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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby 4N » Mon, 11 Dec 2017, 14:50

Samoa is a small country of 115k, there's only so many genetic outliers you can have over the course of a generation.


Yet smaller American Samoa regularly produces NFL players.

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby Figaro » Mon, 11 Dec 2017, 14:59

Doesn't seem to have stopped them in the past, and Tonga's even smaller.

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 11 Dec 2017, 15:46

4N wrote:
Samoa is a small country of 115k, there's only so many genetic outliers you can have over the course of a generation.


Yet smaller American Samoa regularly produces NFL players.


That was actually a funny part of the RWC2015 statistic. There was actually one more guy born in American Samoa playing for other countries (= not the USA, two were playing for the USA).

Might be just very random, as one more guy means exactly one guy ;-), Jerome Kaino who moved to NZ at the age of 7, but still interesting.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Mon, 11 Dec 2017, 16:18

4N wrote:
Samoa is a small country of 115k, there's only so many genetic outliers you can have over the course of a generation.


Yet smaller American Samoa regularly produces NFL players.


There are more People of Samoan and American Samoan Descent in the US than there are in either locale. And probably the same with Tonga.

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby 4N » Mon, 11 Dec 2017, 16:36

Yes I know that. Local American Samoan high schools have produced like 15 NFL players in the last 10 years. I don't have the exact number but it's something like that. From a population of 55k.

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby rugby.change » Mon, 27 Aug 2018, 15:03

Titimaea Tafua has left his position as Samoan head coach with the announcement the SRU has re-advertised the role.

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby Immenso » Tue, 09 Oct 2018, 21:51

Samoa have named their squad for the November tour already:
https://www.radionz.co.nz/international ... amoa-squad

Based on some NPC (Mitre-10 Cup) TV viewing:
JJ Taulagi looks the real deal.
Melani Matavao (halfback) is a player who has genuinely come through the Samoan system and has moved to NZ to play and is now playing for Otago in the NPC this season, he's been very good.
Don Brighouse (prop) is also coming on quite well.

They have a new coach in Steve Jackson.

Problem are for them will continue to be fly-half. 1 very old, the other is still an amateur.
- Tusi Pisi, Bristol
- D'angelo Leuila, Papatoetoe

So, we might see Tim Nanai Williams playing 10 for them again.

For Samoa's sake, you'd hope Steve Jackson is talking to TJ Va'a and Josh Ioane, two NPC level 10s with Samoan ancestry.

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby Rugga » Thu, 11 Oct 2018, 21:36

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby Immenso » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 21:05

Tier 2 blog article on Samoan development in comparison to Tonga and Fiji.

http://tier2rugby.blogspot.com/2018/11/ ... rugby.html

Much more well researched ..... but pretty much what I had said a year ago earlier in this thread with this post:
posting.php?mode=quote&f=3&p=73521

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby iul » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 22:01

I was expecting an explanation as to why that is

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby linushector » Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 10:37

Duncan Paia'aua at 10 for Samoa for the RWC? Signing for Toulon apperantly

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 13:14

linushector wrote:Duncan Paia'aua at 10 for Samoa for the RWC? Signing for Toulon apperantly


Depends. Pretty sure he played for the Wallabies in a game against the BaaBaas last. But I don't know if those are counted as caps. I think they are. Which would disqualify him for Samoa. Not that he is actually from Samoa. Born in New Zealand but moved to Australia at the age of 3.

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby sk 88 » Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 18:21

Even if they awarded a cap for it that wouldn't tie him. It has to be against another tieing nation doesn't it?

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 00:11

Working Class Rugger wrote:
linushector wrote:Duncan Paia'aua at 10 for Samoa for the RWC? Signing for Toulon apperantly


Depends. Pretty sure he played for the Wallabies in a game against the BaaBaas last. But I don't know if those are counted as caps. I think they are. Which would disqualify him for Samoa. Not that he is actually from Samoa. Born in New Zealand but moved to Australia at the age of 3.


Although not a cap, it probably does tie him to them since it is an appearance for the National team...need a lawyer.

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby Blurandski » Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 01:01

I don't think that playing vs the BaaBaas would tie him, but instead he'd be tied because he 'toured' with Australia.

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Re: Samoa Rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 04:59

The Baa Baas are an invitational team, therefore he can't be captured by the Wallabies. The drama surrounding Europe earlier this year was pretty definitive, games against national teams are all that matter.

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