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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby victorsra » Sun, 02 Jul 2017, 13:40

I believe I read on Wiki that USA and Canada will be back in 2018. Is that right?
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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby grande » Sun, 02 Jul 2017, 16:27

victorsra wrote:I believe I read on Wiki that USA and Canada will be back in 2018. Is that right?


USA, Canada, and Japan were just dropped for two years due to RWC qualification.

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby NaBUru38 » Tue, 04 Jul 2017, 20:30

United States and Canada play the Americas Rugby Championship (Test teams) and Americas Pacific Challenge (A teams).

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Muzzy » Tue, 04 Jul 2017, 23:51

Yato pulls out of Fiji team wtf??? Another french based Fiji player pulls out for "personal commitments". I hope this isn't the French clubs once again paying players not to play for their countries. Particularly Fijian players. I remember the travesty of the 2011 world cup when players were bribed not to play, Josh Matavesi even admitted it. Fiji rugby was at its lowest point, they had gone down to its lowest ranking in 2012 and had to slowly rebuild again. I really hope we won't be seeing that during the 2019 world cup.

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Warpath » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 03:40

yep, those fucked Top14 clubs wielding their hammer " COME BACK TO FRANCE OR LOSE YOUR PLACE IN THE TEAM"

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby olivier » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 10:15

Warpath wrote:yep, those fucked Top14 clubs wielding their hammer " COME BACK TO FRANCE OR LOSE YOUR PLACE IN THE TEAM"

So the player must say : ok bye bye, I will get a better contract with your rival. Simple.

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Warpath » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 14:53

olivier wrote:
Warpath wrote:yep, those fucked Top14 clubs wielding their hammer " COME BACK TO FRANCE OR LOSE YOUR PLACE IN THE TEAM"

So the player must say : ok bye bye, I will get a better contract with your rival. Simple.


yeah but the T14 signing window is now closed making it harder to get a new club, case in point, Toulon signed Nalaga in 2016 but then dropped him on the same day the signing window for T14 closed preventing him from getting picked by any Top14 club, he was forced to sign for a ProD2 club, these are poor players, most send home money to feed over 20 ppl (if you understood fijian culture, you would know that once a player gets a contract overseas, he automatically becomes responsible for not only his closest family members but cousins, nephews, uncles, neighbors kids too) so french clubs know this so they can use whatever bullshit they can to keep them at the clubs, bribing works only during RWC time..

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby olivier » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 18:50

Warpath wrote:
olivier wrote:
Warpath wrote:yep, those fucked Top14 clubs wielding their hammer " COME BACK TO FRANCE OR LOSE YOUR PLACE IN THE TEAM"

So the player must say : ok bye bye, I will get a better contract with your rival. Simple.


yeah but the T14 signing window is now closed making it harder to get a new club, case in point, Toulon signed Nalaga in 2016 but then dropped him on the same day the signing window for T14 closed preventing him from getting picked by any Top14 club, he was forced to sign for a ProD2 club, these are poor players, most send home money to feed over 20 ppl (if you understood fijian culture, you would know that once a player gets a contract overseas, he automatically becomes responsible for not only his closest family members but cousins, nephews, uncles, neighbors kids too) so french clubs know this so they can use whatever bullshit they can to keep them at the clubs, bribing works only during RWC time..


Fijians need to make understand the clubs they will play for the national team before signing the contract. Yato can play anywhere in Top 14. HE RULES, not the clubs.

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Warpath » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 23:35

lol their contracts are not very forgiving...Most fijians re uneducated and can easily be fooled by greedy agents who only care about the finder's fee .. Josh Matavesi was the first player to reveal this bitter truth about french clubs forcing players to not represent their national teams and for that, he got kicked from his french club (racing metro), luckily he was young and he bounced back with a new club NOT in france, and Josh is educated, far more educated than all fijians in france so he understood what he was getting into but still did it,. the others are not, Yato didn't even finish high school before he got recruited by Clermont and he has been stuck there since..french clubs use bullying tactics to keep the players there and every player that speaks out against the clubs usually get kicked out. not just fijians, samoans and Tongans too.

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Neptune » Thu, 06 Jul 2017, 06:39

Warpath wrote:lol their contracts are not very forgiving...Most fijians re uneducated and can easily be fooled by greedy agents who only care about the finder's fee .. Josh Matavesi was the first player to reveal this bitter truth about french clubs forcing players to not represent their national teams and for that, he got kicked from his french club (racing metro), luckily he was young and he bounced back with a new club NOT in france, and Josh is educated, far more educated than all fijians in france so he understood what he was getting into but still did it,. the others are not, Yato didn't even finish high school before he got recruited by Clermont and he has been stuck there since..french clubs use bullying tactics to keep the players there and every player that speaks out against the clubs usually get kicked out. not just fijians, samoans and Tongans too.


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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Warpath » Thu, 06 Jul 2017, 09:24

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Muzzy » Thu, 06 Jul 2017, 09:47

Decent team for Fiji, considering the players available, its probably the strongest team they could name. Surprised to see Tikoirotuma start ahead of Goneva, but I can understand it. Tikoirotuma will probably be more aggressive at centre. Hopefully Fiji will dominate the scrums, Peni Ravai should make a good impact off the bench. Just hope Fiji will also do well in the lineouts. If they can do that they should win.

Tonga have been a tough team for Fiji in the past. On paper, the only edge I see Tonga having is their 9 - 10 combination. Takulua and Fosita have been playing together for a long time, both experienced and play for good clubs. Even their reserve halfback Leon Fukofuka is promising, former NZ U20 rep, played for Auckland and the Crusaders and only 22 years old. Steve Mafi was really good last week, Jack Ram added to the lineup is also a good player, was a fan of his when he played for Northland. He's actually half Fijian-Indian too.

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Warpath » Thu, 06 Jul 2017, 10:19

Nah, McKee has a hardon for 6 players and will ALWAYS play them when available, Tikoirotuma, Ma'afu, Volavola, Murimurivalu and Masilevu..Vatubua is the new player in his list.

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Muzzy » Thu, 06 Jul 2017, 12:30

hahaha Murimurivalu has been in great form though. Starting most games for La Rochelle at fullback, been playing well for Fiji too. He's really gotten good now. Talebula might have to start playing as a fly half again. Fiji have no real back up to Volavola, seems pretty unlikely that Matavesi will be back. I don't get Masilevu though.

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby ogrelord » Thu, 06 Jul 2017, 20:38

Warpath wrote:Nah, McKee has a hardon for 6 players and will ALWAYS play them when available


Tikoirotuma - is a better defender than Goneva and is playing well for London Irish. Goneva is always on the wing for Newcastle. Vulivuli is not available for this match.

Ma'afu - he's there to scrum. Ravai will come on in the second half to deal with Tameifuna.

Volavola - who is the alternative?

Murimurivalu - starting for La Rochelle and one of the form fullbacks in the Top 14. what's the problem here?

Masilevu - I'll give you this one, but he's only on the bench and covers both wings and fullback

Vatubua - Nadolo and Botia not available. who would you rather have?

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Warpath » Fri, 07 Jul 2017, 00:33

1. Tiks is one of those players who makes breaks but then has no idea what to do afterwards, he wasted so many tries for Fiji at the RWC but making breaks and then trying to do it himself instead of passing it out to the wingers and also, Goneva is 10x better in attack and defence, he can read the game, Tiks can't (remember goneva's intercept against italy)

2. Ma'afu is Fiji's most penalised prop, there is no other props in our history that has been penalised a much as him, he averages 3 penalties a game...

3. Volavola is not that good, he distributes once only in every Phase Fiji gets, he gets missing a lot in the games, the scrumhalf usually passes out to centres or even wingers than him, he is more of a fullback playing 10.

4. Murimurivalu is shit, Do you people even watch his games, he is never in position, he cost LaRochelle not only the T14 Final spot but the ERC as well, the winning tries were both through interception where the player just gradually ran to sore cause there was no fullback there to stop him, Kini plays more in the forwards than at FULLBACK, fiji needs a FULLBACK, not another winger. Nagusa cleaned up most of his messes against Australia and Italy not to mention that stupid decisin to run from his 22 on his own against Scotland in the 2nd half, Yato had to save his arse or Scotland would have scored another try

5. I like Masilevu , he has HEART, but he sometimes makes stupid decisions on attack like against Scotland when he beat like 3 defenders only to lose the ball in the tackle, which ultimately led to Scotland's try which brought them 5 points closer.

6. Vatubua is too raw, he botched the most tries for a backline player in the last 2 games, as they say (tits for hands), his one-on-one defence is good but he is usually caught out of line thus why Australia scored most of their tries as well as italy.

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Warpath » Fri, 07 Jul 2017, 11:39

will the game be shown live anywhere?

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Scorpion » Fri, 07 Jul 2017, 12:43

Warpath wrote:will the game be shown live anywhere?

may be @ WR Live stream

http://www.worldrugby.org/worldrugbytv/video

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Warpath » Fri, 07 Jul 2017, 12:53

Scorpion wrote:
Warpath wrote:will the game be shown live anywhere?

may be @ WR Live stream

http://www.worldrugby.org/worldrugbytv/video


yeah thye didn't show the samoa-tonga game live last week, only a 25 min highlight so not sure about that..

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby rugby.change » Fri, 07 Jul 2017, 23:54

No live stream according to Oceania Rugby on Twitter, however there are streams around on streaming websites, just not sure if they are live and for the game?

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Warpath » Sat, 08 Jul 2017, 01:14

the game won't be shown anywhere BUT Tonga :/

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby rugby.change » Sat, 08 Jul 2017, 01:42

Warpath wrote:the game won't be shown anywhere BUT Tonga :/


Do you mean the only place you can see it is at the Stadium, or you have to live in Tonga to see a broadcast?

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Warpath » Sat, 08 Jul 2017, 01:50

rugby.change wrote:
Warpath wrote:the game won't be shown anywhere BUT Tonga :/


Do you mean the only place you can see it is at the Stadium, or you have to live in Tonga to see a broadcast?


Stadium yes, but TongaTV is broadcasting it LIVE on TV in TONGA ONLY, they are not able to broadcast it online or via WorldRugby.. :( the game will be shown delayed later on WorldRugby website.

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Re: Pacific Nations Cup 2017

Postby Warpath » Sat, 08 Jul 2017, 02:27

3-3 17 mins gone

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