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The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby victorsra » Fri, 12 Jan 2018, 13:04

I liked the new format. Much easier
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Wed, 31 Jan 2018, 09:19

Books added on two languages to http://laws.worldrugby.org/

IT >> http://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/Wo ... 018_IT.pdf

RO >> http://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/Wo ... 018_RO.pdf

Of course, both in peculiar, WR form - with odd pages on left:

WR produces them for FAVORED nations in BIG languages and
go their, UNIQUE way -- contrary to Western cultural tradition

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 19 Feb 2018, 13:29


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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 05 Mar 2018, 14:02

7 OUT OF 12 TONGUES -- DONE :!:

THE LATEST ADDITION -- JAPANESE
http://laws.worldrugby.org/?&language=JA

http://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/Wo ... 018_JA.pdf

TO BE COMPLETED: CHINESE, DUTCH, AFRIKAANS, XHOSA, PORTUGUESE

I WONDER WHY THERE ARE NO TRANSLATIONS to
GERMAN, ARABIC, HINDI, BENGALI :?:

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 10 Apr 2018, 14:24

http://laws.worldrugby.org/
OTHER LANGUAGES: CHINESE, DUTCH, AFRIKAANS, XHOSA, PORTUGUESE
PURGED

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby victorsra » Tue, 10 Apr 2018, 14:52

I know who is translating it to Brazilian Portuguese. It will be done. Just not finished yet.
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby frakturfreak » Tue, 10 Apr 2018, 19:26

According to a post of the SDRV (the German refs association) on Facebook the official German translation is currently being worked on. I find it a bit irritating, that they’ve removed the Afrikaans version of the laws since South Africa are in the WR counsil. Maybe they’re just updating them.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Wed, 11 Apr 2018, 10:02

Maybe they’re just updating them.

I also think so ... but why have they deleted link to 2017 version?
http://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/Wo ... 017_AF.pdf

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Myself doing it in Georgian ... in a bit different way
2,000 copies will have be printed and distributed GRATIS by 1 AUG 2018

Circa 20% of the job already DONE
>> http://files.rugby.ge/VARIA/ragbis_tesebi_2018.pdf
Just waiting for confirmation | adoption of Global Trials by WR in mid-May

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p.2 = just a placeholder -- will be subbed by a set-up featuring top Georgian refs

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Wed, 23 May 2018, 13:19


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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 08:05

DOUBLE joy at last :!:

AF added and updated,
UNLIKE other 7 languages

https://laws.worldrugby.org/?&language=AF

Reël 8 | Aanteken van punte

1. Wyses van punte aanteken en puntewaardes :
a. Drie. Vyf punte.
b. Doelskop. twee punte.
c. Strafdrie. sewe punte.
d. Strafskop. drie punte.
e. Skepdoel. drie punte.



GE ready for printing, containing SAME updates

http://files.rugby.ge/VARIA/ragbis_tesebi_2018.pdf

8. ბურთის გატანა

1. ბურთის სხვადასხვა ხერხით გატანა ასე ფასდება:
ა. ლელო ........................................................ 5 ქულა
ბ. გარდასახვა ................................................. 2 ქულა
გ. საჯარიმო ლელო ........................................... 7 ქულა
დ. ჯარიმიდან გატანილი გოლი ............................ 3 ქულა
ე. არეკნით გატანილი გოლი ................................ 3 ქულა

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby Thomas » Wed, 25 Jul 2018, 20:51

What does everyone think about this new trial law?

https://www.worldrugby.org/news/351855
World Rugby approves RFU tackle height trial as part of wider evidence-based commitment to injury-prevention in the tackle

I am in favour of the trial and should be given a chance and see the results in the upcoming season.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby Working Class Rugger » Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 00:01

Thomas wrote:What does everyone think about this new trial law?

https://www.worldrugby.org/news/351855
World Rugby approves RFU tackle height trial as part of wider evidence-based commitment to injury-prevention in the tackle

I am in favour of the trial and should be given a chance and see the results in the upcoming season.


A lot of people are going a bit silly over this variation. Claiming the game is 'going soft' etc. Which is bullshit. It's not 'going soft' to attempt to safeguard players from future complications from CTE related issues. And it's not like you're going to miss any big hits. In fact, I was taught that tackling though the sternum with it being one of the centres of gravity on the human body was more impactful than targeting the head. So they'll still be prevalent. Players will now just need to be more conscious of their body positioning going into contact. I'm all for this measure.

If this were introduced several years back then I would have had no issues with my kid brother playing the game. But CTE has been a major worry for both my brother and I who grew up playing contact/collision sports and we didn't want it to possibly affect our kid brother (I should note. Neither of us have issues as far as we know but considering all the knocks we took over the courses of around 250 - 300 odd games it's something that weighs on your mind).

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby Thomas » Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 08:30

I totally agree on all of this, I want to know where this is heading in the long term. It is a big issue that not many people have picked up on, we are heading in a major change to the sport in terms of how to coach the Tackle and enforce correct techniques which are already in place.

It is not just the CTE but the damages to the Spinal cord and spine that are underreported as it is not as visual as a concussion.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby Tobar » Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 15:16

The issue that is happening for many NFL players - now in their 60s and 70s and played during the days before superstardom - is that they suffer from terrible headaches and depression because of this. But people don't see these because they only really focus on the current players for their teams and not 30-40 years after they retire (unless they were the star).

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby TheStroBro » Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 15:20

You ask any player, they'll tell you they'd rather have a concussion than a knee injury. The sports with the highest concussion rate in the US are...Girls Soccer and Cheerleading...but no one is out there with a War on cheerleading, but Bryant Gumble has already started the war on soccer.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 27 Jul 2018, 06:33

TheStroBro wrote:The sports with the highest concussion rate in the US are...Girls Soccer and Cheerleading...


That's really surprising. Do you have a source for that? That's actually something to talk to parents to worried to let their kids play rugby.
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 05 Oct 2018, 08:23

REMEMBER THIS :?:

Image

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Game sheet >> http://en.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/match/294986.html

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Just discovered that WR had acted on this in good stead

They have issued Law application guidelines
re: Uncontested Scrums | December 2017
https://laws.worldrugby.org/?domain=9&guideline=11

Look at Scenario 2

This means that so-called FRENCH LAW was adopted GLOBALLY

ie if you cause uncontested scrums via front-rower's SB | RC
you are left with 13 men and
should align 8 of them in scrum leaving just 5 backs vs 7 opponents

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This, of course, caused protests from some quarters

RFU :!: even claimed that such a reduction would be too HARSH

But WR smartly quashed their concerns on 8 February 2018
https://laws.worldrugby.org/?domain=10& ... ation=1024

mentioning even WELSH shenanigans

An example of manipulation of the laws is
the circumstances of the Wales v Georgia during the 2017 Autumn Internationals.


and concluding that

A greater concern for us would be if a World Cup Final was decided by
tactical manipulation of the front row replacement and Uncontested scrum laws.


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GREAT NEWS indeed ... but shame on me for NOT knowing that
ALL the top RUGBY in 2018 is being played under those FAIR rules

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I'm curious if Unions | National Teams | top clubs knew about those
GUIDELINES and CLARIFICATIONS :!:

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 19 Oct 2018, 16:19

BREAK THROUGH :!:

For the first time in IRFB | iRB | WR history:

Laws in GERMAN >> https://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/W ... 018_DE.pdf

Now they need Hindi, Bengali and Arabic translations

Brazilian, I guess, not ready yet -- as Xhosa and Dutch

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby frakturfreak » Fri, 19 Oct 2018, 19:50

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:BREAK THROUGH :!:

For the first time in IRFB | iRB | WR history:

Laws in GERMAN >> https://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/W ... 018_DE.pdf

Now they need Hindi, Bengali and Arabic translations

Brazilian, I guess, not ready yet -- as Xhosa and Dutch

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I wonder if the translators had no unterstanding of German orthography.

They’ve translated *scrum zone* as *Gedränge Zone* in the definitions section when it should be Gedrängezone or even better Gedrängebereich.

Also it seems like, they might have had input from German referees, but it looks those have used the English book to often.

Else I can’t unterstand all those untranslated terms for which there are perfectly fine German terms, like ruck, maul and mark. Which would be offenes Gedränge, Paket and Marke.

Lastly they could’ve been a bit more progessive and used the capital ẞ in REGELVERSTÖẞE.

Otherwise, I’m happy, that there is a German version of the Laws now.

I hope they’ll rework it for the next year.

Lastly they’ve invented the principle of “air play” in the translation of the Foreword in the PDF.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 20 Oct 2018, 17:14

I assume translators were either not German or alien to rugby

When a global body starts such an ambitious project
it should contact native rugby Union | folks

This sorry example once again showcases
Dublin's arrogant stance towards T2 world

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby RugbyLiebe » Sat, 20 Oct 2018, 18:00

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:I assume translators were either not German or alien to rugby

When a global body starts such an ambitious project
it should contact native rugby Union | folks

This sorry example once again showcases
Dublin's arrogant stance towards T2 world

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Translator was actually the German Ref Association (SDRV), according to their facebook page. It was by their initiative and there might be one or two orthography mistakes in it. But that's still a milestone for German rugby. Great work.

@Flidta Risxva, this is not "alien to rugby" this is an argument between purists and progressives. German words for some rugby things are extremely old (some 150+ year) and some do sound strange. A lot of regional federations don't use them. I honestly think that "maul", "ruck" and "mark" (this one I actually never even heard before as "Marke") are used way more than the old German words. I think, some small mistakes aside, they did a great job.

On their facebook page, there is only one single negative comment and 20-30 positive ones.
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 20 Oct 2018, 18:34

So, it's actually first German Lawbook?

Or older versions were translated before?

(( Since 1990 I have done this 6 times into Georgian:
3 for Union, 1 for League, Handball and Futsal ))

I remember Chris Thau's article saying that
Romanian Peter Ianus'evici wrote
first German Manual in around 1995

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby frakturfreak » Sat, 20 Oct 2018, 19:57

There was an unofficial translation of the 2009 laws, not officially sanctioned by the IRB.

It still can be downloaded at https://www.drvreferees.de/images/sdrv/laws/RegelnGesamt.pdf

And this version was written in the German terms I talked about. The usage of the English terms is kind of a self-fulfilling prophesy, if the only official version of the laws you can use is written in English and all the coaches and a large player base is English speaking, of course you’d use the English terms.

Also I find Maul especially disturbing in the German version of the law book without an IPA guide of its pronounciation.

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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%

Postby victorsra » Sat, 20 Oct 2018, 20:20

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:
Brazilian, I guess, not ready yet -- as Xhosa and Dutch

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It is bizarre. If it is ready before 2020 it is luck. CBRu definitly doesn't care.
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