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2017-18 Continental Shield

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby amz » Mon, 11 Jun 2018, 12:32

To my understanding Agro Direito was the semi between 2-3 placed teams so Belenenses was 1st anyway even before the final, right? I though it is the better club.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby suofficer » Mon, 11 Jun 2018, 12:39

amz wrote:To my understanding Agro Direito was the semi between 2-3 placed teams so Belenenses was 1st anyway even before the final, right? I though it is the better club.


No Belenenses beat Cascais in the other semi. Cascais with several currie cup south africans. The violence between Direito and Agro meant they were kicked out the league and Belenenses awarded the title by default.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 11 Jun 2018, 12:40

First we should know who is receiving invites from EPCR... Unless the competition is expanding, there are only four invitations outside Italy.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Bogdan_DC » Mon, 11 Jun 2018, 13:30

Timisoara participation is a surprise for me, a very pleasant one.

Still the elimination of HRK is an idiotic thing for European rugby. Rugby fans are wondering for ages how it will be if countries like Spain or Germany will be rugby countries. When a slim chance appears they throw it away like nothing...

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby STMKY » Mon, 11 Jun 2018, 16:50

What about VVA and Kuban in Shield?

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Mon, 11 Jun 2018, 17:48

A bad blow would be a renounce by HRK. If the rules don't change or if that interests conflict is not somehow resolved, it will be almost pointless for them to participate

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby efti » Mon, 11 Jun 2018, 19:01

I’m a Timișoara suporter but furios over the HRK disqualification. They earned the participation. It is, like most things in rugby when the home nations are not involved, just unfair. It is this behavior towards small (rugby) nations that hinders the development of rugby worldwide.
The problem is, neither Timișoara refusing challange cup participation, nor HRK refusing further continental shield participation, would change anything for the rich boys. I love this sport, I played for almost 20 years but sometimes I’m ashamed about the “rugby way”.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby victorsra » Wed, 20 Jun 2018, 13:54

https://epcrugby.com/ has finally a proper section for the Continental Shield
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby YamahaKiwi » Fri, 22 Jun 2018, 12:31

Blurandski wrote:
Zhenya_Zima wrote:
Joke of commentator wrote:"That's played by (pause) the Russian number 7 (who isn't Russian) (pause) that's (pause) the flanker... (pause) name only vaguely resembling some other player on the pitch"


I thought it would forever be impossible for me to want to shut a commentator's head in a car door forever more than Carlton Kirby. Who is this clown?

myth wrote:
olivier wrote:Another totally incompetent referee unable to know when there's a penalty try on a scrum...
They should have assigned a professional referee, Ben Whitehouse or Nigel Owens from Wales would have been a good choice.


It IS Ben Whitehouse.


The same Ben Whitehouse who got relentlessly mocked earlier on in the year when commentators left their mics on when it was half time? Among other select phrases 'Whitehouse? More like Ben fucking Shitehouse' was uttered.


Have to say I wasn't that impressed by his display watching CAN v RUS. Missed a couple of absolute sitters in terms of errors. I just couldn't believe it.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 03 Jul 2018, 14:21

SilverStorm El Salvador finally declines to take part in next Continental Shield:
https://www.revista22.es/2018/07/hemos- ... en-europa/

I can go back to my furious mode towards Valladolid clubs :evil:

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Bogdan_DC » Tue, 03 Jul 2018, 15:05

They fed up even neutral people with their b......t. Just annoying.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby suofficer » Tue, 03 Jul 2018, 15:19

do you have a full list of the participants?

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby STMKY » Tue, 03 Jul 2018, 18:16

VVA or Kuban can replay Spanish team

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 11:34

Italian Federation has indirectly confirmed the presence of the four national top teams in the next edition of the Shield

Petrarca Padova (national champion)
Patarò Calvisano
Femi-CZ Rovigo
Fiamme Oro Roma

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Tobar » Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 23:43

I posted this elsewhere but I'm curious to know: how beneficial is the Continental Shield? I don't expect that it has much of a money earning benefit to the teams, surely it costs more in travel than it makes in revenue. Playing against top competition and the ability to play in the Challenge Cup is surely great as well. But I feel like there are certain situations where it would be better served staying at home and using that money to build up the sport domestically. I believe VRAC didn't want to join for this reason.

I think it's great to essentially build a 3rd tier of European rugby but I wonder if the growth is stagnant and it doesn't help the teams as much as it could. I may be wrong - I only follow it through here, but I'd like to know your guys' thoughts.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Blurandski » Sun, 22 Jul 2018, 00:30

Personally I’d like it if they expanded the Champions back to 24 (8Pro, 8T14, 7Prem, 1 Prev. Challenge winner), then re-jigged the qualification for Challenge while expanding to 24. 6 Pro, 6T14, 4 Prem (assuming Prem takes 20th place). Then award the 8 T2 places in a similarly dynamic way to the Europa League.

Best league: 2 Places in Challenge, 2 in CS
2nd: 2 in Challenge, 1 in CS
3rd: 1 Challenge, 2 CS
4th: 1 Challenge, 1 CS
5th: 1 Challenge, 1 CS
6th: 1 Challenge PO (loser to CS), 1 CS
7th 1 Challenge PO (loser to CS).

The CS would then be a 3 pools of 3 competition, with the top 4 going through to semis.

European club rugby really needs a clear and open structure for clubs to work their way up into the Challenge Cup, which is infinitely more marketable than the Continental Shield. This way as well, if clubs from new countries want to join the structure RE can implement playoffs and the like to get into the CS (or expand it) so that every league gets a ranking.

Does anyone have any data for CS attendance vs regular league games, because in theory it should be easier to market if the clubs put to effort in.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby STMKY » Sun, 22 Jul 2018, 08:35

I do not understand why other clubs refuse. In Russia, on the contrary, the Continental Shield is a very respected tournament. Our clubs want to play there, but they are not invited. In addition to the Krasny Yar, VVA and Kuban want to participate there.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 22 Jul 2018, 09:20

The budget of your clubs if bigger. The depth of your professional squads is larger. Your national competitions have less games (in Spain VRAC is probably going to play next season 28 games in 9 months, playing CS would mean to play games during international windows and Christmas). Local fans don't know where the hell Krasny Yar is from but identify well Burgos.

I hate the reasoning, but it's not that hard to understand.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Sun, 22 Jul 2018, 10:10

In Italy the four teams playing in the Shield don't play in the national cup. This means that all the teams of Eccellenza (but the new name of the italian championship is, since yesterday, "Top 12") will play the same amount of matches, play-off excluded: 22 games in Top12 regular season + six games in Continental Shield/Coppa Italia regular season.

Maybe in Spain you should do the same, even if I know that the Copa del Rey is much more aspired by clubs and fans than our Coppa Italia

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby STMKY » Sun, 22 Jul 2018, 10:40

In Russia, on the contrary. Local teams are already well known, do not cause much interest. But the arrival of foreign teams is always interesting. This opportunity will receive good experience at the international level. Therefore, all our clubs want to play in the Challenge Cup and in the Continental Shield. But so far only Enisei-STM and Krasny Yar have been invited. Although the VVA and the Kuban team is a good level for Cont Shield.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Thu, 02 Aug 2018, 07:06

Another portion of RUBBISH
https://www.epcrugby.com/continental-sh ... ol-layout/

Yes, probably they are teaching a student some PC skills

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Raven » Tue, 07 Aug 2018, 10:15

So, one doesn´t really need to overthink things that much to come up with the final call, but it´s 99% unlikely that HRK will participate in the Shield this year... even if they did, with the amount of players leaving the team they´ll find it hard to be as competitive as they were.

I wonder if any other German sides will be approached, or has German Rugby as a whole lost a BIG opportunity to develop players in a higher standard...

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 07 Aug 2018, 11:05

Raven wrote:I wonder if any other German sides will be approached, or has European Professional Club Rugby Ltd lost a BIG opportunity to develop players in a higher standard and get a new market going


Fixed that for you. Maybe it was just used as an excuse by Wild to retreat from German rugby altogether. But it still puzzles me, how you can be that short-sighted to deny a club from the biggest European economy who rightfully qualified and who would have been the first club ever from that country to play in the competition. It is like those guys at EPCR would leave a 100 Euro bill on the floor, just because the vowed to themselves, that they won't bow to anyone that day.

But I concur, that I don't see a German club taking part this season and for the near future.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby STMKY » Tue, 07 Aug 2018, 13:10

It is sad. Spain, Germany ... But why does the EPCR not want to pay attention to VVA and Kuban? They want to play international matches.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Tue, 07 Aug 2018, 13:46

I doubt they are not interested in good teams eager to participate. I couldn't see the reason

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