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2017-18 Continental Shield

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 21 Jan 2019, 14:30

victorsra wrote:Isn't the whole point of the Italian Top12 clubs in the Continental Shield a way to allow historical powers like Rovigo and Petrarca to play in Europe? They aren't represented by Benetton Treviso in the PRO14 (they are rivals) and that left a need of giving them an alternative. I've heard that from an Italian friend too.


Yes, that's actually the whole point from an 6N point of view. And maybe because they probably don't like being sued in front of the EU for creating a monopoly or whatever lawyers could come up with in this situation. This little mouse hole is enough for them to be on the safe side no matter what.

But sometimes I still believe that the purpose of a sport is to get everybody involved and see who can improve, be the best etc. - and off course try to get even more people involved next time, so your sport becomes more popular and might even generate bigger funds for it to be taken even more serious.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 21 Jan 2019, 14:31

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:
The winner plays one of the two Italians in the Shield final.

Not this year -- according to EPCR: for logistical reasons

Calvisano v Rovigo over two legs = SHIELD Final 2019
The winner will be promoted to CHALLENGE 2019-2020

The winner of Enisey - Timisoara will stay in CHALLENGE 2019-2020

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Thanks for the update.
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Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Continental Shield

Postby tango602 » Mon, 21 Jan 2019, 16:41

Canalina wrote:I wonder if Enisei and Timisoara are going to show a 100% effort in their play-off. Are they still willing to stay in Challenge Cup, despite six neat losses and little home crowds?
It's not a malicious question, I really can't imagine if they could want (maybe unconsciously) to quit the tournament at least for a season


In all fairness to Enisei they had to play two "home" matches about 2,500 miles from home and from what I saw on twitter their home game against Bristol was not advertised at all locally.

If they can't play at home then at least let them play in Moscow or Krasnodar where there seems to be more interest. After all they have drawn crowds of around 1,000 in Moscow before and 1,500 when playing in Krasnodar compared to crowds of under 500 when they have played their "home" matches in Sochi.

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Re: Continental Shield

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 22 Jan 2019, 12:45

tango602 wrote:In all fairness to Enisei they had to play two "home" matches about 2,500 miles from home and from what I saw on twitter their home game against Bristol was not advertised at all locally.

If they can't play at home then at least let them play in Moscow or Krasnodar where there seems to be more interest. After all they have drawn crowds of around 1,000 in Moscow before and 1,500 when playing in Krasnodar compared to crowds of under 500 when they have played their "home" matches in Sochi.


Has the on going exposure to rugby lead to anything in Sochi itself? I mean they've had a lot of national team games plus Challenge cup in the last years? Is rugby growing there?
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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Tiernster » Wed, 23 Jan 2019, 08:29

Wouldn't suggest an AIL team - what I was trying to say is that in the current format it would make more sense.

If it was a competition ran by the unions and provincial A teams added to the quality of competition I'd be in favour.

In general I'd like to see more countries participating, does anyone know why Spain don't participate?, guessing Germany is a fallout based on the stade francais link

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Wed, 23 Jan 2019, 09:10

does anyone know why Spain don't participate?

EVERYBODY knows but you -- I see, you are a newcomer

WELCOME :!:

Same for Portugal ...

Romania, Russia and Georgia are limited to
just ONE team in CHALLENGE + SHIELD for a season

Poland, Holland etc etc -- to NONE!

Hence, if LOKO won SHIELD this year and then failed to retain GEO title in May,
then GEO new champ would have gone to CHALLENGE next autumn
whereas LOKO themselves could not even made SHIELD

So unfair, illogical and restrictive those EPCR participation quotas are

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Wed, 23 Jan 2019, 10:42

As we all, I hope in an enlargement of the tournament in the next edition.
I think the Shield can't survive to an other year with six teams, four of whom of the same nation

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 23 Jan 2019, 11:11

Tiernster wrote:In general I'd like to see more countries participating, does anyone know why Spain don't participate?, guessing Germany is a fallout based on the stade francais link

As FR suggested we've talked quite a few times about this but I have no problem repeating myself once again.

Spanish teams don't see this competition meaningful. They already have a crowded domestic calendar (22 regular season games, playoffs, Cup, Supercup and Iberian Cup). Everytime they went to Europe they paid the toll and lost in the national scene.

Furthermore, national union doesn't cover flights and accommodation which depending on rivals may rise up to 10 or 15% of the club season budget. And local ticketing incomes don't match these expenses as fans get less attracted by Timisoara Saracens or Calvisano than by local rivalries or Portuguese teams from Iberian Cup.

There's another issue with squads. Spanish league is full of foreigners and EPCR requirements are more restrictive than those from Liga Heineken, preventing Spanish clubs from fielding their best possible team or forcing them to sign new players for such an adventure.

But realistically there is a realisation that we're not good enough to match Russians, Romanians or Italians anyway and I often think Spanish clubs just look for excuses to add to this.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Wed, 23 Jan 2019, 11:32

Armchair Fan wrote:...
And local ticketing incomes don't match these expenses as fans get less attracted by Timisoara Saracens or Calvisano than by local rivalries or Portuguese teams from Iberian Cup.

Same here in Italy, unfortunately

About Timisoara's match cancelled in Challenge Cup due to snow, here it is how in the FFR headquarter they protect the field.
It seems not super-expensive
https://www.facebook.com/FFRugby/videos ... 790068928/

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby amz » Wed, 23 Jan 2019, 14:18

Canalina wrote:
Armchair Fan wrote:...
And local ticketing incomes don't match these expenses as fans get less attracted by Timisoara Saracens or Calvisano than by local rivalries or Portuguese teams from Iberian Cup.

Same here in Italy, unfortunately

About Timisoara's match cancelled in Challenge Cup due to snow, here it is how in the FFR headquarter they protect the field.
It seems not super-expensive
https://www.facebook.com/FFRugby/videos ... 790068928/


Good luck doing that with 60 cm of snow which was the average at that time. Still, it is possible but the local authorities do not simply care and without a under heating will simply froze during the game.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby honestly_united » Wed, 23 Jan 2019, 16:30

I've seen a few comments / articles in the UK press questioning the involvement of the shield winners in the challenge cup. The reasons given are that 60-70 point defeats don't help anyone.

Given that Einisei and Krasny Yar have had some decent results over the years, was it more a case this year that the opposition respected them more and put out stronger teams, just a bad year squad / form wise, or not playing at home that is the issue? Are the clubs seeing the benifit of playing in Europe, or is it just seen as a necessary evil?

Given the quotes from Italy are they already thinking they are on a hiding to nothing next season?

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Zhenya_Zima » Wed, 23 Jan 2019, 23:38

The whole playing in the off-season thing and being made to feel you're unwelcome/longer away trip to play at "home" than the opposition....
These things don't help.

But yes, also video analysis and historic warnings. No-one underestimates anymore.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Tiernster » Sat, 26 Jan 2019, 13:14

Thanks for replying
Realized Georgia also had a combined team competing in 2014.
Re Spain and others it's a matter of incentivising entry either financially or possibly by having some pro d2, championship or celtic Cup teams compete if it was felt it could add to local interest.

On the off season issue is there room to tailor local league times to work with rounds 1-4 only?
On the neutral venue it does seem an Asian Cup would be better for the east Russian sides.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Tiernster » Sat, 26 Jan 2019, 13:17

Cynical thing to say but why are rugby EPCR and the fir the owners. If competition was partially owned by unions involved the chance of success would surely be higher

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Ainsthrilln » Sat, 26 Jan 2019, 18:45

Tiernster wrote:Cynical thing to say but why are rugby EPCR and the fir the owners. If competition was partially owned by unions involved the chance of success would surely be higher


Well, probably because FIR was the one that pushed the most for the existance of this competition.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Zhenya_Zima » Mon, 28 Jan 2019, 23:32

Enisei, who still have still qualify, of course, remain committed to European competition according to Valeev.

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Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Mon, 04 Feb 2019, 02:04

A good resume of the (grey) situation

https://tier2rugby.blogspot.com/2019/01 ... r-rec.html

PS: Victorsra, if you read this may you change the title of the thread (you opened it) just in "Continental Shield", without the date?
Or we may just open a new one next season

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby STMKY » Mon, 04 Feb 2019, 07:03

Pervukhin answered some questions from this article.
Games in Krasnoyarsk?
Due to the reluctance of clubs, EPCR refuses to hold matches in Krasnoyarsk. And only direct contact with the leadership of "La Rochelle" allowed me to convince the French to come to us in October. The Italians refused flatly. I think that in this issue our Union should be included more seriously.
Broadcast matches Yenisei?
The previous three years we tried to broadcast all home games on TV (“Match-Our Sport” and “Match-Game”, as well as on the Internet. At the same time, for the right to show (given the fact that these games were not included in the pool of the international show EPCR) with them was an agreement on a one-time payment of 2,500 euros, and that was enough for broadcasting three home matches. At the same time shooting the match and raising the signal to the satellite for broadcast cost us another 5,000 euros each, but all three years we found additional finances for payment of hits. This season is literally the night before the game in Krasnoyarsk (v LR), we were brought new terms of payment of rights to broadcast, both on TV and on the Internet. The commercial fee was announced at 6,000 euros for each home game, although in Europe our away games were still not going to show. Negotiations night before the match with " La Rochelle "led only to the resolution of the show in the Krasnoyarsk region, which we eventually did. The conditions for the rest of the games did not change, the cost of filming in Sochi remained the same. Thus, the display of two games from Sochi cost almost € 25,000, plus stadium rent, hotel accommodation, etc.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby STMKY » Mon, 04 Feb 2019, 07:22

That is, the EPCR does not take into account the fact that the Enisei has only 1 home match and 5 away matches. This is an additional financial cost. Objectively, Enisei spends the most money on Challenge and Continental Shield Cup games in Europe. They almost never play at home. At the same time, the EPCR raises the fee for broadcasting matches several times for him. I think this is unfair.
As for further speeches. Enisei began to rejuvenate the team. Polivalov (32) and Orlov (31) to VVA, Krasilnik (32), Rudoy (35) and Kushnaryov (33) to Krasny Yar.
The team will be rejuvenated at the expense of their young players and foreighners. It is also possible to invite foreighn coaches.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby armchair_expert » Wed, 13 Feb 2019, 17:49

Yenisey-STM might be missing more than 14 players for play-off matches vs Timisoara because of RWC preparation, U20 and 7s call-ups. They are allowed to add only 3 players to their Challenge Cup squad and 6 players from that squad have already left the club, few others are injured, Gargalic is banned.
If they don't reach an agreement with NT coaching staff they might end up fielding inexperienced youngsters out of position

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Raven » Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 10:13

armchair_expert wrote:Yenisey-STM might be missing more than 14 players for play-off matches vs Timisoara because of RWC preparation, U20 and 7s call-ups. They are allowed to add only 3 players to their Challenge Cup squad and 6 players from that squad have already left the club, few others are injured, Gargalic is banned.
If they don't reach an agreement with NT coaching staff they might end up fielding inexperienced youngsters out of position


Wow... that´s shit.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby evil santa » Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 12:12

Enisei-STM site announced, that fixtures of Continental Shield semi-finals vs Timisoara will be swapped - first game to be played in Romania, and the return game is going to be an opener for Avangard stadium in Krasnoyarsk.
http://www.enisei-stm.ru/news/index.php?id=3672
And it is confirmed at EPCR site https://www.epcrugby.com/2019/02/21/con ... ixtures-2/
Strange that none of regular Russian posters still haven't wrote here about it. Usually they are so active.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 07 Mar 2019, 18:03

Not Continental Shield, but it may be interesting nevertheless. Dendermonde, which didn't release players for Belgium Barbarians, will play tomorrow against UBU-Colina Clinic from Burgos (currently 7th in Liga Heineken) at 18:00 CET. And there will be live streaming:

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby amz » Tue, 12 Mar 2019, 17:13

Timisoara - Enysey home match will be aired by Romanian national TV station.

It seems Continental Shield stakeholders have more sense than EPCR's ones.

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Re: 2018-19 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Tue, 26 Mar 2019, 09:17

amz wrote:Timisoara - Enysey home match will be aired by Romanian national TV station.

It seems Continental Shield stakeholders have more sense than EPCR's ones.

It will be on "TVR Timisoara", apparently.
By the way, Timisoara v Enisei shouldn't be considered part of the Continental Shield, this season; it's a sort of relegation barrage of the Challenge Cup. But, yes, I see in the article above that EPCR itself included this match under the Shield ambit.

Unfortunately no news at the moment about a tv broadcasting of the Shield final between Calvisano and Rovigo. Probably it will be just streamed on the web

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