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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Sat, 23 Sep 2017, 08:06

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Canalina wrote:They're very ridiculous. A true, efficacious Continental Shield should have at least 64 teams, 12 of them Russia, six from Moldova and at least two from South America, to conquer the worldwide market. A round robin of 63 games, home and away, could be fine; one or two matches at each round should be played at Twickenham or Stade de France, to attract more interest. All the games on saturday's evening prime time, this is obvious. If only the EPCR organizers weren't so old, selfish people! :x
Fortunately the russian federation is organizing for this season a wonderful parallel european tournament with thirty-two teams, many italian clubs invited. It's a surprise, russian federation worked hard for this and will publish the official communicate in the next few hours

On the internet to defeat the russian teams is much easier than on the field!

Well, I was not against russian rugby; it's just that italian rugby is often pointed out as guilty of all the problems of this cup, but at least italian rugby is trying to carry it on!

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Tue, 26 Sep 2017, 06:10

An eye to the shape of the 8 teams... All the italian clubs won in the first day of Eccellenza, last saturday: Calvisano defeated Florence 20-29 (bonus), Rovigo def Reggio 16-25, Padova def Lazio 24-0, Viadana def San Donà 29-20.
Timisoara is quite struggling in SuperLiga, with one victory, two draws, one loss and no bonuses after four matches; they are just fifth in the standing.
Heidelberg returned in super-shape dominating the first two days of Bundesliga Süd/West with 222 points scored and 13 conceded.
The Divisao de Honra portuguese apparently hasn't yet started.
Batumi is fourth in Didi 10, with two victories, one draw and one loss. In the last day they lost at home 10-23 with Aia Kutaisi

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 26 Sep 2017, 14:28

Canalina wrote:Well, I was not against russian rugby; it's just that italian rugby is often pointed out as guilty of all the problems of this cup, but at least italian rugby is trying to carry it on!

I think that the competision between Italy and Georgia in the 6N will benefit primarly Italy.
The same is true of the situation with Italian clubs.
Fair competition will always benefit.

But the competition should be fair and not the same as in situation with the Yenisei and Yar.
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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Wed, 27 Sep 2017, 08:29

Just a map of the competing nations, taken from a general Europe map on http://brilliantmaps.com

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 05:42

All the Continental Shield teams called on the field won their last weekend's national championships' games

Evora v Cdu Lisboa 7-87
Cluj v Timisoara 22-38
Heidelberg rested due to the Oktoberfest 7s
Lokomotivi v Batumi postponed
Calvisano v Reggio 57-10
Viadana v Lazio 45-37
Rovigo v Fiamme Oro 19-13
Mogliano v Padova 24-30

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 05 Oct 2017, 07:41

Heidelberg RK squad for the tournament released.
http://hrk1872.de/2017/10/04/hrk-starte ... al-shield/

This is basically the German national team with the addition of some other national & international players based all around the Bundesliga like the Zimbabweans Chitokwindo and Sitah.
Self proclaimed goal is the qualificatin for the Challenge Cup this year.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 05 Oct 2017, 09:08

Finals in Sevilla?

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby amz » Thu, 05 Oct 2017, 10:05

I thought is a clubs competition, not a competition with clubs allowed to transfer the best players from the respective championship. :roll:

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 05 Oct 2017, 11:27

amz wrote:I thought is a clubs competition, not a competition with clubs allowed to transfer the best players from the respective championship. :roll:


How did you come to this conclusion, when
a) this is the same set-up for now the 3rd year
b) when you fight for promotion to a cup where you will play against regions where the best clubs&schools from the region send their best players to :twisted:

Gonna be an interesting team this year. Not like 2016/17 the HRK apparently will not play with a lot of youth players, but with the best. Like 2015/16 when they lost against Timisoara 3:10 and beat Mogliano away. Can only be a good thing for this competition if the overall level is higher. Would still be a little miracle if they could qualify.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby amz » Thu, 05 Oct 2017, 11:39

But you said:

This is basically the German national team with the addition of some other national & international players based all around the Bundesliga like the Zimbabweans Chitokwindo and Sitah.


I don't remember all players from German championship playing for Heidelberg RK. Were they transfered on purpose or I just misunderstood?

If no, we should revive Wolves and solve the issue ;)

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 05 Oct 2017, 13:43

amz wrote:But you said:

This is basically the German national team with the addition of some other national & international players based all around the Bundesliga like the Zimbabweans Chitokwindo and Sitah.


I don't remember all players from German championship playing for Heidelberg RK. Were they transfered on purpose or I just misunderstood?

If no, we should revive Wolves and solve the issue ;)


Well the HRK has had most of the German national team in their ranks for the last three years anyway ;-)
But yeah, players from other teams have a double-licence to play for HRK internationally. But this is the case since Germany joined the Shield. So nothing new. A new addition are the Zim-players. The two years before, the HRK just added German eligible players from other clubs with a double-licence.
Lets face it: Germany would have never beaten Romania or Uruguay if they wouldn't have had the additional matches form this Shield and the November tests.
The German league is simply too weak compared to Romania, Italy or Georgia to give national players any new experiences.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby amz » Thu, 05 Oct 2017, 13:51

Yeah but this sounds to be a first league select rather than one club and we dismantled Wolves for this reason, that only clubs are allowed. IMO having double licensed players is breaking this rule and I suspect they'll do the same in Georgia.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 05 Oct 2017, 13:59

amz wrote:Yeah but this sounds to be a first league select rather than one club and we dismantled Wolves for this reason, that only clubs are allowed. IMO having double licensed players is breaking this rule and I suspect they'll do the same in Georgia.


It was never done in secret. It is also not exactly the same case as the Wolves. This is NOT a selection. This is one club with additonal players.

Apart from any rules: for the development of rugby, this is the right thing to do and if possible countries with weaker leagues should follow this example. It is the only way to give their players games on a higher level. And nobody gets hurt. I mean if you can't beat a German side of players playing in Germany, you shouldn't probably take part in the Challenge Cup...
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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby GeoRugby » Thu, 05 Oct 2017, 14:40

IMO having double licensed players is breaking this rule and I suspect they'll do the same in Georgia.


Your suspicion is out of place. RC Batumi added couple of new players in the off season during a transfer window. That's the squad that will be represented in Didi10 as well as Continental Shield.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby amz » Thu, 05 Oct 2017, 15:09

RugbyLiebe wrote:It was never done in secret. It is also not exactly the same case as the Wolves. This is NOT a selection. This is one club with additonal players.

Apart from any rules: for the development of rugby, this is the right thing to do and if possible countries with weaker leagues should follow this example. It is the only way to give their players games on a higher level. And nobody gets hurt. I mean if you can't beat a German side of players playing in Germany, you shouldn't probably take part in the Challenge Cup...


It isn't named a selection but function as one since have players with double registration and I presume from Bundesliga clubs. What if Timisoara would transfer 5-10 players from national team, when Super Liga stops from this month until April next year for qualification in Challenge Cup? Would it be a club or a selection?

@GeoRugby, can we check somewhere Georgian's teams squads that played in Didi10 and squads sent to EPCR for Continental Shield?

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby GeoRugby » Thu, 05 Oct 2017, 15:25

@GeoRugby, can we check somewhere Georgian's teams squads that played in Didi10 and squads sent to EPCR for Continental Shield?


From GRU page, list of transfers in this off season by every Didi10 club (It`s in Georgian, so I`ll translate specifically RC Batumi):
http://site.rugby.ge/ka-ge/news-view/?n ... odID=17364

New players added to RC Batumi in the off season: Lasha Khmaladze, Sandro Koiava, Beka Mamrikishvili, Tariel Donadze, Beka Urjukashvili, Khicha Bujiashvili.

Some good players were added, and some were not. Some of the best Didi10 players(including players witn National team experience), are playing for other teams, like Aia, Jiki, Lelo-Saracens, Academia.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby vino_93 » Thu, 05 Oct 2017, 18:32

Is their still some outsiders in Georgia ? I remember a french guy going there to play last year.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Mon, 09 Oct 2017, 13:54

The 8 competitors arrive at this new edition in good shape: 23 victories, 3 draws and 3 losses in the 29 matches played so far by them in their respective national championships.

Calvisano, Padova and Viadana won 3/3
Rovigo 2/3
Lisboa 2/2
Heidelberg 4/4
Timisoara 3 victories, 2 draws, 1 loss
Batumi 3 victories, 1 draw, 1 loss

I expect Viadana to beat CDUL but all the other three matches are very interesting. Both Heidelberg and Calvisano are in great shape: the germans play at home but Calvisano should be anyway favorite. Rovigo v Batumi also quite exciting, the georgian team is rather unknown by we italians. Timisoara appears favorite against Padova, but the italian team has a good roster (overall in the backs) and should offer an interesting opposition

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Bogdan_DC » Mon, 09 Oct 2017, 15:19

Canalina wrote:The 8 competitors arrive at this new edition in good shape: 23 victories, 3 draws and 3 losses in the 29 matches played so far by them in their respective national championships.

Calvisano, Padova and Viadana won 3/3
Rovigo 2/3
Lisboa 2/2
Heidelberg 4/4
Timisoara 3 victories, 2 draws, 1 loss
Batumi 3 victories, 1 draw, 1 loss

I expect Viadana to beat CDUL but all the other three matches are very interesting. Both Heidelberg and Calvisano are in great shape: the germans play at home but Calvisano should be anyway favorite. Rovigo v Batumi also quite exciting, the georgian team is rather unknown by we italians. Timisoara appears favorite against Padova, but the italian team has a good roster (overall in the backs) and should offer an interesting opposition
Timisoara is in bad shape...i really don't know how many wins they will have in this competition but they look very bad(only 12-10 at half time against Iasi youngsters who lost 60-70 points away this year in previous games). They have a lot of injuries but is more than this, i feel a lack of ambition.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Tue, 10 Oct 2017, 17:55

Our blog's presentation of the first day www.rugby.it/news/2017/10/10/sabato-ini ... ntendenti/

Let's hope in some live streaming. The Rugby Channel http://www.therugbychannel.it shows live all the Eccellenza's matches but I think to remember that last year they didn't obtain from EPCR a permit to transmit the Shield

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 10 Oct 2017, 20:29

No, last year I remember they broadcast at least Calvisano-El Salvador.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Thu, 12 Oct 2017, 12:52

from the south african referees website, "...the Continental Shield, which is organised by Italy to regulate entry into the Challenge Cup".
So, abruptly, 'organized by Italy': proud of it

Do you know some live streaming of the first day, from Timisoara or Heidelberg?
Italian rugby news blog: http://www.rugby.it/news/

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby beber » Thu, 12 Oct 2017, 18:31

Batumi 24-men squad for the first game
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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby beber » Thu, 12 Oct 2017, 20:40

Timisoara likely starting XV from http://www.tmsport.ro/rugby/entuziasm-l ... probabila/

1- Ionel Badiu
2- Andrei Radoi
3- Horatiu Pungea
4- Valentin Poparlan (capt)
5- Marian Drenceanu
6- James Doyle
7- Randall Morrison
8- Michael Stewart
9- Henry Seniloli
10- Stefano Hunt
11- Fonovai Tangimana
12- Jack Umaga
13- Tevita Manumua
14- William Helu
15- Luke Samoa

Bench from : Marian Sabau, Sami Maris, Mesake Doge, Ionut Muresan, Vasile Rus, Gabriel Rupanu, Vlad Popa, Gabriel Conache, Vlad Neculau, Sione Taupaki, Marius Simionescu

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby GeoRugby » Fri, 13 Oct 2017, 02:17

Only 2 full time national team members in RC Batumi 24 men squad(Khmaladze, Tkhilaishvili).

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