Americas Rugby

[TheStroBro Profile]

I think we had this conversation before. Every single soccer stadium in the country has either a fence or a pit surrounding the pitch.

That's intense. I don't think we had this conversation, but it reminds me of a story I was told by a former Eagle when they played down there in the late 80s. I guess if that's how it goes, that's how it goes.

[carbonero Profile]

The 80’s are far behind. Back then things could get pretty intense, especially if test sides toured the country to play the provincial unions. We gave them the full soccer treatment: people spitting at the players, maybe even pissing at them, burning flags just for fun, etc. And the matches themselves were vicious. The Argentina -France rivalry during the 80’s has some of the most violent games ever played.

Things have changed dramatically. Even with the fences, a test match is one of the safest and family-friendly environments in local sports.

[victorsra Profile Website]

Yep, that is South America roots football. You need to watch Copa Libertadores to understand why.

Lovely traditions such as toilet paper rains, policemen shielding players in the corner kick, a basic brawl in the ens of the match...

But rugby has nothing to do with it.

[NaBUru38 Profile]

I attended the Uruguay vs Argentina XV match for the 2016 Americas Rugby Championship in Punta del Este. Being summer, there were quite a few Argentine fans at the stadium.

As you would expect, fans from both sides often complained about the referee.

But when both teams got into a brawl, fans complained that they were fighting rather than playing, and there was no problem at all at the stands.

[thatrugbyguy Profile]

Is it just soccer pitches with that type of fencing?

[victorsra Profile Website]

Yes. Rugby pitches don't have it. But major events need football pitches... the fences are everywhere, Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, Peru, Colombia, Paraguay... here in Brazil just the new stadiums built for the World Cup or by big clubs that want their stadiums to receive music shows don't have anymore those horrible fences. Because the new fences are the prohibitive prices of football tickets, much higher than the average Brazilian can afford... which is sad anyway IMO.

[NaBUru38 Profile]

http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2017/1 ... -schedule/

The Canada-Uruguay match on January 27 will count for the 2018 Americas Rugby Championship, but not the Uruguay-Canada match on February 3.

All Uruguay matches will be held at the Estadio Charrúa.

[TheStroBro Profile]

Should have had a two match series outside of the ARC...but whatever.

[victorsra Profile Website]

Referees and more venues confirmed for the Americas Rugby Championship 2018: http://officiating.worldrugby.org/?page ... ents&id=61

Canada vs Brazil will be in Fullerton, California... I guess because of climate?

Brazil vs Uruguay will be at the Pacaembu Stadium in São Paulo. The other Brazilian home matches will be in São José dos Campos. I have also the information that the Brazil vs Argentina match will have a preliminary event: the 2018 Youth South Americans Womens Sevens, that is the qualy for the Youth Olympics Buenos Aites 2018. But this is yet to be confirmed.

[NaBUru38 Profile]

I don't remember having ever read about any Youth South Americans Sevens, either men's or women's.

The sevens tournament at the Summer Youth Olympics only has six teams. According to Wikipedia, Argentina automatically qualified for 2018 as hosts. In 2014, Argentina seems to have qualified because of their performance at the 2013 World Cup Sevens (?).

[victorsra Profile Website]

It will the first one.

[NaBUru38 Profile]

Referees and more venues confirmed for the Americas Rugby Championship 2018: http://officiating.worldrugby.org/?page ... ents&id=61

There it says that Uruguay-Argentina will play on February 17 at Punta del Este. It's on Carnaval weekend, so I guess plenty of Argentines will attend. Nice!

[victorsra Profile Website]

About the Youth Olympics, Argentina is only qualified for the mens tournaments. They will have to play for qualification for womens.

[argie Profile]

Pichot confirms an annual ARC "B" that will begin in August 2018.
http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2017/1 ... -b-august/

Is it just soccer pitches with that type of fencing?

And these type of moats too.

[victorsra Profile Website]

Argentina XV team for the 2018 ARC. Felipe Contepomi is the coach:

Forwards: Gaspar Baldunciel (Alumni), Diego Fortuny (Universitario de Salta), Axel Zapata (SITAS), Franco Brarda (Tala), Javier Diaz (Natación y Gimnasia), Francisco Ferronato (Belgrano), Benjamin Espinal (Belgrano), Lucas Favre (Lomas), Nicolás Leiva (Hindú), Santiago Medrano (Regatas Bella Vista), Juan Pablo Zeiss (Matreros), Diego Galetto (Urú Curé), Ignacio Larrague (CASI), Franco Molina (Jockey Club de Córdoba), Jerónimo Ureta (Newman), Lautaro Bavaro (Hindú), Rodrigo Bruni (San Luis), Tomás de la Vega (CUBA), Francisco Gorrissen (Belgrano), Santiago Montagner (Alumni), Santiago Portillo (Los Tarcos), Mariano Romanini (Alumni), Nicolás Sbrocco (Universitário de Tucumán);


Backs Gregorio Del Prete (San Luis), Luca Magnasco (Alumni), Facundo Nogueira (Marabunta), Martín Elias (Atlético del Rosario), Juan Cruz Gónzalez (CUBA), Tomás Granella (Liceo), Juan Cappiello (Pucará), Juan Cruz Mallía (Jockey Club de Córdoba), Lucas Mensa (Pucará), Santiago Resino (Universitário de Tucumán), Tomás Videla (Liceo), Rodrigo Etchart (SIC), Tomás Malanos (Atlético del Rosario), Julián Domínguez (Pucará), Germán Schulz (Tala), Gastón Arias (SIC), Bautista Delguy (Pucará);

[NaBUru38 Profile]

Of the 40 Argentina XV players, 27 play in URBA clubs.

[victorsra Profile Website]

There is a strong possibility that for 2019 or 2020 the Americas Rugby Championship will be moved to August/September.

I posted in the South American thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=99&start=1250

[Tobar Profile]

I feel like this thread makes more sense to comment in than the USA or maybe even SA thread, get a bit more traction going.

[TheStroBro Profile]

There is a strong possibility that for 2019 or 2020 the Americas Rugby Championship will be moved to August/September.

I posted in the South American thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=99&start=1250

And you'd get the USA Selects for that one.

[victorsra Profile Website]

What I heard is that with MLR nd the SAL the focus will be that Americas' teams will focus on local leagues' players.

[TheStroBro Profile]

Commercially it makes little sense. Air Time would be non-existent here and getting stadiums would close to impossible if we wanted something of decent size during that period.

We have three levels of Football that attract fans: High School, College, NFL. Also during the period is when Baseball gets most contentious. Commercially it would be a failure...the gap is where we are.

[victorsra Profile Website]

https://www.worldrugby.org/news/329809

World Rugby appointed US's Dan Payne as the new "Rugby Americas" CEO.

I really would like to understand better the "new" (not new, but reborn) organization works. It looks like it responds directly to World Rugby. But what about Sudamérica Rugby and Rugby Americas North, which sort of power they have over Rugby Americas? And what about the National Unions? Will they elect a council, a president? All obscure. They release a statement to look professional, but I never saw anything explaining (being transparent) abot what in fact is the Rugby Americas!

[Thomas Profile Website]

What caught my eye was this paragraph:

World Rugby Chief Executive Officer Brett Gosper added: “Dan will enable us to further strengthen our strategic activities in partnership with Rugby Americas North and Sudamérica Rugby to assist our unions in growing and sustaining a thriving game for all across the Americas.”

Does this mean he is new Boss over the continent? What will Argentina say about that ?

Didn't see that coming... or this just a golden parachute? the cynic in me thinks...

[victorsra Profile Website]

Yeah, is World Rugby rulling directly over Sudamérica Rugby and Rugby Americas North? Well, if WR appointed him he is a WR employee....

I don't think this is bad. It can be really good. I just want to understand which sort of power the local Unions have over this organization. It must be democratic, not a WR-only-rule.

[TheStroBro Profile]

https://www.worldrugby.org/news/329809

World Rugby appointed US's Dan Payne as the new "Rugby Americas" CEO.

I really would like to understand better the "new" (not new, but reborn) organization works. It looks like it responds directly to World Rugby. But what about Sudamérica Rugby and Rugby Americas North, which sort of power they have over Rugby Americas? And what about the National Unions? Will they elect a council, a president? All obscure. They release a statement to look professional, but I never saw anything explaining (being transparent) abot what in fact is the Rugby Americas!

Rugby Americas as an organization is pretty new. There isn't a lot out there. If you wanted to quantify how many people there are, the Americas Regional manager Tom Jones who sits on the RAN board was the primary player for a long time. Pichot became the chairman of the organization when it launched.

Since Dan is being appointed CEO, rather than four people, I'm sure we will see the organization's size and role expand very quickly.

It's clear that WR IDd talent they wanted to keep in the fold and created a position for someone that was definitely leaving the game due to the environment that their governing board created...