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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 07:44

Just a quick question. Are those the games played per club or played overall.
Because if you have i.e. 2 clubs and they played 2 games, each club has actually played 2 games and not one. This dilemna is normally solved by only counting games played per club and not games played overall.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 15:04

Overall. All matches organized by that state rugby union or by CBRu.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 15:50

http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/noticia ... o-da-bahia

The Brazilian Rugby Union council rejected the filiation of the Bahia Rugby Union. This means since its creation in 2010 CBRu has never had a new state joining it. We keep with only the 6 founding states as members. Which means 21 Brazilian states are still outside CBRu's organization (21 states that together have 46% of the Brazilian population, huge potential). Of this 21 states, 20 have active rugby clubs.

The official reason for the rejection is that 4 World Rugby Level 2 referees are needed. However, AFAIK not everyone of the 6 states have 4 Level 2 referees.... I'll try to find the proper number of refs.

It is incredible this situation...
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby SallesNeto_BR » Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 18:23

It seems similar to the shit they did to Natal Rugby years ago. They simply don't want the clubs/people from North/Northeast.

I'm really angry.

CBRu "6 States" championships are a closed shop even harder than 6 Nations. It's time to call them in Sport's National Council or in the Justice.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 20:01

SallesNeto_BR wrote:It seems similar to the shit they did to Natal Rugby years ago. They simply don't want the clubs/people from North/Northeast.

I'm really angry.

CBRu "6 States" championships are a closed shop even harder than 6 Nations. It's time to call them in Sport's National Council or in the Justice.


6 seems to be a really evil number in rugby :lol:
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby NaBUru38 » Thu, 21 Feb 2019, 17:04

Pathetic.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Thu, 28 Feb 2019, 03:54

New (well, not new, but revived and geographicaly expanded) competition with clubs from states non-affiliated to CBRu: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/tabelas ... ntro-oeste

The "Pequi Nations" (named after a fruit called Pequi), the Central-North League:

Group West: Cuiabá, Primavera and Porto Velho
Group East: GRUA, Rugby Sem Fronteira and Goianos


4 states represented
Amazonas: GRUA (Manaus)
Rondônia: Porto Velho RC (Porto Velho)
Mato Grosso: Cuiabá RC (Cuiabá) and Primavera RC (Primavera do Leste)
Goiás: Goianos RC (Goiânia)

+ Federal District (Brazil's capital autonomous district): Rugby Sem Fronteiras (Brasília)

That's basically a HUGE area in Central Brazil + Amazon region...

State championships of the 6 states will start just after the ARC, most of them on March 16th... Ony waiting for Santa Catarina's table... I'll post about them soon.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby Tobar » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 01:18

Rugby in Brazil is booming and their potential is enormous

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... -enormous/

Think of Brazil and you think of sun, samba, soccer and scrummaging. Maybe not the last one, but it could be a matter of time before that changes.

Right now Brazil’s front row might just be the most fearsome in world rugby, laying waste to opposing scrums during the recent Americas Rugby Championship. Canada and USA’s front rows were both popping up like a jack in the box against the Brazilian pack. Higher calibre opposition have also been obliterated. The New Zealand Maori were marched back at least 15 metres in a match in Sao Paulo last November while Brazil secured a famous victory over an Argentina XV in May with a last-minute pushover try.

As qualified a judge as Graham Rowntree, the former Lions scrum coach, describes the Brazil scrum as “seriously tasty” while Milton Haig, the head coach of Europe’s great scrummagers Georgia, remembers his jaw hitting the floor the first time that he saw them in action. “I was doing some analysis on another team and that’s why I ended up seeing them and I just thought, ’holy s***’,” Haig said. “They have got some big strong men in their front row, just as big as ours.”

Brazil’s scrummaging prowess seems incongruous with the image of flair and skill projected by the national football team, but it is no accident. The first thing to note is that Brazil’s 200 million population is one of the most ethnically diverse in the world. While they are adept at producing lithe footballers like Neymar, they also churn out its share of big, powerful athletes. Brazil has contributed more UFC champions than any country other than the USA.

Still all that possible talent lay dormant for many years. Rugby union was introduced to Brazil alongside football in 1894. Yet while football exploded in popularity, rugby never took root like it did in neighbouring Argentina. It remained that way until Rio was named host city for the 2016 Olympics and rugby sevens was added to the Games roster.

A group of businessmen came together and put together a long-term plan that included qualifying for the 2023 World Cup and eventually assuming tier-one status. A key plank of that plan was turning the scrum into a serious weapon. Rodolfo Ambrosio, the Argentinean head coach, already possessed a rich scrummaging pedigree but they have added consultants and sent several other coaches abroard to specialist scrum clinics.

“This is something we have been working on for many years and it has taken many years to reach the level of performance that we are showing now,” Agustin Danza, Brazil Rugby’s chief executive, told Telegraph Sport.

“It started with talent identification and looking for the right player with the right size and right potential. For every player we have selected, we have a long-term plan so we have invested a lot in measuring how they evolve.”

This year Brazil have beaten Canada 18-10 and narrowly lost to the USA 33-28 in Seattle. For now rugby still remains a small sport in the country compared to volleyball and basketball let alone football, but their potential is enormous. According to Danza, 30 million Brazilians classify themselves as interested in rugby and five million as fans. Qualification for the 2023 World Cup would be transformative. “It would definitely be a before and after moment,” Danza said. “When your national team is successful, the players get more famous, you are on TV and more kids want to play the sport.”

This is why the proposed World League which would shut the door on emerging countries like Brazil is potentially so damaging. “We are sure that if you can open up rugby to developing nations we will definitely be more successful,” Danza said. “You can have all the money to bring the best coaches but if you don’t play Test matches then it is hard for you to develop your players.”

Hopefully, World Rugby will take heed.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby 4N » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 01:21

Gotta love Haig’s comments there. The man knows a good scrum when he sees one.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby Blurandski » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 03:24

Ultimately while it may not be the most accurate portrayal of Brazilian rugby, the important thing is raising awareness that rugby is very much a thing outside the T1s, and that’s what the article is trying to do.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby TheStroBro » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 05:04

Except not exactly booming when the Union isn't admitting new provincial unions because of parochial politics. Corruption et al.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 14:49

Corrupt? CBRu is not corrupt. No one steals money there. It is elitist, this you can say. They don't want to share power and resources. They are just like the 6Ns. But yes, really bizarre they complaining.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby 4N » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 15:32

victorsra wrote:Corrupt? CBRu is not corrupt. No one steals money there. It is elitist, this you can say. They don't want to share power and resources. They are just like the 6Ns. But yes, really bizarre they complaining.


What do you mean? About the World League plans? They’re hardly alone in voicing objections and probably improving faster than anyone.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby SallesNeto_BR » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 15:58

4N wrote:
victorsra wrote:Corrupt? CBRu is not corrupt. No one steals money there. It is elitist, this you can say. They don't want to share power and resources. They are just like the 6Ns. But yes, really bizarre they complaining.


What do you mean? About the World League plans? They’re hardly alone in voicing objections and probably improving faster than anyone.


Victor is talking about coherence. CBRu's championships are a closed shop for six states, excluding clubs and Unions from North/Northeast/Central-West. WR is trying to do the same for twelve nations. It's bizarre CBRu is complaining.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby 4N » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 16:19

I know, these complaints are listed further up the page. But if Brazil are in D3 as today’s video suggests, they have every right to complain. They are ranked higher than Hong Kong and have beaten higher ranked opponents. To send them back to playing Colombia and Paraguay makes no sense at all.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby SallesNeto_BR » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 16:23

4N wrote:I know, these complaints are listed further up the page. But if Brazil are in D3 as today’s video suggests, they have every right to complain. They are ranked higher than Hong Kong and have beaten higher ranked opponents. To send them back to playing Colombia and Paraguay makes no sense at all.

I hadn't saw that video yet; thought you're talking about the original only-one-division plan.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby TheStroBro » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 16:25

victorsra wrote:Corrupt? CBRu is not corrupt. No one steals money there. It is elitist, this you can say. They don't want to share power and resources. They are just like the 6Ns. But yes, really bizarre they complaining.


That's still corruption by any other word. CBRu either represents all of Brazil or it doesn't.

That's like telling Montana to join Rugby Canada.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 18:13

I agree that its wrong, I am the biggest critic. But this is a sensible issue in Brazil, because most of the sports federations are corrupt in the money-stealing meaning. CBRu is different from most as it is very serious in terms of accounts and relationship with sponsors. So it is important to make it clear where is the problem.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Fri, 08 Mar 2019, 04:25

Most state championships will start on March 16th.

Here you are. Cities in parenthesis:

São Paulo: 6 divisions: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/tabelas/sao-paulo
Série A (1st division) - 8 clubs: Poli (São Paulo), Jacareí (Jacareí), São José (São José dos Campos), Pasteur (São Paulo), SPAC (São Paulo), Band Saracens (São Paulo), Templários (São Bernardo) and Tornados (Indaiatuba);

Série B (2nd division) - 10 clubs: Rio Branco (São Paulo), Mackenzie (São Paulo), Tucanos (São João da Boa Vista), São Carlos (São Carlos), Piratas (Americana), Urutu (São Paulo), ABC (Santo André), São Bento (São Paulo), Lechuza (Sorocaba) and Jaguars (Jaguariúna);

Série C (3rd division) - 9 clubs*: Wallys (Jundiaí), Cougars (Vinhedo), União RC (São Paulo), FEA (São Paulo), Jequitibá (Campinas), Iguanas (São José dos Campos), Mogi (Mogi das Cruzes), Ribeirão (Ribeirão Preto) and Rio Preto (Rio Preto) / *Armada (Santos) just withdrew

Série D (4th division) - 6 clubs: Ilhabela (Ilhabela), Leões de Paraisópolis (São Paulo), Pinda (Pindamonhangaba), Piracicaba (Piracicaba), Taubaté (Taubaté) and União Rugby Alphaville (Barueri);

Desenvolvimento (Development division) - TBA

Univesitário (Varsity) - TBA

Rio Grande do Sul: 2 divisions: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/tabelas ... e-do-sul-2
Série A (1st division) - 8 clubs: Farrapos (Bento Gonçalves), Charrua (Porto Alegre), Serra Gaúcha (Caxias do Sul), San Diego (Porto Alegre), Brummers (Novo Hamburgo), Universitário (Santa Maria), Planalto (Passo Fundo) and Guaíba (Guaíba);

Série B (2nd division) - 5 clubs: Centauros (Estrela), URTC (Marau/Sertão), Antiqua (Pelotas), Guasca (Porto Alegre) and Pampas (São Leopoldo);

Minas Gerais - 1 division: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/tabelas/minas-gerais
10 clubs (3 groups): BH Rugby (Belo Horizonte), Nova Lima (Nova Lima), Inconfidência (Belo Horizonte), Alligators (Sete Lagoas), Uberlândia (Uberlândia), Ituiutaba (Ituiutaba), Iturama (Iturama), Varginha (Varginha), Alfenas (Alfenas) and Tucanos* (São João da Boa Vista, São Paulo, playing in both states);

Rio de Janeiro - 1 division: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/tabelas/rio-de-janeiro
8 clubs: Niterói (Niterói), Guanabara (Rio de Janeiro), Rio Rugby (Rio de Janeiro), Maxambomba (Nova Iguaçu), Itaguaí (Itaguaí), Carioca (Rio de Janeiro), UFF (Niterói) and Itaipuaçu (Itaipuaçu);

Paraná - 1 division: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/tabelas/parana
4 clubs: Curitiba (Curitiba), Pé Vermelho (Londrina), Lobo Bravo (Guarapuava) and Cascavel (Cascavel);

Santa Catarina - 1 division: TBA
probably 5 clubs, TBC: Desterro (Florianópolis), Joaca (Florianópolis), Chapecó (Chapecó), BC Rugby (Balneário Camboriú) and Itajaí (Itajaí);
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby jservuk » Fri, 08 Mar 2019, 14:39

Going back the the recent article pasted above:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... -enormous/

There has been little comment on what this actually means.

Is Rugby actually booming in Brazil? Do our Brazilian contributors see this?

On the one hand I'd like to see this happen, but on the other hand if decisions on who gets invited to the Grandees Table will be based on commercial potential rather than an inherent, embedded, culturally rooted love of the game (like PI, Madagascar, Georgia) then I for one hope their progress is slower than that of the others nations who deserve their rightful place.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Fri, 08 Mar 2019, 15:05

Is Rugby actually booming in Brazil? Do our Brazilian contributors see this?

No.

It is only the national team. Players number are not really growing. We boomed in number of players quickly until a bit before the Olympics and stagnated. In fact, from 2014 to 2016 we grew only in tag rugby. The real clubs boom was before that.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby didi » Sun, 10 Mar 2019, 06:03

I would add that what drives the development of an unfamiliar sports to our culture would be exposure to it. That could be through sports classes during our school age, if we had rugby programs in local clubs, like we see in Argentina, but mainly through TV broadcasting.

Having played both American football and rugby, I see that the interest comes from TV for the majority of people. And in that area, American football has a massive amount of broadcasting, people enjoy it, there are several things of the game that is more appealing for a first time audience than rugby. So it's very hard to develop consistently, despite the potential.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Fri, 15 Mar 2019, 03:14

Campeonato Paulista (São Paulo Championship) - Série A (1st division):

1st round - March 16th:

Poli X Templários, in São Paulo
SPAC x Pasteur, in São Paulo
São José x Tornados, in São José dos Campos
Jacareí x Band Saracens, in Jacareí
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Fri, 15 Mar 2019, 14:29

Campeonato Gaúcho (Rio Grande do Sul Championship) changed its format. They'll have a preliminary round between the 8 clubs of the top division. The 4 winners will make one group, Taça Ouro, for the title, and the loser will make another group, Taça Prata, against relegation. They are in fact reducing the matches with big scores, because there's a considerable gap between top and bottom clubs.

Preliinary phase:
Farrapos vs Guaíba
Charrua vs Planalto
Serra Gaúcha vs Brummers
San Diego vs Universitario
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