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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby STMKY » Sun, 03 Dec 2017, 19:40

See in Australian websites, they want to play from July to October. 12-week tournament (10 rounds + semi-finals and final). This is the ideal time for Siberian clubs. Between June tests and Challenge Cup.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sun, 03 Dec 2017, 20:27

STMKY wrote:See in Australian websites, they want to play from July to October. 12-week tournament (10 rounds + semi-finals and final). This is the ideal time for Siberian clubs. Between June tests and Challenge Cup.


They were looking at two windows. The July - October was one of them but the preferred window of both Rugby Australia and World Rugby was April - July.

Still better weather months than the current European schedule.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby STMKY » Mon, 04 Dec 2017, 07:45

In any case, if the calendar does not intersect with Challenge Cup \ Continental Shield, then I think that Enisei and Krasny Yar will want to join this new league. It's much better than playing in Russian Championship.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Mon, 04 Dec 2017, 09:57

STMKY wrote:In any case, if the calendar does not intersect with Challenge Cup \ Continental Shield, then I think that Enisei and Krasny Yar will want to join this new league. It's much better than playing in Russian Championship.


And I think they may be open to Russian participation. But it would need some kind of local backing.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 05 Dec 2017, 01:49

I would imagine you'd have to have both Krasny and Ensei involved to make it viable. It's a long trip for one game of rugby. If you have both clubs involved a team can play them both at home on consecutive weekends.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Tue, 05 Dec 2017, 01:54

thatrugbyguy wrote:I would imagine you'd have to have both Krasny and Ensei involved to make it viable. It's a long trip for one game of rugby. If you have both clubs involved a team can play them both at home on consecutive weekends.


Or just have the team run out of the central stadium.

But this is all speculation particularly with news emerging of the stalling tactics RA are employing to either frustrate or scupper the plan. Apparently Forrest is set to invest $1b over 10 years as part of his plan. I suspect RA are pissed they aren't going to be seeing any of that.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby eal22 » Tue, 05 Dec 2017, 06:00

Any chance Forrest ditches Union and puts his money in with Rugby League?

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Tue, 05 Dec 2017, 08:28

eal22 wrote:Any chance Forrest ditches Union and puts his money in with Rugby League?


No.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 05 Dec 2017, 10:13

eal22 wrote:Any chance Forrest ditches Union and puts his money in with Rugby League?


That seems an odd question.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby eal22 » Tue, 05 Dec 2017, 15:29

It is a valid question. One option mentioned in the media at least was to keep the Western Force branding and have them become an expansion NRL team. Many Western Australians wouldn't know the difference between the codes anyway. Surely if Forrest gets tired of dealing with the highly incompetent ARU, he might look at other options? Or is he a Union man through-and-through?

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Tue, 05 Dec 2017, 20:59

eal22 wrote:It is a valid question. One option mentioned in the media at least was to keep the Western Force branding and have them become an expansion NRL team. Many Western Australians wouldn't know the difference between the codes anyway. Surely if Forrest gets tired of dealing with the highly incompetent ARU, he might look at other options? Or is he a Union man through-and-through?


From all accounts he's Rugby through and through. Played growing up at school and club afterwards. There's more of a chance of him going the rebel route than League.

Also, you'd be surprised to learn that WA for the most part do know the difference. I've lived there and they can tell the two apart. Victorians on the other hand.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby eal22 » Tue, 05 Dec 2017, 21:58

Working Class Rugger wrote:
eal22 wrote:It is a valid question. One option mentioned in the media at least was to keep the Western Force branding and have them become an expansion NRL team. Many Western Australians wouldn't know the difference between the codes anyway. Surely if Forrest gets tired of dealing with the highly incompetent ARU, he might look at other options? Or is he a Union man through-and-through?


From all accounts he's Rugby through and through. Played growing up at school and club afterwards. There's more of a chance of him going the rebel route than League.

Also, you'd be surprised to learn that WA for the most part do know the difference. I've lived there and they can tell the two apart. Victorians on the other hand.


Glad to know West Australians are a bit more knowledgeable. Victorians seem to know nothing other than AFL.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Tue, 05 Dec 2017, 22:15

eal22 wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
eal22 wrote:It is a valid question. One option mentioned in the media at least was to keep the Western Force branding and have them become an expansion NRL team. Many Western Australians wouldn't know the difference between the codes anyway. Surely if Forrest gets tired of dealing with the highly incompetent ARU, he might look at other options? Or is he a Union man through-and-through?


From all accounts he's Rugby through and through. Played growing up at school and club afterwards. There's more of a chance of him going the rebel route than League.

Also, you'd be surprised to learn that WA for the most part do know the difference. I've lived there and they can tell the two apart. Victorians on the other hand.


Glad to know West Australians are a bit more knowledgeable. Victorians seem to know nothing other than AFL.


West Australian media is dominated primarily by AFL as well but nothing to the extent it is in Victoria. They are at least willing to provide air time to other sports. At least from my experience in the state. The game certainly has a presence and you'd be hard pressed to find a local who didn't know who the Force were. That and the difference between the two. Maybe in the country regions but frankly, very few people live outside of the South-West of the state and a few towns up north.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 05 Dec 2017, 23:18

eal22 wrote:It is a valid question. One option mentioned in the media at least was to keep the Western Force branding and have them become an expansion NRL team. Many Western Australians wouldn't know the difference between the codes anyway. Surely if Forrest gets tired of dealing with the highly incompetent ARU, he might look at other options? Or is he a Union man through-and-through?


There’s a common misconception West Australians don’t know the difference. They do. Western Australia has been the third largest rugby state for decades. Western Force becoming an NRL team was never on the cards, not just because Forrest has no interest in League, but the NRL clubs would have vetoed such a move. The NRL might be pro expansion but the clubs aren’t.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby sk 88 » Thu, 07 Dec 2017, 13:29

ARU being a road block to progress again. Demanding control even though they have no stake in the game. National unions should have little to no place in running pro rugby in their countries.

http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/ ... -roadblock

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby 4N » Thu, 07 Dec 2017, 13:32

The ARU are out of touch and will continue to harm the union code there. The Wallabies brand has shrunk substantially since RWC 2003.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 08 Dec 2017, 02:02

I suspect scheduling is the issue. The ARU don't want the IPRC on at the same time as Super Rugby. The thing is there's an easy solution given the time zone differences. Just schedule the games so there's no overlap.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Fri, 08 Dec 2017, 02:10

thatrugbyguy wrote:I suspect scheduling is the issue. The ARU don't want the IPRC on at the same time as Super Rugby. The thing is there's an easy solution given the time zone differences. Just schedule the games so there's no overlap.


They provided both RA and WR with two options in regards to window. One running during SR and one after. Apparently it was the preference of both from it to run concurrently with Super Rugby.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby sk 88 » Fri, 08 Dec 2017, 16:43

thatrugbyguy wrote:I suspect scheduling is the issue. The ARU don't want the IPRC on at the same time as Super Rugby. The thing is there's an easy solution given the time zone differences. Just schedule the games so there's no overlap.



Given they closed them down as unworkable it seems a bit rich to now be concerned at the competition! If they thought the area had a future why did they shut them down? :lol: :lol: :x

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby eal22 » Fri, 08 Dec 2017, 20:03

I think the ARU are doing all they can to stop this competition getting off the ground. The last thing they want is someone like Forrest involved in the game as they know he has more money than the entire ARU organisation. The ARU will play this charade for a while, keep bullshitting WA, and eventually this whole Asian league will die before it even began.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby sk 88 » Fri, 08 Dec 2017, 20:46

Its pretty much the most "rugby" thing I've ever heard of. Where does Aussie rugby need to develop? In Australia's burgeoning asian communities and in Perth. Where does a philanthropist propose to spend huge amounts of money promoting rugby? Perth and in asia. What do the ARU do? Fuck him about and demand control of the comp so it never happens.

The whole idea that you need union authorisation to run a league is a farce. You see this in too many countries. Rugby's got to get better at keeping these guys in the tent and helping than out side and seeing the only way in as tearing it down!

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Fri, 08 Dec 2017, 20:49

If South Africans get out of Super Rugby by 2020, Oceania will run to Asia.
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Fri, 08 Dec 2017, 23:20

sk 88 wrote:Its pretty much the most "rugby" thing I've ever heard of. Where does Aussie rugby need to develop? In Australia's burgeoning asian communities and in Perth. Where does a philanthropist propose to spend huge amounts of money promoting rugby? Perth and in asia. What do the ARU do? Fuck him about and demand control of the comp so it never happens.

The whole idea that you need union authorisation to run a league is a farce. You see this in too many countries. Rugby's got to get better at keeping these guys in the tent and helping than out side and seeing the only way in as tearing it down!


Forrest does have another option here. And that is offshoring it. Set up somewhere in Asia and run with it. RA has just recently signed all the Force IP back over to RugbyWA and dropped all claims. They could easily make the jump.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby eal22 » Sat, 09 Dec 2017, 17:19

The ARU don't even seem to be hiding the fact that they are just the Eastern Australian Rugby Union.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 10 Dec 2017, 02:17

The reality is Forrest has the money to lure over all the top line talent from the Super Rugby teams for his new league. The ARU are playing with fire IMO by not sanctioning this league already, if they think the situation with players heading to the Europe and Japan is a problem now, a billionaire (with some friends who are potentially of equal worth) setting up shop domestically is going to make the situation worse. Getting a contract to play in Europe means having to take the family with you and move your whole life overseas, but a contract near Perth suddenly makes travel and distance from home less of an issue. If the ARU want to pony up some cash to help then I've got no issue with them having a say in how the competition is run, but they're kidding themselves if they think they can demand control when someone else is footing the bill. Any governing body would happily let someone else pay to develop their sport, but not the ARU.

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