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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby NaBUru38 » Fri, 31 Aug 2018, 21:08

TheStroBro wrote: Eventually professionalism in the Southern Hemisphere will collapse unless you start filling the stadiums.

Well, if TV numbers are fine, perhaps not. But'having empty stadiums is a sign of disinterest in the sport.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby SallesNeto_BR » Sun, 02 Sep 2018, 03:35

iul wrote:It's kind if weird how little faith the South Africans have in themselves. They have the biggest TV deal both in SR and in Pro14, yet they're scared to go at it alone and keep putting their teams in these multinational competitions. Why not get rid of the SR sides completely and make the Currie Cup their main competition and make it home and away.


I agree with you. They could create a great internal competition, or even inviting Argentinian franchinsings (or even some African rising country).

Something like a 7 SA + Jaguares + Rosário + Nairobi franchisings home and away league would be terrific.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Sun, 02 Sep 2018, 13:24

They would keep losing players to Europe.

They are probably betting on big international sponsorship and broadcast contracts, not in Rands. Unfortunatly Argentina is broken. It is not a conmercial alternative.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Tobar » Sun, 02 Sep 2018, 14:22

Yeah there’s really not much money in SA alone. Lots of money came from playing against NZers.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sun, 02 Sep 2018, 14:30

NaBUru38 wrote:
TheStroBro wrote: Eventually professionalism in the Southern Hemisphere will collapse unless you start filling the stadiums.

Well, if TV numbers are fine, perhaps not. But'having empty stadiums is a sign of disinterest in the sport.


Super Rugby is still the best attended league compared to the other big three. We just tend to play in bigger stadiums for the most part which hurts the look 9f the crowd. That's not to say it couldn't be healthier in that department.

TV viewership is the big one here. Which was up marginally this season. Still not great but steady.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sun, 02 Sep 2018, 14:32

Tobar wrote:Yeah there’s really not much money in SA alone. Lots of money came from playing against NZers.


The SA money contribution is a bit conflated. It takes a lot of Rand to equal 1 USD. And there's a whole lot less available on the sponsorship side of the equation.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Tobar » Sun, 02 Sep 2018, 14:46

Like you I’ve never understood why the focus was always on South Africa for the TV deal. Australia has a much better economy and stronger dollar. I believe it’s about $.75 US. Sure it’s a more crowded sports market but so is the US and we manage to do just fine.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby RugbyLiebe » Sun, 02 Sep 2018, 17:51

Tobar wrote:Like you I’ve never understood why the focus was always on South Africa for the TV deal. Australia has a much better economy and stronger dollar. I believe it’s about $.75 US. Sure it’s a more crowded sports market but so is the US and we manage to do just fine.


20 Million people living in Australia is the answer to your question. Rugby Union is the number 5 sport after AFL, NRL, Soccer and cricket. They are doing extremely well.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Thomas » Sun, 02 Sep 2018, 18:54

Closer to 25 million, the 2 main Rugby States are NSW and QLD followed by WA. the other have very small Rugby Union representation.

Western Australia has 2 1/2 Million and the main sports are AFL and Cricket. hence the ARU's problems are quantified. is just not about the TV Deal..

I remember growing up Western Sydney was Rugby League turf now you have AFL and Football (soccer) with professional setups. RU has been caught asleep at the wheel.

Cricket is still still the National sport in the summer nothing rivals it.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 09 Sep 2018, 09:46

AFL really hasn't done much in Western Sydney despite what propaganda they try to say. The reality is Rugby was always an Eastern Suburbs sport in Sydney and the West has been neglected for decades. Hopefully Forrest delivers on his promise for WSR and gets a team set up in Wester Sydney. The new Parramatta Stadium is due to open next year, so the team has a home waiting for them.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 14 Sep 2018, 02:04

Western Sydney team given the ARU approval.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 503md.html

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Tobar » Fri, 14 Sep 2018, 03:53

Honestly surprised that RA is getting behind WSR. I expected them to fully resist it as much as possible.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 14 Sep 2018, 03:57

If someone else can foot the bill for the areas they are knowingly neglecting they are happy to let them do it. Frankly, they don't have a choice but to support it.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby TheStroBro » Fri, 14 Sep 2018, 04:38

thatrugbyguy wrote:If someone else can foot the bill for the areas they are knowingly neglecting they are happy to let them do it. Frankly, they don't have a choice but to support it.

Obviously Twiggy must have cut them a check.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Fri, 14 Sep 2018, 04:43

TheStroBro wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:If someone else can foot the bill for the areas they are knowingly neglecting they are happy to let them do it. Frankly, they don't have a choice but to support it.

Obviously Twiggy must have cut them a check.


A $4m cheque. Which will go into development works in Western Sydney which is a severely under served region that has desperately needed more resources injected into it. I'm from the region and I can tell you it's a huge untapped talent pool. Lots of our best athletes across many sports are born and raised here.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 14 Sep 2018, 04:58

And large Pacific island population out that way too.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Fri, 14 Sep 2018, 05:03

thatrugbyguy wrote:And large Pacific island population out that way too.


There's that as well.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Fri, 14 Sep 2018, 05:06

RugbyLiebe wrote:
Tobar wrote:Like you I’ve never understood why the focus was always on South Africa for the TV deal. Australia has a much better economy and stronger dollar. I believe it’s about $.75 US. Sure it’s a more crowded sports market but so is the US and we manage to do just fine.


20 Million people living in Australia is the answer to your question. Rugby Union is the number 5 sport after AFL, NRL, Soccer and cricket. They are doing extremely well.


It's 25m people and it actually has a sports entertainment market that is prepared to pay good money for a product it see's value in. If Rugby were brave enough in the early 90s to developed it's own domestic league here and was able to put up a good product the market saw value in the money equation would be entirely different.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 14 Sep 2018, 09:44

Working Class Rugger wrote:
RugbyLiebe wrote:
Tobar wrote:Like you I’ve never understood why the focus was always on South Africa for the TV deal. Australia has a much better economy and stronger dollar. I believe it’s about $.75 US. Sure it’s a more crowded sports market but so is the US and we manage to do just fine.


20 Million people living in Australia is the answer to your question. Rugby Union is the number 5 sport after AFL, NRL, Soccer and cricket. They are doing extremely well.


It's 25m people and it actually has a sports entertainment market that is prepared to pay good money for a product it see's value in. If Rugby were brave enough in the early 90s to developed it's own domestic league here and was able to put up a good product the market saw value in the money equation would be entirely different.


That's another story, what they could have done more.
But if you look at were they came from against two well established sports leagues, which somehow managed to break in the other markets around the same time (AFL to NSW, NRL with less success outside of NSW, Queensland) they've done okay, coming from a solely amateur set-up. Not brilliant, bad not completely bad.
Sorry for not realizing that Australia nearly grew by 25% in the last 10 years. Unbelievable (and well deserved, a great country it definitely is).
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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