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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Sun, 23 Jul 2017, 06:20

The winner of the Gold cup now boils down to two teams. Namibia and Kenya.
Namibia could be having a heavier pack, but as you know the Kenyans love running.
If the Simbas run around the Welschwistas heavy forwards tactically, we should bag a win, but if the Welschwistas decide to keep the ball tight, they could cause a few problems. Either way, it all boils down to the two. All the best to the Kenya Simbas. :P #SimbaniMoja #AfricaGoldCup

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Canalina » Sun, 23 Jul 2017, 07:06

Taken by twitter, it seems a caption from the official broadcaster so it should be the official standing

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But it is still not completely understandable to me: yesterday Kenya won 5 tries to 3, isn't it? So if they use the austral system Kenya should have just 16 points (bonuses against Senegal and Tunisia) and if they use the northern system Kenya should have 18 points (bonuses in all the matches); instead they have 17 points...
Maybe they are just using an all-their-own system which doesn't award bonuses in case of draw
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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Mon, 24 Jul 2017, 04:48

Canalina wrote:Taken by twitter, it seems a caption from the official broadcaster so it should be the official standing

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But it is still not completely understandable to me: yesterday Kenya won 5 tries to 3, isn't it? So if they use the austral system Kenya should have just 16 points (bonuses against Senegal and Tunisia) and if they use the northern system Kenya should have 18 points (bonuses in all the matches); instead they have 17 points...
Maybe they are just using an all-their-own system which doesn't award bonuses in case of draw


Trust Rugby Afrique to confuse you every time. From my observation, they have been using the Northern System all along. Question is, where is our bonus point for drawing with Uganda? We should be having 18.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 24 Jul 2017, 07:10

Apparently they use the French bonus point system, where you get a bonus point for at least 3 more tries than your opposition and therefore can't have any bonus points for a draw.

I once made a thread with all different bonus points. All of them to be found in post #4 in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1087&hilit=bonus+point+system#p51658
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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Canalina » Mon, 24 Jul 2017, 08:05

RugbyLiebe wrote:Apparently they use the French bonus point system, where you get a bonus point for at least 3 more tries than your opposition and therefore can't have any bonus points for a draw.

It doesn't fit anyway

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 24 Jul 2017, 08:18

No, CAR and FORU both use traditional RWC system:
4th try | loss within 7 = +1 each

Hence, KEN should have 18 pts

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 24 Jul 2017, 08:31

Canalina wrote:
RugbyLiebe wrote:Apparently they use the French bonus point system, where you get a bonus point for at least 3 more tries than your opposition and therefore can't have any bonus points for a draw.

It doesn't fit anyway


Why? I checked out some close results and they would all add up to the French system.
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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Canalina » Mon, 24 Jul 2017, 09:26

Ken-Uga 33-33 (tries 4-3) *
Ken-Tun 100-10 (15-2) *
Ken-Sen 45-25 (7-3) *
Ken-Zim 41-22 (5-3) **

* from Rugby Afrique's match sheets
** tries count confirmed by several news articles

At least we managed to have a statement from Rugby Afrique, they use the austral/french system
https://www.facebook.com/RugbyAfrique/p ... 2392910695

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 24 Jul 2017, 10:57

Canalina wrote:Ken-Uga 33-33 (tries 4-3) *
Ken-Tun 100-10 (15-2) *
Ken-Sen 45-25 (7-3) *
Ken-Zim 41-22 (5-3) **

* from Rugby Afrique's match sheets
** tries count confirmed by several news articles

At least we managed to have a statement from Rugby Afrique, they use the austral/french system
https://www.facebook.com/RugbyAfrique/p ... 2392910695


Fair enough. So it comes down to the very last result. All the others do add up.
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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Mon, 24 Jul 2017, 15:37

Highlights from the weekend:

Uganda vs Namibia

https://youtu.be/RpRm-ibZ9dM

Zimbabwe vs Kenya

https://youtu.be/i1mGJ3BW50U

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Canalina » Mon, 24 Jul 2017, 17:26

Our campaign has reached its aim, Africa Cup published a more correct and detailed ranking which fits with the austral system.
It's just a pity because I hoped they added one point to Kenya (18, according to northern system), instead they take off one (16).

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby olivier » Mon, 24 Jul 2017, 18:19

There's still mistakes. Look at line 5.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Tue, 25 Jul 2017, 04:00

Canalina wrote:Our campaign has reached its aim, Africa Cup published a more correct and detailed ranking which fits with the austral system.
It's just a pity because I hoped they added one point to Kenya (18, according to northern system), instead they take off one (16).

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My goodness, if this is not open sabotage, then what is? :lol: I rest my case. We will just win in Windhoek and let them deduct another 10 points. :lol:

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 25 Jul 2017, 07:30

Canalina wrote:Our campaign has reached its aim, Africa Cup published a more correct and detailed ranking which fits with the austral system.
It's just a pity because I hoped they added one point to Kenya (18, according to northern system), instead they take off one (16).

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So what happened here? They realized that the French system is not the system World Rugby uses for its World Cup?
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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Canalina » Tue, 25 Jul 2017, 08:45

No, at the opposite they opted for the french/austral system (french and austral systems are the same?) saying that it is "set up by World Rugby". I have some doubts that World Rugby permits different points systems in its RWC qualifying competitions but ok, at least now we know the official standing and which system they use.
To be even more punctilious, the standing continues to have several mistakes in its minor columns: if I'm not wrong the correct points difference of Namibia is +170, the points difference of Kenya is +129, the points difference of Uganda is +38.
The feeling that the standing is calculated by one single person without machine calculator and without someone other checking it out seems confirmed :|

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 25 Jul 2017, 09:20

To be honest, in this case for this mistake World Rugby is to be blamed imho. Rugby Africa is still to be blamed for blatant imcompetency.

Stop the messing with bonus points and what not. And simply just sanction one single method in all national games, pro leagues and 1st divisions of national leagues worldwide. End of story. This bullshit does rugby more harm than anything else if next to nobody (the organizers included) knows what the outcome of a game means in the end for a team.
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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Tue, 25 Jul 2017, 11:04

At this rate they will present the African Gold Cup to Georgia like the REC.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Canalina » Tue, 25 Jul 2017, 11:28

Bruce_ma_goose wrote:At this rate they will present the African Gold Cup to Georgia like the REC.

:D :D
RugbyLiebe wrote:if next to nobody (the organizers included) knows what the outcome of a game means in the end for a team.

I suspect that the teams too are convinced that the ongoing points-system is the "northern" one (that of 6N): in the last match between Kenya and Zimbabwe, ended 41-22, the kenians were up 38-22 with five tries scored and three conceded but at the last minute, with the victory completely sure, they opted for a penalty kick. Maybe they were just very tired but the strong suspect is that they thought to have sealed the bonus point scoring the 4th try and kicked that penalty just to reach the end of the match. That missed bonus point could be determinant for the title. Now Namibia has 20 pts, Kenya 16
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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby victorsra » Tue, 25 Jul 2017, 12:46

Canalina wrote:No, at the opposite they opted for the french/austral system (french and austral systems are the same?) saying that it is "set up by World Rugby". I have some doubts that World Rugby permits different points systems in its RWC qualifying competitions but ok, at least now we know the official standing and which system they use.
To be even more punctilious, the standing continues to have several mistakes in its minor columns: if I'm not wrong the correct points difference of Namibia is +170, the points difference of Kenya is +129, the points difference of Uganda is +38.
The feeling that the standing is calculated by one single person without machine calculator and without someone other checking it out seems confirmed :|

https://www.facebook.com/RugbyAfrique/p ... =3&theater


Maybe it is an inside informations that WR is considering adopt the french system?
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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Tue, 25 Jul 2017, 18:17

World Rugby put out yesterday that Kenya are on 18 points.

http://www.worldrugby.org/news/267572

Assuming it is 16 points for Kenya and they are four points behind Namibia. What should happen if the teams finish on 20 points each? Head to head record or points difference?

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 04:55

Bruce_ma_goose wrote:World Rugby put out yesterday that Kenya are on 18 points.

http://www.worldrugby.org/news/267572

Assuming it is 16 points for Kenya and they are four points behind Namibia. What should happen if the teams finish on 20 points each? Head to head record or points difference?


If WR says we have 18, then who are Rugby Afrique to say that we have 16? Anyway, all this is just politics, as a player, I will only concentrate on matters pitch. The rest is just Yada yada, and neither here nor there......

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 05:27

I had initially decided to look aside, but from what im seeing happenning, It obviously looks like Rugby Afrique are hellbent on assisting Namibia in every aspect

to excel above the rest. I initially thought Sables4EVA was just talking, but it looks so clear to me now. Anyway, I hope the true spirit of rugby competition will be

kept alive without any side gaining unfair advantage over the other to tilt the fair playing grounds. I just want a fair fight. God bless us all and let rugby be the

victor in the end. Thanks

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby SANE17 » Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 05:58

Neptune wrote:I had initially decided to look aside, but from what im seeing happenning, It obviously looks like Rugby Afrique are hellbent on assisting Namibia in every aspect

to excel above the rest. I initially thought Sables4EVA was just talking, but it looks so clear to me now. Anyway, I hope the true spirit of rugby competition will be

kept alive without any side gaining unfair advantage over the other to tilt the fair playing grounds. I just want a fair fight. God bless us all and let rugby be the

victor in the end. Thanks


I just hope Simbas will win this game & INSIST rugby Africa awards hosting rights against Namibia in Nairobi next year. If they award Namibia hosting rights for the umpteenth time, then we'll know how deep the bias is!

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Neptune » Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 06:39

One of the games that will always be remembered in African history. Madagascar defeated Namibia to move a record 20 points from position 54 to 34 in the WR rankings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxARXRqSHUA
This was in 2012. Good game by the makis.

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Re: 2017 Africa Gold Cup

Postby Sables4EVA » Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 11:53

Neptune wrote:I initially thought Sables4EVA was just talking, but it looks so clear to me now.


It has been Zimbabwe rugbys biggest bugbear over the last 20 odd years. I was at a game in Harare at the Police Grounds when we played Namibia. They had insisted that they had their own ref for the game and at full time we were ahead 20-22. Cue 6 minutes of 'injury time' and finally a dubious penalty just in front of the posts for Namibia to win the game. The ref had to have a police escort to leave the field. The amount of times we have been done over when we have been in the lead against Namibia is phenomenal. This last game where they had a try awarded which was clearly not a try is just the tip of a long string of times the Sables have been screwed over by the Namibians and the reason that most Zim rugby fans will always go against the Namibians whenever they play.

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