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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 06 Nov 2017, 06:21

Working Class Rugger wrote:They are working for eligibility for all Aus players within the entire structure as opposed to just the Force. Which to be honest makes the most sense in my opinion. Even if (when) the other four franchises jump across in the aftermath of SR's collapse it should remain as so. Can only present us with more depth which can never hurt.


It would be the correct call to make. There's no point denying Australians opportunities in franchises outside of the country when it would be a domestic league. But yeah, Tahs, Reds, Brumbies and Rebs all make the jump for the 2021 season.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Thomas » Mon, 06 Nov 2017, 07:49

if the Force joins an Asian League? Will the other OZ franchises decide to jump in 2021 will they pay the piper?( Forrest?) will the ARU come cap in hand asking to be forgiven given the ARU is literally bankrupt?

A lot of big if's after the world cup... too many unknowns to quote a famous politician :D

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Mon, 06 Nov 2017, 08:11

How can the Force retain their players if it doesn't start until 2019? I think this makes the project more challenging.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby sk 88 » Mon, 06 Nov 2017, 08:37

thatrugbyguy wrote:Competition won't start until 2019 now. Now looks like only Western Force players might remain eligible for the Wallabies. So that gives the IPRC a good 18 months to get its house in order and develop its 5 other teams, and start generating support from where ever the teams are going to be. So the fact this is going to be played during the same period as Super Rugby is interesting. If the Aussie SR teams breakaway and join IPRC then the transition is going to be smooth


I really hope the ARU aren't that stupid.

They are trying to build a league here and to build a league you need some sort of parity, or at least an earned advantage. If you can't have Aussie's playing across the league to raise the standard you just get Super Rugby mk.II except with Australia in the boring NZ role.

I really dislike this protectionist and nationalist streak in rugby where the administrators seem to hate letting the players play where they like.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby eal22 » Tue, 07 Nov 2017, 22:17

I am willing to bet this league never gets off the ground.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Tue, 07 Nov 2017, 22:26

eal22 wrote:I am willing to bet this league never gets off the ground.


Will be sanctioned by WR, is approved by RA. I reckon it will.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 07 Nov 2017, 22:49

I'm 99% sure this will happen. Too many meetings have taken place for this to be just pie in the sky stuff.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby kush123 » Wed, 08 Nov 2017, 02:06

Let's admit in here other than few stats shown of the TV viewership of WC finals & some AB games , in domestic level & even in international level Rugby is a very unpopular sport in the world .This is mainly due to Asia the 60% world population don't follow this sport like others . Now go and take a look at the support given by each and every Rugby Unions in Asia for IPRC . So If anybody thinks that WR will say no to this tournament which they could advertise the game in Asia without spending a penny I think you are pretty much wrong .

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby kush123 » Wed, 08 Nov 2017, 02:12

kush123 wrote:Let's admit in here other than few stats shown of the TV viewership of WC finals & some AB games , in domestic level & even in international level Rugby is a very unpopular sport in the world .This is mainly due to Asia the 60% world population don't follow this sport like others . Now go and take a look at the support given by each and every Rugby Unions in Asia for IPRC . So If anybody thinks that WR will say no to this tournament which they could advertise the game in Asia without spending a penny I think you are pretty much wrong .


Having said that WR works in very bizarre manner sometimes . remember to develop the game in Asia they removed the automatic WC qualification spot Asia had in a WC that also going to be hosted in Asia :lol: .. so.... :lol:

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 08 Nov 2017, 02:20

The fact World Rugby sanctioned Pro Rugby should indicate they are quite happy for someone to spend a truck load of money on their behalf.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby iul » Wed, 08 Nov 2017, 07:44

https://www.asiarugby.com/2017/11/05/in ... mpionship/
Some details about the meeting they had recently

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Wed, 22 Nov 2017, 09:58

Today's media release from the IPRC group. Most interestingly. They will be running both men's and women's 15s. With the women opening the proceedings and the men closing them. This is a big win in my books and pretty much secures my support. Will also be running an independent 7s circuit.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby NaBUru38 » Fri, 24 Nov 2017, 20:52

Instead of having separate men's and women's sevens series, I would like a combined format, where each match features two quarters with the men's team, and two quarters with the women's team.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Fri, 24 Nov 2017, 21:44

NaBUru38 wrote:Instead of having separate men's and women's sevens series, I would like a combined format, where each match features two quarters with the men's team, and two quarters with the women's team.


I suspect that's actually how it will be set up.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby beber » Fri, 01 Dec 2017, 22:25

What about Krasny Yar and Enisei who are geographically in Asia?
There is only 1 hour jetlag between Krasnoyarsk and Perth (but no direct flights apparently...)

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Fri, 01 Dec 2017, 23:36

beber wrote:What about Krasny Yar and Enisei who are geographically in Asia?
There is only 1 hour jetlag between Krasnoyarsk and Perth (but no direct flights apparently...)


It certainly would fit in with the time zones of the competition. But the no direct flights would be inhibiting. Certainly if someone(s) were keen to come to the party in terms of funding a team with flights it would be an interesting proposition. Not quite 'Indo-Pacific' but not sure how important that would be going forward.

The competition window that has been set for the competition certainly would work out in terms of weather. Much warmer in the months the competition is scheduled.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 02 Dec 2017, 02:05

What's the quickest route to Krasnoyarsk from Perth?
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sat, 02 Dec 2017, 02:07

thatrugbyguy wrote:What's the quickest route to Krasnoyarsk from Perth?


The shortest route I found was 22h 40m via both Beijing and Thailand. They'd have to be able to organise something a little more convenient in order to make such an entrant would be somewhat viable. I think if they could find the backing and address the travel issue then a Russian entrant wouldn't be that terrible an idea in my opinion. Certainly add something to the competition and if it contained the majority of the Russian national team it would be reasonably compeitive from the word go.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 02 Dec 2017, 02:09

Quickest route I found to Krasnoyarsk from Perth is two stops via Guangzhou and Beijing, nearly a 23 hour trip.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby sammo » Sat, 02 Dec 2017, 09:28

20h 45min through Beijing and Denpasar Bali. This fixture and the return leg would have to be done as part of a run of away games. Would need some complex and thorough fixture-making

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sat, 02 Dec 2017, 10:06

sammo wrote:20h 45min through Beijing and Denpasar Bali. This fixture and the return leg would have to be done as part of a run of away games. Would need some complex and thorough fixture-making


It's unlikely we'll ever see it. But its interesting to speculate.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Sables4EVA » Sun, 03 Dec 2017, 07:29

Working Class Rugger wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:What's the quickest route to Krasnoyarsk from Perth?


The shortest route I found was 22h 40m via both Beijing and Thailand. They'd have to be able to organise something a little more convenient in order to make such an entrant would be somewhat viable. I think if they could find the backing and address the travel issue then a Russian entrant wouldn't be that terrible an idea in my opinion. Certainly add something to the competition and if it contained the majority of the Russian national team it would be reasonably compeitive from the word go.


I don't see what the problem is regarding having to go via a stop over rather than a direct flight. In Africa it is practically standard to have to go through at least 1 stop on the way to games, either through Johannesburg, Nairobi or Addis Ababa, on all continental games.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby STMKY » Sun, 03 Dec 2017, 13:53

And what time is this tournament? Because of the Siberian weather in Krasnoyarsk, you can play between April and October. From November to March, you can not risk, otherwise there is a chance to see the temperature -20C as Connacht in 2015 :)

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sun, 03 Dec 2017, 18:27

STMKY wrote:And what time is this tournament? Because of the Siberian weather in Krasnoyarsk, you can play between April and October. From November to March, you can not risk, otherwise there is a chance to see the temperature -20C as Connacht in 2015 :)


April - July.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby STMKY » Sun, 03 Dec 2017, 19:14

Working Class Rugger wrote:
April - July.

Theoretically, this is possible. But you need a window for the June test matches. Also the playoffs of the Continental Shield (2 games in April and 1 game in May). If there is an opportunity to combine the Challenge Cup \ Continental Shield and Asian tournament, that is, the Enisei and Krasny Yar can abandon the Russian championship (play there reserve teams), play only in the Challenge Cup \ Continental Shield and new Asian tournament.

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