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2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby RugInt » Sat, 01 Jul 2017, 10:51

Venue: Casablanca-Stade du C.O.C
Teams: Morocco (Host), Ivory Coast, Madagascar, Botswana
As I understand proceedings the winner will progress to 2018 Africa Gold Cup which will be WCQ Africa Round 2. All other teams will be eliminated from the 2019 Rugby World Cup. 4th placed team relegated to Africa Bronze Cup 2018.

Schedule

05.07.2017
Ivory Coast v Botswana
Morocco v Madagascar

08.07.2017
Winner Iv.C/Bots v Winner Mor/Mad (Final)
Loser Iv.C v Loser Mor/Mad (Playoff 3rd-4th-Relegation)


Squads
Madagascar
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialMalagasyRugby/photos/a.564658533587389.1073741828.564090513644191/1422480971138470/?type=3&theater
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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby dwpeate » Sat, 01 Jul 2017, 11:05

It still bugs me slightly that this is the only non-round robin tournament in Africa for international teams this season, so high up the ladder...

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Sat, 01 Jul 2017, 11:14

Côte d’Ivoire squad ( http://ami-sportif.ci/autres-sports/rug ... 5-joueurs/ )

GORI JEAN PHILIPPE KEVIN (A.ATURIN)
OULAI DION EVRARD (BAYONNE)
N'DA ARTHUR ROMEO N'GORAN (EPERNAY)
LOHOURY PAUL REGIS (HOUILLES)
LOHORE YANN-EAUTHYS JOSE-MARY (CHAMBERY)
KOSSE ORE DOV (NICE)
AKA STEPHANE DAVID (RIEUMES)
DOSSO YOUSSOUF (ORTHEZ)
POUPEAU QUENTIN GERARD YVES (ST MEDARD)
DIALLO DIT PERES PAUL (NANTES)
DOUMBIA IDRISSA (RCC)
LO JONATHAN (EPERNAY)
KOSSE EZER (LORMONT)
TOURE SALIF (EPERNAY)
FLOCH ERIC ABO JOSEPH
ZIE JAMES (CHARTRES)
KONATE IBRAHIMA (TREICHVILLE BIAFRA OLYMPIQUE)
GBAPO BEHI KESSIE JEAN EMMANUEL (RC YOPOUGON)
YASSI BOLLY JUNIOR WILLIAM (RC YOPOUGON)
KOHON DOUHO GNONSIO FIRMIN (RC YOPOUGON)
ANZIAN KASSI KOUAME TOUSSAINT (TREICHVILLE BIAFRA OLYMPIQUE )
DIABATE BRAHIMA AHMED (OLYMPIQUE RUGBY CLUB DE KOUMASSI)
BOLLOU BRICE PAUL ARNAUD (TA RC)
SAHIN NESMON CHRISTIAN EMMANUEL (RC YOPOUGON )
ZAMBLE CHARLES LEBON (RC YOPOUGON)

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Mon, 03 Jul 2017, 07:50

Madagascar squad - http://www.midi-madagasikara.mg/sports/ ... les-makis/

Coach : NoeMboazafy dit Razily.

Joueurs

Haja Randrianambinina.
Tahiana Ratsimandresy.
Iandry Randrianomanana.
Rantoniaina Randrianomanana.
Tolotra Ramaromiantso.
Soloniaina Razafindratsimba.
Nohavitiana Randrianjatovo.
Tinella Rabemananjara.
Jean Fabrice Ramangalahy.
François Mbolaharison
Tahina Randrianarisoa
Tanjona Randriamanantena
Hery Rakotomanalina
José Rakoto Harison
Hery Ralaimidona
Soloniaina Rasoanaivao
Tsilavoniaina Ramangalahy.
Tongasoa Rakotobe.
Andoniaina Rafararano.
Lanto Rakotoarisoa.
Saidy Solonirina.
Zhino Hery.
Mohamed Rakotoarimanana.
Sylvain Rakotonirina.
Yorhann Ramonjiarivony (Aurillac, FR).

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby SANE17 » Mon, 03 Jul 2017, 08:35

Ser Podrick of Payne wrote:Madagascar squad - http://www.midi-madagasikara.mg/sports/ ... les-makis/

Coach : NoeMboazafy dit Razily.

Joueurs

Haja Randrianambinina.
Tahiana Ratsimandresy.
Iandry Randrianomanana.
Rantoniaina Randrianomanana.
Tolotra Ramaromiantso.
Soloniaina Razafindratsimba.
Nohavitiana Randrianjatovo.
Tinella Rabemananjara.
Jean Fabrice Ramangalahy.
François Mbolaharison
Tahina Randrianarisoa
Tanjona Randriamanantena
Hery Rakotomanalina
José Rakoto Harison
Hery Ralaimidona
Soloniaina Rasoanaivao
Tsilavoniaina Ramangalahy.
Tongasoa Rakotobe.
Andoniaina Rafararano.
Lanto Rakotoarisoa.
Saidy Solonirina.
Zhino Hery.
Mohamed Rakotoarimanana.
Sylvain Rakotonirina.
Yorhann Ramonjiarivony (Aurillac, FR).


I like Madagasy second names. They're quite mouthful & unique. :D

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 03 Jul 2017, 08:37

SANE17 wrote:
I like Madagasy second names. They're quite mouthful & unique. :D


Me too. I wonder if all the guys without a R as their starting letter in the sirname were bullied in school for it :lol:
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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby ugrugbychiclet » Mon, 03 Jul 2017, 09:47

RugbyLiebe wrote:
SANE17 wrote:
I like Madagasy second names. They're quite mouthful & unique. :D


Me too. I wonder if all the guys without a R as their starting letter in the sirname were bullied in school for it :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: This is really funny. Thanks for brightening my Monday morning. :)

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Mon, 03 Jul 2017, 10:32

^ :D

Here is a little info:

Irene Rabinur, professor of socio-linguistics at the University of Tana says the reason why names are so long is because each part has meaning and traditionally there used to be only one name - no separate first name and family names - although European influences in towns are now changing this.

Tana = Antananarivo as even they like to shorten things!

last names are basically concatenations of each parents name. that's why they get really really long.

The 'Ra-' in front means 'blood', as in 'blood of + ancestors'. Names are one way of tracing lineage.


So we could say that Ra- is a bit like the Scottish Mc/Mac or the Irish Ó

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby iul » Mon, 03 Jul 2017, 11:02

So, their Scottish equivalent would be Mcjackemily or something like that?

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 03 Jul 2017, 11:16

Ser Podrick of Payne wrote:^ :D

Here is a little info:

Irene Rabinur, professor of socio-linguistics at the University of Tana says the reason why names are so long is because each part has meaning and traditionally there used to be only one name - no separate first name and family names - although European influences in towns are now changing this.

Tana = Antananarivo as even they like to shorten things!

last names are basically concatenations of each parents name. that's why they get really really long.

The 'Ra-' in front means 'blood', as in 'blood of + ancestors'. Names are one way of tracing lineage.




So we could say that Ra- is a bit like the Scottish Mc/Mac or the Irish Ó


Congrats to Ndrian and Koto for fathering half of the national team. They must be really proud of their boys :D
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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Mon, 03 Jul 2017, 11:53

Well I found another article that says the Ra- = blood of is nonsense!

On the subjects of name, 99 percent of native names have a known sense and most surnames, and least in the highlands, begin with either Andria-, "lord", or Ra-, which is a generic prefix for calling people. For example Andrianampoinimerina, the founder of the Merina kingdom means "the lord that lives in the heart of Imerina (the historic name of the kingdom)" and Rabetafika means "He who has a lot of military". Sometimes surnames tell the story of family, and sometimes they're just made up to sound good because historically we don't have a concept of an hereditary name like the Chinese or the Westerners. That system was introduced by the French. By the way some old folks still have a single name all in all. Under the law, the father's name is not automatically passed onto his children. The later can bear their mother's name, the name of another relative, or be given a whole new surname. So being named Andriana* is no longer a mark of noble ancestry.



Anyway, info from Morocco is still somewhat scarce, with the main issue being the continued maladministration of the FRMR, some players apparently refusing call-ups and if I have it right the FRMR are not considering players from the diaspora in France? There is also a call for an audit of the FRMR and replacement of the current officials who are seen as incompetent or even corrupt. Even a couple of days ago the national team captain Abdelatif Boutaty still didn't know if he was even selected!


Here are the kick-off times (probably GMT)
05.07.2017
16.00 Ivory Coast v Botswana
17.30 Morocco v Madagascar

08.07.2017
15.30 Winner Iv.C/Bots v Winner Mor/Mad (Final)
17.30 Loser Iv.C v Loser Mor/Mad (Playoff 3rd-4th-Relegation)

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby olivier » Mon, 03 Jul 2017, 14:16

New mess in Morocco. Nearly all French players won't play the Silver Cup... Open the way for Ivory Coast.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 4339453142

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby olivier » Mon, 03 Jul 2017, 14:20

Ser Podrick of Payne wrote:Well I found another article that says the Ra- = blood of is nonsense!

On the subjects of name, 99 percent of native names have a known sense and most surnames, and least in the highlands, begin with either Andria-, "lord", or Ra-, which is a generic prefix for calling people. For example Andrianampoinimerina, the founder of the Merina kingdom means "the lord that lives in the heart of Imerina (the historic name of the kingdom)" and Rabetafika means "He who has a lot of military". Sometimes surnames tell the story of family, and sometimes they're just made up to sound good because historically we don't have a concept of an hereditary name like the Chinese or the Westerners. That system was introduced by the French. By the way some old folks still have a single name all in all. Under the law, the father's name is not automatically passed onto his children. The later can bear their mother's name, the name of another relative, or be given a whole new surname. So being named Andriana* is no longer a mark of noble ancestry.



Anyway, info from Morocco is still somewhat scarce, with the main issue being the continued maladministration of the FRMR, some players apparently refusing call-ups and if I have it right the FRMR are not considering players from the diaspora in France? There is also a call for an audit of the FRMR and replacement of the current officials who are seen as incompetent or even corrupt. Even a couple of days ago the national team captain Abdelatif Boutaty still didn't know if he was even selected!


Here are the kick-off times (probably GMT)
05.07.2017
16.00 Ivory Coast v Botswana
17.30 Morocco v Madagascar

08.07.2017
15.30 Winner Iv.C/Bots v Winner Mor/Mad (Final)
17.30 Loser Iv.C v Loser Mor/Mad (Playoff 3rd-4th-Relegation)

I Missed your post. Morocco is wasting another opportunity to see RWC...

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby RugInt » Tue, 04 Jul 2017, 03:37

Haja Randrianambinina.
Tahiana Ratsimandresy.
Iandry Randrianomanana.
Rantoniaina Randrianomanana. age 36
Tolotra Ramaromiantso. age 36
Soloniaina Razafindratsimba.
Nohavitiana Randrianjatovo.
Tinella Rabemananjara.
Jean Fabrice Ramangalahy.
François Mbolaharison
Tahina Randrianarisoa age 35
Tanjona Randriamanantena
Hery Rakotomanalina
José Rakoto Harison age 36
Hery Ralaimidona
Soloniaina Rasoanaivao
Tsilavoniaina Ramangalahy.
Tongasoa Rakotobe.
Andoniaina Rafararano.
Lanto Rakotoarisoa. age 35
Saidy Solonirina.
Zhino Hery.
Mohamed Rakotoarimanana.
Sylvain Rakotonirina.
Yorhann Ramonjiarivony (Aurillac, FR
).

Just checked the ages as per my link (as I have nothing else to do in my life :roll: ) and you can see a number of older fellows in this squad. I mentioned on another thread last year that Madagascar has lost considerable form over the last two years and that an ageing squad could well be the problem. By other ages there is new blood but having a number of players 35yo or 36yo may still be the problem. Madagascar rugby just has not progressed.

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby dwpeate » Tue, 04 Jul 2017, 20:24

Don't suppose any of this will be streamed?

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 11:49

The games are shown live today on Moroccan TV station Arryadia

There is a video stream at http://arryadia.snrt.ma/ but I don't know if this is live streaming or just a recording of something...

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby olivier » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 14:57

http://www.lerugbynistere.fr/news/echos ... 171246.php
Few articles on Facebook were not so true. Morocco will finally line-up an all but French squad. They will win the competition easily.

Morocco depth is simply amazing.

New players from last year edition :
Reda Benazzi (Casteljaloux)
Yann Rousseau (ex-Colomiers)*
Yacine Maamri (Béziers)
Ismail Nassik (Valence d'Agen)*
Rabie Miri*
Mohammed Loukia (Provence Rugby)
Mehdi Ahouache (Agen)*
Mouhcine Ouali (Bergerac)
Soufiane Said (Provence Rugby)
Mehdi Benyachou (Uzes)*
Rami Laadila (Nice)*
Salim Boukanoucha (Gex)
Mohammed Lahlali (Castelsarrasin)*
Jérémy Braille (Nantes)
Amin Boukanoucha (Oyonnax)
Chakkir Hmiddouche (Uzès)*
Yacine Moussaid (Casteljaloux)
Youness Hou
Chouib Anouf
Omar El Hajjaji
Mohammed Amri
Abdelrahman El Jaidi
Haitem Roundi
Hicham Es Saki

*Players from Mahgreb Tri Nations

Confirmed players from last year edition :
Mourad Akkaoui (Nice)
Abdelali Boujouala (Dunkerque)
Hocine Arabat (Bobigny, c)
Fahd Rguibi Idrissi (Oyonnax espoirs)
Mourad Jadiri (Tricastin)
Soheyl Jouadat (Clermont espoirs)
Bryan Brichet (Gennevilliers)
Abdelmajid Mimi (?)
El Fath Riad (Casablanca)

Omitted players from last year edition :
Redouane Boussetta (Nice)
Mehi Boundjema (Pau)
Mohamed Loukrassi (Gennevilliers)
Abdelatif Boutaty (Pau)
Benjamin Braille (Chateaurenard)
Said Akarmoudi (Bobigny)
Adil Achahbar (Macon)
Nabil Jelti (Gennevilliers)
Abdelkafi Abachri (Castelnaudary)
Guillaume Potelle (Lille)
Achraf Boutati (Boucau-Tarnos)
Guedouri Jaouad (Massy)
Mouhcine Ouajdi (EAB XV)
Karim Hamdan (Gennevilliers)

Omitted players from Maghreb Tri Nations :
Ilias Cherkaoui (Saint Médard)
Sabir Ouhdif (Rennes)
Hamed Moussaoui (Castelnaudary)
Mohamed Chaouch (Langon)
Fred Gendre (Perpignan)
Karim Kadiri (Stade Français)
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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 15:38

Ser Podrick of Payne wrote:The games are shown live today on Moroccan TV station Arryadia

There is a video stream at http://arryadia.snrt.ma/ but I don't know if this is live streaming or just a recording of something...

Live streaming works. Ivory Coast is demolishing Botswana.

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 16:08

Armchair Fan wrote:
Ser Podrick of Payne wrote:The games are shown live today on Moroccan TV station Arryadia

There is a video stream at http://arryadia.snrt.ma/ but I don't know if this is live streaming or just a recording of something...

Live streaming works. Ivory Coast is demolishing Botswana.

Indeed, 39 - 6 at halftime and 51 - 6 after 53 minutes.

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby olivier » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 16:22

Morocco squad edited. Takes me a lot of time...

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 16:46

olivier wrote:Morocco squad edited. Takes me a lot of time...

Good job!

Final score was Botswana 25 - 58 Côte d’Ivoire

A late rally by Botswana to make it a bit more respectable.

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby sammo » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 16:50

Ser Podrick of Payne wrote:
olivier wrote:Morocco squad edited. Takes me a lot of time...

Good job!

Final score was Botswana 25 - 58 Côte d’Ivoire

A late rally by Botswana to make it a bit more respectable.


19:19 in the second half, a sure improvement from Botswana, but Cote D'Ivoire definitely took their foot off the accelerator a bit

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 17:04

Very nearly a try for Morocco around the 30 secs played mark but for a knock-on, it was a brilliant move more like we'd expect from les Makis!

Both teams running it all over the place, but Morocco look more powerful and opened the scoring on the 5 minute mark with a try.

And Madagascar score one of their own - this could be a very entertaining game :)

And another for Madagascar quickly afterwards!

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby olivier » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 17:46

Crazy game of Madagascar again. Morocco is awful in defense.

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Re: 2017 Africa Silver Cup WCQ Africa Round 1

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Wed, 05 Jul 2017, 17:48

Halftime: Morocco 29 - 26 Madagascar

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