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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby victorsra » Thu, 03 Aug 2017, 10:00

Groups confirmed: http://epcrugby.com/europeanrugbychalle ... shield.php

A: Rovigo, Viadana, Heidelberg RK and Timisoara Saracens
B: Calviano, Petrarca, Batumi and CDUL

What happened to the Spanish clubs?
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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Thu, 03 Aug 2017, 10:15

Thanks for digging it out, Victorsra

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby suofficer » Thu, 03 Aug 2017, 10:33

I'd assume its just a monetary issue for Spanish clubs. Maybe they need to take a few years out.

The italians on the other hand seem fairly flush.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Horsehead » Thu, 03 Aug 2017, 10:49

The eight participating clubs will compete in two pools with each club in Pool A playing once against each club in Pool B.

So it is the same shit format as before rather than the round robin format we were hoping for.

If teams only want to play 4 games, 2 home, 2 away then why don't they have two pools of 5 teams so they can actually play teams in their pool and we get the best team in each pool being the pool winner. I bet the 3rd place Russian and 2nd placed Romanian teams would have been happy to be included

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Thu, 03 Aug 2017, 10:55

Horsehead wrote:...

You beat me by 6 minutes ... in referring to exactly same SHIT system

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Horsehead » Thu, 03 Aug 2017, 11:04

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:
Horsehead wrote:...

You beat me by 6 minutes ... in referring to exactly same SHIT system


great minds......

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby victorsra » Thu, 03 Aug 2017, 12:21

If they need to limit the number of matches to 4 the ideal is to have 2 groups of 5 or 4 groups of 3. The best is 4 groups of 3 because you have home and away, geographicaly distributed with always 1 Italian in each group + 2 "neighbours", like Spain/Portugal, Germany/Belgium, 2 Romanians and 2 Georgians.
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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby GeoRugby » Thu, 03 Aug 2017, 13:03

Great to see Georgian club finally participating in qualifying competition.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Horsehead » Thu, 03 Aug 2017, 13:08

victorsra wrote:If they need to limit the number of matches to 4 the ideal is to have 2 groups of 5 or 4 groups of 3. The best is 4 groups of 3 because you have home and away, geographicaly distributed with always 1 Italian in each group + 2 "neighbours", like Spain/Portugal, Germany/Belgium, 2 Romanians and 2 Georgians.


I've never liked groups of 3, much prefer groups of 5

GeoRugby wrote:Great to see Georgian club finally participating in qualifying competition.


isn't it! How do you think they will get on?

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby GeoRugby » Thu, 03 Aug 2017, 13:28

Horsehead wrote:
victorsra wrote:If they need to limit the number of matches to 4 the ideal is to have 2 groups of 5 or 4 groups of 3. The best is 4 groups of 3 because you have home and away, geographicaly distributed with always 1 Italian in each group + 2 "neighbours", like Spain/Portugal, Germany/Belgium, 2 Romanians and 2 Georgians.


I've never liked groups of 3, much prefer groups of 5

GeoRugby wrote:Great to see Georgian club finally participating in qualifying competition.


isn't it! How do you think they will get on?

To be honest, it is hard to say how Batumi will get on. It is an unknown territory for a Georgian club. Few years back, Caucasians (franchise that only existed for about a month) played decently against Rovigo losing 18-22 and 21-24 in the first European experience, scoring some beautiful tries and making a lot of mistakes due to inexperience at this level. Those are the only results we can go by at this point. Regardless of the results, it is a big step forward for Georgian rugby.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 03 Aug 2017, 14:05

victorsra wrote:What happened to the Spanish clubs?

suofficer wrote:I'd assume its just a monetary issue for Spanish clubs. Maybe they need to take a few years out.

The italians on the other hand seem fairly flush.

You've got the answer on the previous page. Cheap excuses. It's not even a question of plain money. They know they don't have a shot at Challenge Cup and Continental Shield teams don't generate big ticketing revenues, so they prefer to invest in other areas.

VRAC Quesos Entrepinares has hired a few very good players this summer and Mario Barandiaran (part of Pumas 2007 RWC staff) as its a General Manager, so they definitely have the money. They simply don't want to play four more games this season and see their league and cup titles chances reduced because of fatigue.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby rey200 » Tue, 08 Aug 2017, 11:18

Even with a Final in Bilbao at stake? Haha.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby sandro » Thu, 10 Aug 2017, 12:38

Are the fixture dates allready set ?

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Wed, 16 Aug 2017, 05:30

LOOK at this UPDATED version

http://www.epcrugby.com/europeanrugbych ... shield.php

EPCR has SIGNIFICANTLY shifted GOAL POSTS, none LESS :!:

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Wed, 16 Aug 2017, 06:04

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:LOOK at this UPDATED version

http://www.epcrugby.com/europeanrugbych ... shield.php

EPCR has SIGNIFICANTLY shifted GOAL POSTS, none LESS :!:

What do you mean with 'shifted goal posts', Flidta?
Are you talking about these two lines?

"Following the pool stage matches, the winner of Pool A will play the runner-up in Pool B, and the winner of Pool B will play the runner-up in Pool A on a home and away basis"

Are they new? I don't remember these 'semifinals' in the previous version of the tournament.
The feeling is also that this updated version presents a classic format: every team plays against the teams of its pool. To say the truth the EPCR communicate doesn't explain it explicitly but doesn't mention neither the opposite format; and to play semifinals winner A v runner-up B, winner B v runner-up A would be redundant if those team already have played each other in the pool phase.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Wed, 16 Aug 2017, 06:59

Ensuring that Krasny Yar and Enisei must play each other in one semi final seems to be a new addition. This means only one of them can qualify for the Challenge Cup.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 16 Aug 2017, 07:15

Canalina wrote:"Following the pool stage matches, the winner of Pool A will play the runner-up in Pool B, and the winner of Pool B will play the runner-up in Pool A on a home and away basis"

Are they new? I don't remember these 'semifinals' in the previous version of the tournament.
The feeling is also that this updated version presents a classic format: every team plays against the teams of its pool. To say the truth the EPCR communicate doesn't explain it explicitly but doesn't mention neither the opposite format; and to play semifinals winner A v runner-up B, winner B v runner-up A would be redundant if those team already have played each other in the pool phase.


Second that. Would make absolutely no sense to play a team, you already encountered, again in the semi-finals. Hopefully they get rid of this bulls*** old table system.
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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby STMKY » Wed, 16 Aug 2017, 08:15

Bruce_ma_goose wrote:Ensuring that Krasny Yar and Enisei must play each other in one semi final seems to be a new addition. This means only one of them can qualify for the Challenge Cup.


This is contrary to logic. In any case, there will be 2 best teams from the Continental Shield who must play against 2 teams from the Challenge Cup.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 16 Aug 2017, 08:25

Well, in a competition created to give the FIR the chance to have two more Italian teams in Challenge Cup the situation where two Russian teams took the benefits of it couldn't last too much... Sigh.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby STMKY » Wed, 16 Aug 2017, 08:35

Then this is a clear violation of the sports principle.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Vova12 » Wed, 16 Aug 2017, 08:57

STMKY wrote:Then this is a clear violation of the sports principle.

Does that surprise you ? I already used to such tricks.
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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby STMKY » Wed, 16 Aug 2017, 09:04

Vova12 wrote:
STMKY wrote:Then this is a clear violation of the sports principle.

Does that surprise you ? I already used to such tricks.

Until now, rugby seemed clean in this regard.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Vova12 » Wed, 16 Aug 2017, 09:13

STMKY wrote:
Vova12 wrote:
STMKY wrote:Then this is a clear violation of the sports principle.

Does that surprise you ? I already used to such tricks.

Until now, rugby seemed clean in this regard.

Football is much more fair unfortunately.
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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Wed, 16 Aug 2017, 09:46

"The Continental Shield, which was won by Enisei-STM in Edinburgh last season, is organised by EPCR in conjunction with Rugby Europe and the Italian Rugby Federation (FIR)"

Thanks to this competition, pushed on by italian federation in the past years and semi-ignored by the other federations, this autumn Russia will have two teams in Challenge Cup. Please stop yelling at conspiracy for every thing on the earth.
Maybe the decision to have the two current Challenge Cup teams matching each other in semifinal has been taken to have a change every year; if, hypothetically, Enisei and Krasny Yar were by far the best clubs in Europe-outside-5N they could keep qualifying for the Challenge Cup every year for the next two decades and over. Eliminating one of them in semifinal is against the meritocracy but creates more surprise; it's a choice, I don't know if it's the best choice but it must not be necessarily a coward choice

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Vova12 » Wed, 16 Aug 2017, 09:55

Swap places with Georgia in 6N this will give your words more weight.
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