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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby getienne » Sun, 05 Aug 2018, 07:32

Are caps awarded for the matches against Georgia XV and Argentina XV ?
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby Tobar » Sun, 05 Aug 2018, 12:50

No, only for official tests

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Wed, 08 Aug 2018, 21:21

https://olharolimpico.blogosfera.uol.co ... e-mecenas/

the Brazilian Rugby Union is now in debt... losing money.... (you guys can use Google Translator) .. and it is now news in one major news website...
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Fri, 10 Aug 2018, 14:32

Super 16 rests this weekend but Taça Tupi returns.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 11 Aug 2018, 17:01

victorsra wrote:https://olharolimpico.blogosfera.uol.com.br/2018/08/08/campeao-de-patrocinios-rugbi-vive-crise-financeira-e-depende-de-mecenas/

the Brazilian Rugby Union is now in debt... losing money.... (you guys can use Google Translator) .. and it is now news in one major news website...

I've been looking a bit that blog and... aren't they a bit pessimistic in every single post? ;)

I don't think they are in such a critical position.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Sat, 11 Aug 2018, 17:17

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 11 Aug 2018, 17:46

OK, it may also be that I'm a little bit biased because of our experience over here. But I stil think that deficit is manageable and nothing requiring a bailout from World Rugby.

That said, the game against Maori All Blacks will be a massive financial stepping stone. If it's a failure then you could get in trouble.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Sat, 11 Aug 2018, 21:01

What's happening is that CBRu is betting everything on the RWC 2023 and expending a lot in the Tupis, more than they could now, while club rugby is crap. But to be fair club rugby is not their fault exactly, it is much more complex and they do important things. But while clubs and regional unions aren't better it will be a nothing solid growth. Brazil is not doing a rugby revolution. VERY different from what WR lies, Brazilian rugby is not growing nor in good shape. We are only making the national team better now. Which is different from having siustainable rugby.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Sat, 11 Aug 2018, 21:09

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Mon, 13 Aug 2018, 21:02

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/2161770-el- ... -deportivo

Outrageous the idea of changing the name Tupis.

A big idiotic argument: "Tupis is a tribe". TUPI IS NOT A TRIBE!!! IT IS A GROUP OF LANGUAGES that give name to a group of indigenous peoples. It is at the same level of "Indo-European" (yes, it is that large, 1000 languages). The most influencial group of languages that added thousands of words to Brazilian portuguese (including thousands of names of places). Tupis is representative because it is the ONLY indigenous group that is present in all Brazilian regions (it is not Amazonic!).

Two jokes as arguments:
- It is a Tupi man in the badge. Well, so ad a Yara too!! You don't need to change the name;
- Cultural misuse. I never heard or saw anyone talking about this. Never. There is also some Indigenous guys that manifested support publicly. I have even received a Brazilian war cry dance to be used by the Tupis - composed by an Indigenous militant. It is probably a fake argument because I doubt there was any serious complain about this. Brazilian football has dozens of clubs with Indigenous names, like Tupi EC (3rd division) and Guarani (2nd division, former Brazilian champions, very famous club from Campinas). Very different from "Redskins" because "Tupi" is not deemed as racist in Brazil and never a disrespectful image was used.

Bizarre movement. I never knew about a country changing nickname after it is widespread.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby Tobar » Mon, 13 Aug 2018, 21:40

victorsra wrote:https://olharolimpico.blogosfera.uol.com.br/2018/08/08/campeao-de-patrocinios-rugbi-vive-crise-financeira-e-depende-de-mecenas/

the Brazilian Rugby Union is now in debt... losing money.... (you guys can use Google Translator) .. and it is now news in one major news website...


Do you think this will impact their ability to have full time players?

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby 4N » Mon, 13 Aug 2018, 23:19

They should go back to the old parrot emblem. Fits with the rest of the continent, makes for a more fan friendly mascot. Would probably sell more merchandise for kids.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Tue, 14 Aug 2018, 00:23

There isn't a single national team that changed a well known nickname.

Parrots and parakeets are popular symbols for football clubs, it is not that simple. There is nothing wrong with the Tupi.

Do you think this will impact their ability to have full time players?


Not exactly.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Thu, 16 Aug 2018, 20:24

People are really upset and angry about the Tupis change. Let's see if CBRu calls off the idiotic idea. CBRu's image inside rugby's community is nothing good at the present... they are too far from rugby people, that are not feeling represented. They need a better strategy quickly.

Brazil is a clear image that national teas results are not equal rugby growth. They only mean the high performance program is good, nothing else.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby Tobar » Thu, 16 Aug 2018, 20:31

I don't know anyone who actually wanted them to get changed. I don't want to sound like one of those "anti-PC people" but it sounds like it's just a case of the people in charge thinking it should get changed to avoid issues.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Thu, 16 Aug 2018, 22:51

Yes, pretty much this. But based on a very poor (elitist and ignorant) concept of the Brazilian identity. The Tupi culture is not something apart. It formed the Brazilian culture and the Brazilian people through 5 centuries of mix between Europeans, Africans and Indigenous Peoples + Asian and other Latin Americans since the 19th century.

In 2013 the Brazilian national teams visited a Tupi village and they were well received, with the local chief saying it is important to see a Brazilian national team identified to the Tupi identity as it shows respect to the Tupi legacy. If Brazilians see themselves as part Tupis, the Tupi culture is more protected.


Super 16 and Taça Tupi 4th rounds this Saturday:

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Sat, 18 Aug 2018, 23:01

Super 16
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Curitiba and Farrapos already in the QFs.

Taça Tupi
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Tornados, Rio Branco and Serra Gaúcha already in the SFs.

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http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/tabelas ... rasileiros
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby Tobar » Wed, 22 Aug 2018, 14:34

Victor can you share an article detailing Brazil's full time training environment and their contracts? I want to share with someone who doesn't have knowledge of SA rugby and I only have limited knowledge of this.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Wed, 22 Aug 2018, 15:27

I think I don't have or saw a article with a full overview of the whole system, as it keeps changing.

The Brazilian Rugby Union has a diagram but it is not that complete https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2151/ ... 1116309149
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Thu, 23 Aug 2018, 21:49

Super 16 - 5th round
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Taça Tupi - 5th round
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Sun, 26 Aug 2018, 01:54

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Fri, 31 Aug 2018, 14:31

Super 16 last groups phase round

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Sat, 01 Sep 2018, 22:57

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Final standings of the groups phase: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/tabelas ... rasileiros

Repechage (Sept 15th): SPAC vs Charrua

Quarter finals (Sept 22nd):

Jacareí vs Pasteur
Poli vs São José
Curitiba vs Desterro
Farrapos vs SPAC/Charrua
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby qwerty » Sat, 01 Sep 2018, 23:22

And these were exactly the same teams of Super-8, right?

125-10 jeez...

Only Templarios and Charrua got decent results.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Sun, 02 Sep 2018, 13:20

Yep!

And Templários was smashed by 120-00 by Curitiba in another round...

This is the third score with more than 100 points... Not to count the 90 or 80s....
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