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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 12:14

Sables4EVA wrote:
Neptune wrote:I initially thought Sables4EVA was just talking, but it looks so clear to me now.


It has been Zimbabwe rugbys biggest bugbear over the last 20 odd years. I was at a game in Harare at the Police Grounds when we played Namibia. They had insisted that they had their own ref for the game and at full time we were ahead 20-22. Cue 6 minutes of 'injury time' and finally a dubious penalty just in front of the posts for Namibia to win the game. The ref had to have a police escort to leave the field. The amount of times we have been done over when we have been in the lead against Namibia is phenomenal. This last game where they had a try awarded which was clearly not a try is just the tip of a long string of times the Sables have been screwed over by the Namibians and the reason that most Zim rugby fans will always go against the Namibians whenever they play.


WR really needs to intervene. If Namibia win fairly, I wouldn't mind, but if they win using mischief, we can even go further and sue. I can't recall a time when we played Namibia in Nairobi, plus last year when we played in Windhoek, our 2nd row was sin binned 30 seconds into the match, as in seriously, a record 30 seconds. Refs always warn players first before taking any drastic measures like a card. We then played the next 17 mins 14 men. The sin bin was even extended by an extra 7 mins, and by half time when we had started recovering, we were 42-7 down. I just want to see which ref they will throw at us, but most likely, im guessing it's gonna be Louvrens Van der Merwe the Namibian in South African colours.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby sk 88 » Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 13:26

They last played in Nairobi in 2006. Kenya won, they played in Madagascar in 2014 and Kenya won too.

According to ESPNstats guru, ignoring the 2014 tournament in Madagascar they have not played in either Kenya or Zimbabwe since 2006.

Is that really correct?

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby sk 88 » Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 13:29

Namibia away games since 2000:

http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... view=match

I prefer not to go down conspiracy theory routes but that looks incredibly dodgy. World Rugby need to intervene to ensure fair scheduling in the qualifiers next year.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 14:08

sk 88 wrote:Namibia away games since 2000:

http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... view=match

I prefer not to go down conspiracy theory routes but that looks incredibly dodgy. World Rugby need to intervene to ensure fair scheduling in the qualifiers next year.


Yes, I initially ignored them, but the facts are so glaring. You cannot hide the evidence. Another thing is if you look at Junior 15s tournaments like the JWRT qualifiers, the last time Kenya hosted was in 2009, when WR gave us the hosting rights, but from there henceforth, most of the U-20 JWRT qualifier tournaments within Africa, between 2010 -2017 have been held in Namibia, and once in a while it goes to Madagascar and Zimbabwe, but most of the time, Namibia host the 15s U-20 qualifiers. My main bone of contention is that the hosting should be done on a round robin basis for the top 5 rugby playing nations in Africa, which are Zimbabwe, Kenya, Uganda, Tunisia, and Namibia.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 14:35

sk 88 wrote:Namibia away games since 2000:

http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... view=match

I prefer not to go down conspiracy theory routes but that looks incredibly dodgy. World Rugby need to intervene to ensure fair scheduling in the qualifiers next year.


From the statistics above, I think we can clearly say Namibia avoid playing in Nairobi and Bulawayo, and they use every trick in the book to avoid going there. From underhand dealings to boadroom discussions to canvassing for Windhoek tests for their strongest opponents. I mean the list is endless.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Canalina » Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 19:41

Africa Gold Cup unofficial scorers ranking (number of tries on brackets)

Mukidza KEN 84 (6)
Wokorach P. UGA 70 (4)
Kitshoff NAM 35 (7)
Ojee KEN 27 (5)
Janjties NAM 27
Makwanya ZIM 26
Kumadiro ZIM 25 (5)
Folliot SEN 22
Loubser NAM 17
de la Harpe NAM 15 (3)
Klim NAM 15 (3)
Philander NAM 15 (3)
Tromp NAM 15 (3)
Uhuru Odonga UGA 15 (3)
Sargos SEN 13 (1)
Mudariki ZIM 13 (2)
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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Thu, 27 Jul 2017, 14:26

With all this silence, im very sure Namibia are cooking something.
In normal circumstances as witnessed by the previous Gold cup games, the match officials are announced three days prior to the match.
What makes this match different from the rest is yet to be known.
1. Namibia are looking for a referee who will serve their interests most likely (Lourens Van Der Merwe).
2. I can bet anyone here that at least 2 Kenyan players will be sent to the sin bin for flimsy reasons. (Watch this space).

In all honesty, I don't know what is going on behind the scenes, but I know Namibia are up to no good.
I therefore ask everyone to watch Saturday's game between Namibia and Kenya and point out any irregularities that you may see.
Thanks guys. (Stay Vigilant.)

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Canalina » Fri, 28 Jul 2017, 07:56

At least the head referee is known since tuesday http://www.sareferees.com/News/referees ... 7/2830930/

I doubt there's some sort of conspiracy behind the match

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Fri, 28 Jul 2017, 08:10

Canalina wrote:At least the head referee is known since tuesday http://www.sareferees.com/News/referees ... 7/2830930/

I doubt there's some sort of conspiracy behind the match


Canalina, there is always something fishy when it comes to Namibia. Question is why haven't Namibia played in Kenya for 10 years? The Simbas have always been travelling to Namibia for the last 10 years, since 2007. They also fear going to Zimbabwe. The moment Rugby Afrique adopts the European REC model where teams play home and away is when Namibia will find it rough. For now, they are just riding fake victories into the sunset, and denying others victories through their shady behind the scenes deals. If they are really honest, let them come and play Kenya in Nairobi in 2018. They just want to be in their comfort zone of windhoek. Below is the away record for Namibia. It clearly shows the last time they played in Nairobi and Bulawayo was in 2006. A cool 11 years back. Seriously...... :shock:

http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/ru ... view=match
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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Canalina » Fri, 28 Jul 2017, 08:36

Next year the Africa Cup will be determinant for the RWC qualification, so it will be much more important to play the decisive duel at home next year and I'm sure that Namibia v Kenya will be played in Nairobi, cause this year it's in Windhoek. Therefore we could say that Kenya is advantaged by the calendar, not the opposite. If instead things will not go in this way and Namibia will play again at home, of course I will agree with you

Very nice this image, taken by "Shujaa Pride" https://www.facebook.com/16370306898725 ... =3&theater

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Fri, 28 Jul 2017, 08:49

From next year henceforth, if Rugby Afrique are really transparent, they should do the following
1. Let Namibia play in Bulawayo and Nairobi.
2. Take the U -20 1A 15s championships to either Kampala, Harare or Nairobi.
3. Adopt the REC model whereby teams play for two years on a home and away basis, and the best two qualify and go to the repechege respectively.

This is the only way rugby in Africa will grow in general, but this thing of Rugby Afrique always singing to Namibia's tune should stop.
Thank you for your un divided attention.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Fri, 28 Jul 2017, 08:54

Canalina wrote:Next year the Africa Cup will be determinant for the RWC qualification, so it will be much more important to play the decisive duel at home next year and I'm sure that Namibia v Kenya will be played in Nairobi, cause this year it's in Windhoek. Therefore we could say that Kenya is advantaged by the calendar, not the opposite. If instead things will not go in this way and Namibia will play again at home, of course I will agree with you

Very nice this image, taken by "Shujaa Pride" https://www.facebook.com/16370306898725 ... =3&theater


Yes, Kenyan fullback Tony Onyango and his son.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Fri, 28 Jul 2017, 11:37

Rugby Afrique have still refused to give us our hard earned points even after presenting hard evidence that we have 18 instead of the fake 16 they put for us. :lol: . Anyway, going forward, we will just defeat Namibia and give them all the points. :lol: We will take them to WR court and enjoin Zim Sables and Uganda Cranes as our witnesses. :lol:

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Mon, 31 Jul 2017, 03:57

Congratulations to Namibia, now hopefully from 2018, we can get to play Namibia in Nairobi or Neutral ground. Windhoek doesn't really work in our favor. I urge rugby afrique to let Namibia go to Bulawayo and Nairobi. If you are reading this and work at WR and Rugby Afrique, kindly let Namibia go to the two cities to play. Thanks.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 31 Jul 2017, 09:41

So Tunisia won 31:23 away in Zimbabwe. That's quite a surprise - at least for me ;-)
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby victorsra » Mon, 31 Jul 2017, 11:38

The same thing happened for years in South America. After Brazil returned to the South American Championship winning the 2nd division in 2008, we had to wait until 2014 to host a match against Chile and Uruguay. Ok, until 2012 the competition had a single venue, yes. But in 2013 we even had a format that had Uruguay playing both Chile and Brazil at home and Chile hosting Brazil. That was the RWC Qualy year. But things changed! I hope in Africa they'll change too and as Africa Cup has a new format I believe 2018 we'll watch Namibia travelling.
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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Tue, 01 Aug 2017, 04:34

victorsra wrote:The same thing happened for years in South America. After Brazil returned to the South American Championship winning the 2nd division in 2008, we had to wait until 2014 to host a match against Chile and Uruguay. Ok, until 2012 the competition had a single venue, yes. But in 2013 we even had a format that had Uruguay playing both Chile and Brazil at home and Chile hosting Brazil. That was the RWC Qualy year. But things changed! I hope in Africa they'll change too and as Africa Cup has a new format I believe 2018 we'll watch Namibia travelling.


Victorsra, I don't think you understand how African rugby works. Namibia dictates everything outside South Africa. From the match dates to the match venues to who the match officials will be, I mean everything. You need to ask yourself why Namibia fear travelling to Nairobi and Bulawayo.
It is just that in 7s rugby we are too good for them, even if they try all the tricks in the book, we are just too fast. Kenyan's are natural born runners, otherwise, they would have called the shots in all the versions.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 01 Aug 2017, 06:16

It should be mandated by World Rugby that all international tournament like these alternate home and away fixtures every two years, unless there are extraordinary circumstances that prevent it from happening, in which case a neutral venue should be chosen.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby RugInt » Sat, 05 Aug 2017, 01:13

Games Today
Tunisia v Senegal in Monastir, Tunisia
Uganda v Zimbabwe in Kampala

Any team lists?
News and views

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Sat, 05 Aug 2017, 08:42

Can only find a squad for Zimbabwe from https://www.newsday.co.zw/2017/08/03/wo ... anes-test/

Sables travelling squad

Props: Denford Mutamangira, Lawrence Cleminson, Irvine Nduwa and Matthew Mandioma
Hookers: Tolerance Zishe and Royal Mwale
Locks: Kingsley Lang, Fortunate and Witness Mandizha
Loose forwards: Jacques Leitao, Biselele Tshamala, Takudzwa Mandiwanza and Njabulo Ndhlovu
Scrumhalves: Hilton Mudariki and Scott Jones
Flyhalves: Tichafara Makwanya and Lenience Tambwera
Wings: Stephan Hunduza and Takudzwa Kumadiro
Centres: Ngoni Chibuwe, Gavin Nyawata and Riaan O’Neil

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Sat, 05 Aug 2017, 14:10

Tunisia squad

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Uganda lead Zimbabwe 26 - 5, 26 -12 at halftime.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Sat, 05 Aug 2017, 15:09

Kwese today have decided to ignore rugby and give basketball the broadcast rights, but all the best to all the four teams participating.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Sat, 05 Aug 2017, 15:26

Final score Uganda 38 - 12 Zimbabwe.

A very disappointing campaign for Zimbabwe, Uganda finish 3rd.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Canalina » Sat, 05 Aug 2017, 15:55

According to my fallible calculations, ugandan Philip Wokorach loses the scorers ranking for just one point

Mukidza (Ken) 84 pts (6 tries, 6 pk, 18 conv)
Wokorach P. (Uga) 83 pts (5 tries, 6 pk, 20 conv)
Kitshoff (Nam) 35 pts (7 tries)

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Coloradoan » Sat, 05 Aug 2017, 16:20

Ser Podrick of Payne wrote:Final score Uganda 38 - 12 Zimbabwe.

A very disappointing campaign for Zimbabwe, Uganda finish 3rd.


Disappointing campaign for Zimbabwe to be sure, but I'm surprised people aren't talking more about Uganda's positive form. Not only did they beat Zimbabwe but they drew with Kenya in Nairobi and put in a credible performance against Namibia. They could certainly be a spoiler team in RWCQs and maybe even sneak into the repechage.

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