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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby TheStroBro » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 01:45

So I've got beef with the Cipriani red. He had no ability to shift his body lower because he was basically standing upright when Scannell put his head down and into his shoulder less than a meter away. He lowered the crown of his head to either draw the penalty or protect himself or both. Unless we're protecting bot the defender and attacker here...it's just bullshit. What should happen here is a yellow to Scannell if the law was balanced.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 07:43

frakturfreak wrote:
Also I find Maul especially disturbing in the German version of the law book without an IPA guide of its pronounciation.


This. Maul literally means "mouth of an animal" in German and it is also used to say to somebody to shut up "Halts Maul" = (Shut your pie-hole).
That's a word I actually prefer the German version "Paket" (=packet in english).
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby Gorbeh » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 14:43

frakturfreak wrote:There was an unofficial translation of the 2009 laws, not officially sanctioned by the IRB.

It still can be downloaded at https://www.drvreferees.de/images/sdrv/laws/RegelnGesamt.pdf

And this version was written in the German terms I talked about. The usage of the English terms is kind of a self-fulfilling prophesy, if the only official version of the laws you can use is written in English and all the coaches and a large player base is English speaking, of course you’d use the English terms.

Also I find Maul especially disturbing in the German version of the law book without an IPA guide of its pronounciation.



Nevertheless, using the terms mark and ruck is more suitable on the field, even for native German speakers. On one hand, Mark as only on vowel, Marke two. On the other hand, offenes Gedränge and Gedränge aren't distinguishable on the field. Even had the problem during practise while refereeing, as some people thought I wanted to stop play when calling Gedränge instead of ruck.
I definetly like the translation of the laws, though I still prefer the original version, as there are some aspects lost during a translation as always. But as long as there are no rule mistakes (which I couldn't find) it helps younger players and non fluent English speakers tremendously to get a better grasp of the game.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby Werner » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 15:15

Gorbeh wrote:
frakturfreak wrote:There was an unofficial translation of the 2009 laws, not officially sanctioned by the IRB.

It still can be downloaded at https://www.drvreferees.de/images/sdrv/laws/RegelnGesamt.pdf

And this version was written in the German terms I talked about. The usage of the English terms is kind of a self-fulfilling prophesy, if the only official version of the laws you can use is written in English and all the coaches and a large player base is English speaking, of course you’d use the English terms.

Also I find Maul especially disturbing in the German version of the law book without an IPA guide of its pronounciation.



Nevertheless, using the terms mark and ruck is more suitable on the field, even for native German speakers. On one hand, Mark as only on vowel, Marke two. On the other hand, offenes Gedränge and Gedränge aren't distinguishable on the field. Even had the problem during practise while refereeing, as some people thought I wanted to stop play when calling Gedränge instead of ruck.
I definitely like the translation of the laws, though I still prefer the original version, as there are some aspects lost during a translation as always. But as long as there are no rule mistakes (which I couldn't find) it helps younger players and non fluent English speakers tremendously to get a better grasp of the game.
Strange discussions. The wording "Tackle" has been introduced in the 2000 german law translation and replaced the misleading "Halten". Ruck has been introduced 2005 and replaced "Offenes Gedränge", where the most common call before was "offenes". The call for a Mark (introduced 2018 and replaced "Marke") was "Mark" for at least decades in the german translation. Now only the naming of the process of calling "Mark" changed in addition.

The "official" 2018 version replaced the former "unoffical" German version from 2016 and replaced some wording by the English original. So what. The times they are a-changin'.

The 2018 Laws of the Game is a major revised version ("cut by 50%" ?!). Thank's for the extensive work by the involved persons from the German Rugby Referees Union SDRV.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby frakturfreak » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 18:54

Also I would make a point that the one extra syllable of „Paket“ compared to „Maul“ doesn’t make much difference in understandibility. Which other word beginning with Pa- is there could it be confused with in a situation where a Maul could form? I could’ve lived with the German terms mentioned in the definitions. It wouldn’t have been this hard to implement.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 08 Jan 2019, 09:46

ANNUAL UPDATE >> https://laws.worldrugby.org/

NINE LANGUAGES RETAINED -- AFRIKAANS DROPPED

QUICKLY BROWSED AND FOUND 5 MINOR AMENDMENTS | CORRECTIONS

THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE: BOTH TACKLE AND RUCK NOW REFER TO
*HINDMOST PART ON ANY PLAYER (INVOLVED) * TO VINDICATE
2017 ENG-NZL DUBIOUS OFFSIDE CALL THAT CHALKED UNDERHILL'S TRY OFF

STILL MISSING VITAL PROVISION -- AT HALF-TIME TEAMS CHANGE ENDS

THIS WAS DELETED DURING RE-WRITE BUT WAS MISSED BY
ALL 10 TRANSLATORS ... BAR GEORGIAN = ME :lol:

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 15 Jan 2019, 10:38

AFRIKAANS REINSTATED as #8

https://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/W ... 019_AF.pdf

XHOSA, DUTCH and PORTUGUESE still MISSING

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby Thomas » Tue, 15 Jan 2019, 16:29

World Rugby and unions advancing evidence-based approach to injury-prevention:

World Rugby has set out its 2019 plan to further mitigate the risk of injury in the sport, beginning with a dedicated laws forum in March.

https://www.world.rugby/news/389938

New alterations to the laws of the game

Meanwhile, the World Rugby Executive Committee has approved to adopt the revised Television Match Official (TMO) protocol into Law 6.16. This operated as a trial in the November window with the aim of reducing time impact and placing greater decision-making responsibility on the referee. The protocol can be viewed here https://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=6.

Law 15 (Ruck): The Executive Committee has also approved amendments to Law 15.4 to further clarify the laws regarding offside lines at the tackle and ruck. The revised law can be found here https://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=15.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 28 Jan 2019, 14:56

World Rugby secretly changes offside rule

https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/world-r ... e-20190125


QUICKLY BROWSED AND FOUND 5 MINOR AMENDMENTS | CORRECTIONS

THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE: BOTH TACKLE AND RUCK NOW REFER TO
*HINDMOST PART ON ANY PLAYER (INVOLVED) * TO VINDICATE
2017 ENG-NZL DUBIOUS OFFSIDE CALL THAT CHALKED UNDERHILL'S TRY OFF


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:lol: SO, I have beaten them by 20 days :!: :lol:

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 30 Nov 2019, 11:46

:shock: UNBELIEVABLE but it seems SOCCER went RUGBY's way LAWS-wise

From this very thread

WR have formed Law Review Group in around NOV 2015
and Media Releases were issued just before XMAS holidays


From here >> https://www.theifab.com/history/laws | Last para

2016 | IFAB selected David Elleray to oversee the rewrite of the Laws of the Game.

The most recent update is expected to make the Laws clearer, less subject to contradicting interpretation
and, with over 10,000 words removed from the Law and Interpretations sections, also significantly shorter. ...

The recent update to the Laws of the Game has the goal to make the rules easier to understand
not only for the referees, but also to fans of football worldwide.

The Law book in its current shape, redesigned in terms of content, language and appearance, is the result
of the most extensive revision approved by the Technical Subcommittee in the 130 year history of IFAB.


What they got I'm not sure ... Checked my archives and found that
2011 soccer laws were 136 pages long, whereas this new, revised
2020 version ends at 224 (not counting blank pages at the tail)

*PS* Ice hockey's IIHF produced similar, comprehensive re-write in summer 2014

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Wed, 22 Apr 2020, 17:17

قانون | QANWN

At last >> ARabic Laws :!:

https://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/W ... 020_AR.pdf

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Next Hindi|Urdu OR Swahili?

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby victorsra » Wed, 22 Apr 2020, 20:40

Should be Portuguese.... shameful we don't have it...
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 23 Apr 2020, 09:30

victorsra wrote:Should be Portuguese.... shameful we don't have it...


The German version was fully translated by the German referees association if I remember that correctly. Maybe somebody finds the time now during this crisis.
But yeah, World Rugby should provide translators to bring the law book to as many different languages as possible.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 23 Apr 2020, 09:45

They haven't done this?

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby Pedro1 » Thu, 23 Apr 2020, 11:21

On WR website there's already the German version. Is that the one made by the Germans themselves?
It's incredible how little attention they give to translating the lawbook.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 23 Apr 2020, 11:32

We can't even get the fucking rule book done in enough languages. Is it any wonder this sport isn't taking off around the world?

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 23 Apr 2020, 13:01

Pedro1 wrote:On WR website there's already the German version. Is that the one made by the Germans themselves?
It's incredible how little attention they give to translating the lawbook.


Yep, I think another German user from this forum was directly involved in this. Werner can probably clarify. I reckon that the impulse as well as the
implementation came from the German rugby referee's association SDRV.

World Rugby has a record to not realize, that English might be spoken by a lot of people around the world, but to gain real ground you need to make sure, other languages are treated equally.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby victorsra » Thu, 23 Apr 2020, 14:04

Portuguese had a version until 2017. But the former CBRu CEO gave a damn to translate the new version. Now a group of referees in Brazil are working on it, but nobody can tell when it will be ready.

BTW, Brazil and Portugal never worked together about this...
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby Werner » Thu, 23 Apr 2020, 14:34

RugbyLiebe wrote:
Pedro1 wrote:On WR website there's already the German version. Is that the one made by the Germans themselves?
It's incredible how little attention they give to translating the lawbook.


Yep, I think another German user from this forum was directly involved in this. Werner can probably clarify. I reckon that the impulse as well as the
implementation came from the German rugby referee's association SDRV.

World Rugby has a record to not realize, that English might be spoken by a lot of people around the world, but to gain real ground you need to make sure, other languages are treated equally.
The german law version has been translated and is maintained by the german referee's association SDRV. This process was initiated by SDRV in close relationship with WR. World Rugby has the overall responsiblility and takes care that it is part of their website.

The printed book version of the german laws has been organized exclusively by SDRV. It might be sold out, at least the 1st edition was.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby Rumpelstilzchen » Thu, 23 Apr 2020, 19:10

Any idea who I need to write to to get some changes done? I don't like how many English words are used for terms that have already established German words (ruck -> Offenes Gedränge, maul -> Paket, mark -> Marke) or are easily translateable (plane of touch -> Ebene des Seitenaus).

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby Canalina » Tue, 12 May 2020, 15:32

Little but fair change, I think: the posts protection will be not considered part of the try area anymore

https://www.kru.co.ke/news/world-rugby- ... protector/

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 12 May 2020, 22:54

https://www.world.rugby/news/569171

FAIR but why it needed lockdown to being introduced?

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby victorsra » Mon, 01 Jun 2020, 21:27

:D https://laws.worldrugby.org/index.php?&language=PTBR https://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/W ... 0_PTBR.pdf

In Portuguese, finaly.... Brazilian Portuguese in fact (there are clear differences in the way we write from Portugal's Portuguese)
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Unread postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 02 Jun 2020, 17:08

There were 12 languages before re-write,
and there are 12 after it

Dutch was replaced by German
Xhosa -- by Arabic

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