400,000 USD considering you compete in both Sevens World Series.

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 07:31

grande wrote:According to this article from last month, their budget is around $15 million CAD (10.4 million Euro)

http://theprovince.com/sports/rugby/rug ... evens-team

Makes you wonder where all the money is going...

You've got the same "problem" as us: in the end it's 10 million divided into four programs (men's XV, men's 7s, women's XV, women's 7s), whereas other unions put all their eggs in the same basket.

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 07:36

Armchair Fan wrote:No way. Only World Rugby payments should be around 400,000 USD considering you compete in both Sevens World Series.

Consider, 400 thousand rugby 7, tranche of the world rugby union - 100 thousand (?), sponsors 8 million rubles (140,000 dollars).
Well, suppose somewhere else or whether something will find.

1 million is the maximum.

Except for the rugby 7 Federation begar.
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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 08:05

Zhenya_Zima will be able to say more precisaly.
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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby Coloradoan » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 08:47

TheStroBro wrote:USA is below Georgia at about $5.5 this year.


Link? Last I saw USAR was around $10 million/year.

Edit: here you go: https://assets.usarugby.org/docs/about/ ... _FINAL.pdf

USAR hasn't been at $5.5 mil in probably a decade plus.

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby Neptune » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 09:25

African Rugby Unions budgets are a closely guarded secret. Hehehe, If you search for those details you can be executed. :lol:

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby Sables4EVA » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 13:35

The ZRU budget is about 500 000 Euros

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby victorsra » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 14:57

What about Germany? And Japan?
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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby TheStroBro » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 18:07

Coloradoan wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:USA is below Georgia at about $5.5 this year.


Link? Last I saw USAR was around $10 million/year.

Edit: here you go: https://assets.usarugby.org/docs/about/ ... _FINAL.pdf

USAR hasn't been at $5.5 mil in probably a decade plus.


In Payne's Q&A on facebook live awhile back he talked about the budget projection originally $7 Million of 2017. But we had a shortfall that was a mixture of HP cost overruns and the value of the pound going down due to Brexit.

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Postby Vova12 » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 18:17

Sables4EVA wrote:The ZRU budget is about 500 000 Euros

Greetings, brother! :D

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby Coloradoan » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 18:51

TheStroBro wrote:
Coloradoan wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:USA is below Georgia at about $5.5 this year.


Link? Last I saw USAR was around $10 million/year.

Edit: here you go: https://assets.usarugby.org/docs/about/ ... _FINAL.pdf

USAR hasn't been at $5.5 mil in probably a decade plus.


In Payne's Q&A on facebook live awhile back he talked about the budget projection originally $7 Million of 2017. But we had a shortfall that was a mixture of HP cost overruns and the value of the pound going down due to Brexit.


Maybe that was for only the men's and women's national teams? USAR brought in $4.7 million in dues alone in 2015 and it's hard to imagine that number went down in 2016.

Looking at the financials is kind of interesting. They lost $800k on events in 2015 but made about $250k in 2014. That was the year the All Blacks came and sold out Soldier Field. One of the major differences between most of the T2 teams and the T1 teams is that events and the national team are largely funded by a combination of player dues and grants in T2 countries. In T1 countries, the events and national team fund the rest of the game. This is why it's so crucial to both grow our crowds and to get more big name test matches. It will make the game healthier at all levels.

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby DRL » Sun, 26 Mar 2017, 11:58

Germany about 1,2 Mio Euro in 2015/16.
The DRV has still a debt of 50k Euro. Which is much better. We started with around 200k in 2010/11.

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 26 Mar 2017, 12:53

Compared to Spain and Portugal debts, it sounds almost like a joke :lol:

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby ihateblazers » Sun, 26 Mar 2017, 13:06

Coloradoan wrote:
Maybe that was for only the men's and women's national teams? USAR brought in $4.7 million in dues alone in 2015 and it's hard to imagine that number went down in 2016.

Looking at the financials is kind of interesting. They lost $800k on events in 2015 but made about $250k in 2014. That was the year the All Blacks came and sold out Soldier Field. One of the major differences between most of the T2 teams and the T1 teams is that events and the national team are largely funded by a combination of player dues and grants in T2 countries. In T1 countries, the events and national team fund the rest of the game. This is why it's so crucial to both grow our crowds and to get more big name test matches. It will make the game healthier at all levels.


Thankfully the new calendar will officially designate the July window as home matches for t2 V t1 for USA, Canada/Japan/Georgia/Romania/Fiji/ Tonga/Samoa. Hopefully although it hasn't been included officially the southern hemisphere t1 also plays some away matches v t2 in November. Hosting these matches will do a lot more for overall development than just playing them.

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 27 Mar 2017, 15:15

http://www.referi.uy/la-estrategia-come ... do-n973858

2015 URU budget: US$ 3 million (10x previous budgets)

Mind that we don't have regional federations.

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Re: Let's talk about union budgets

Postby Sables4EVA » Mon, 27 Mar 2017, 15:26

Vova12 wrote:
Sables4EVA wrote:The ZRU budget is about 500 000 Euros

Greetings, brother! :D

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HIGH TACKLE!!! :D :D :D

Actually the ZRU budget is 80%spent on developement and we hope to see this program which has run for a few years now start to bear fruit.

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