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2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby victorsra » Fri, 14 Jul 2017, 17:52

Do we have already all the teams that will play it?

Any date to have the groups released?
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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Horsehead » Fri, 14 Jul 2017, 18:32

I think I have seen that Georgia have confirmed 2 teams that will compete but that is all I have seen so far.

I was hoping that now it is under the ERPC banner we would see better communication but I'm guessing it's going to be the usual very low key announcement a week before it starts

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 14 Jul 2017, 18:35

I wonder how many teams will play from Russia?
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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 14 Jul 2017, 18:45

Only ONE team from GEO, still tbc WHICH and WHETHER

Would be decided | announced by end of AUGUST

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby amz » Fri, 14 Jul 2017, 19:13

From Romania it will be Timisoara Saracens.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 14 Jul 2017, 19:17

In Spain VRAC Quesos Entrepinares menaced to withdraw, but Continental Shield dates appeared on 2017/18 FER calendar so somebody should go. It would be ridiculous situation and a failure not to have a team competing here the year where we will be holding finals.

BTW, there are two options for Continental Shield final. Either San Mamés Berria like Champions and Challenge Cup or Fadura, Getxo home ground and 15 km away (30 minutes by Metro).

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby sk 88 » Sat, 15 Jul 2017, 08:15

If the Valladoid teams don't fancy it might one of the Bilbao/Basque sides fancy it with the carrot of home advantage?

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 15 Jul 2017, 08:26

They don't have the level. It would be cool, but they would be destroyed.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 19 Jul 2017, 09:56

Italy ponders whether to take part in 2017-18 Continental Shield with two regional sides, one involving players from clubs around Venice and the other from Lombardy:
http://www.onrugby.it/2017/07/19/eccell ... n-pentola/

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby amz » Wed, 19 Jul 2017, 10:00

Weren't they the ones who didn't wanted regional sides? :lol:

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 19 Jul 2017, 10:19

Somebody in El Salvador forum just said all three Spanish top teams (VRAC, El Salvador and Alcobendas) declined to take part in next Continental Shield. Unconfirmed, but it doesn't look good.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby STMKY » Wed, 19 Jul 2017, 10:41

You need to invite Kuban and VVA.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby suofficer » Wed, 19 Jul 2017, 10:52

No Portuguese involvement?

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 21 Jul 2017, 20:41

In case there was still any kind of doubt, VRAC Quesos Entrepinares president says they have sent a letter to FER declining their participation in Continental Shield because they haven't received any kind of information about it and they don't know how it would affect their budget: http://www.diariodevalladolid.es/notici ... 92889.html

Anyway, let's be honest. It's just an excuse. Spanish clubs know they don't stand a chance against Russian, Romanian and Italian teams and these don't have the appeal to fill grandstands and make it profitable.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Sat, 22 Jul 2017, 09:42

Italian federation indirectly confirmed that also in the incoming edition of the Continental Shield there will be four italian clubs: Calvisano, Rovigo, Padova, Viadana.

The other six teams of Eccellenza are indeed the only involved in the "Trofeo Eccellenza", a sort of national cup dedicated to the teams not comprised in the european competitions
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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sun, 23 Jul 2017, 14:49

Armchair Fan wrote:In case there was still any kind of doubt, VRAC Quesos Entrepinares president says they have sent a letter to FER declining their participation in Continental Shield because they haven't received any kind of information about it and they don't know how it would affect their budget: http://www.diariodevalladolid.es/notici ... 92889.html

Anyway, let's be honest. It's just an excuse. Spanish clubs know they don't stand a chance against Russian, Romanian and Italian teams and these don't have the appeal to fill grandstands and make it profitable.


Very disappointing if nobody from Spain takes part. The competition will be lesser without them and exposure to more professional clubs could only help enhance the quality of play in the Spanish league. Everything seems to have to be a drama in Spanish rugby!

In fairness, I sympathise with them about the lack of information. There is no reason I can see why the Continental Shield fixtures and draw shouldn't be finalised at the same time as they are announced for the Champions and Challenge Cups.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 23 Jul 2017, 14:56

Bruce_ma_goose wrote:Very disappointing if nobody from Spain takes part. The competition will be lesser without them and exposure to more professional clubs could only help enhance the quality of play in the Spanish league. Everything seems to have to be a drama in Spanish rugby!

In fairness, I sympathise with them about the lack of information. There is no reason I can see why the Continental Shield fixtures and draw shouldn't be finalised at the same time as they are announced for the Champions and Challenge Cups.

The thing is that for two years in a row Spanish entrant to Continental Shield has gone from a league-cup double to losing both finals the following year. And both Valladolid clubs blame how European games (both Continental Shield and Iberian Cup) are a factor in finishing the season exhausted.

Plus, in El Salvador forum a couple of users have confirmed that the rest of clubs were opposed to leaving spots in this season's schedule for European games and the fact that Spanish entrant received a bye to Copa del Rey semifinals. One of them, behind Revista Veintidós (Spanish rugby magazine) and Sanitas Alcobendas, even explained that only Rugby Europe gives a 12,000€ grant, which doesn't even cover one third of the cost to play in Russia. FER doesn't give a dime.

To me the whole situation is shameful and as damaging to Spanish rugby image as playing REC games in a 1940s stadium or sending weaker teams every June to Nations Cup.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sun, 23 Jul 2017, 16:21

Yes, I share your frustration. The long term future of rugby in countries like Spain to me is in part dependent on the credibility and authority of Rugby Europe.

Their competitions put REC sides and their clubs in the spotlight and gives them credibility if done correctly. They are the main vehicles in building pressure for increased integration of European Tier1 and 2 at international and club level.

Obviously Rugby Europe deserves some criticism for some of their organisational decisions and communication, but if the FER and club owners harbour any ambitions about commercialising and professionalising the game domestically then they should be grabbing these opportunities with both hands and making them a priority for their limited resources.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby armchair_expert » Sun, 23 Jul 2017, 20:16

EPCR launched a survey for rugby supporters:
http://www.surveygizmo.eu/s3/90040131/E ... Fan-Survey

there are some interesting questions about "promotion of rugby across Europe beyond England, Ireland, France, Scotland, Wales & Italy"

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sun, 23 Jul 2017, 22:18

armchair_expert wrote:EPCR launched a survey for rugby supporters:
http://www.surveygizmo.eu/s3/90040131/E ... Fan-Survey

there are some interesting questions about "promotion of rugby across Europe beyond England, Ireland, France, Scotland, Wales & Italy"

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Very unusual combination of questions. I made remarks about promotion and relegation between the Challenge Cup and Continental Shield. Funny how in the list of words describing the Continental Shield it lists "confusing" twice!

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 27 Jul 2017, 07:07

No Russian team in Continental Shield pool stages according to the link suofficer postes on Portuguese Rugby topic:
http://fpr.pt/equipas-portuguesas-regre ... qualifier/

Four Italian teams (sigh...), a Romanian, a Georgian, a German and a Portuguese ones that will play six pool games each. And the link talks about the creation of a "Rugby Europe League" the following season.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Thu, 27 Jul 2017, 07:37

Thanks Armchair and Suofficer
Six pool games should mean a "traditional" format with home & away matches between teams of the same pool
The italian teams are almost certainly Calvisano (1st in Eccellenza), Viadana (4th), Rovigo (2nd) and Padova (3rd)
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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Horsehead » Thu, 27 Jul 2017, 08:55

Canalina wrote:Thanks Armchair and Suofficer
Six pool games should mean a "traditional" format with home & away matches between teams of the same pool
The italian teams are almost certainly Calvisano (1st in Eccellenza), Viadana (4th), Rovigo (2nd) and Padova (3rd)


I'm really pleased they have gone for a better pool format than the awful one of the last couple of years, that is a big positive. And it is great to see a Georgian team once again

Its a shame that half of the competing teams are from Italy though, Russia certainly deserve a team in there, Romania deserve 2 more than Italy deserve 4. Also sad not to see any Spanish or Belgian teams

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Thu, 27 Jul 2017, 09:44

I'm sure the other countries would have been offered extra spots if they would pay some costs. For Russia having an extra team makes less sense as they have nothing to gain. They already have control of the two Challenge Cup spots.

I am very happy to see the Italian union continue to engage actively with their Tier2 neighbours and talk of a future RE league is interesting as it suggests a more major commitment. I would not be surprised if they are looking at long term alternatives to involvement in the Pro12.

Timisoara should be odds on for one playoff spot but the second one should be fairly open.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby suofficer » Thu, 27 Jul 2017, 09:54

I think you've hit the nail on the head here. I think Agronomia from Portugal would relish the chance to play, and i susepct they could if the money could be found. I think sadly theats the crux of it.

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