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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby sk 88 » Sat, 12 Oct 2019, 12:12

about 5 of the current squad played for the Drua this season. I'd imagine that number will be relatively stable as there will always be lots of Fijians playing in Europe.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Sat, 12 Oct 2019, 12:22

When GRR was launched I really thought China would host one team, as they were talking about professional rugby and $100million investment and whatever crazy thing...
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Tiernster » Sat, 12 Oct 2019, 14:00

Should really pool resources and make a club competing all year. Kind of like South African clubs do with Currie cup, would improve their quality and make it a sustainable pro club that super rugby may find tough to ignore

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Tiernster » Sat, 12 Oct 2019, 15:03

Would be exactly like the force actually

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 07:08

Teams (well all but one) and fixtures for next season have been announced. As well as prize money. Force, Tigers, Valke, Fiji and Samoa (now known as the Manuma and with the endorsement of the Samoan Union playing out of Samoa itself.). As alluded to, there's a 6th 'Team Asia' (which is just a place holder) to be announced. Rumours suggest possibly based out of Shanghai.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 08:38

There is information that clubs Krasnoyarsk have been negotiating for participation in League since 2021.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Tobar » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 13:56

Working Class Rugger wrote:Teams (well all but one) and fixtures for next season have been announced. As well as prize money. Force, Tigers, Valke, Fiji and Samoa (now known as the Manuma and with the endorsement of the Samoan Union playing out of Samoa itself.). As alluded to, there's a 6th 'Team Asia' (which is just a place holder) to be announced. Rumours suggest possibly based out of Shanghai.


Is the Valke just going to be a bunch of South Africans or will they actually have local players? I want the best players but don’t want to just import players that won’t help these unions involved.

Vova12 wrote:There is information that clubs Krasnoyarsk have been negotiating for participation in League since 2021.


Makes more sense than trying to resurrect the Continental Shield, especially because that was never that good to begin with. Will be far travels for the Islanders - Russia though that can be worked around.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 17:11

Tobar wrote:
Makes more sense than trying to resurrect the Continental Shield, especially because that was never that good to begin with. Will be far travels for the Islanders - Russia though that can be worked around.

Distance from Krasnoyarsk to Lisbon is two times greater than to Tokyo. This will not be a big problem. Challenge Cap has become a complete crap, now one T2 team will be invited by tournament organizers.
Romania, Spain, Georgia, Germany .... then maybe they will remember about Krasnoyarsk.I hope that the Russian team will play in Asia.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby TheStroBro » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 18:41

Tobar wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:Teams (well all but one) and fixtures for next season have been announced. As well as prize money. Force, Tigers, Valke, Fiji and Samoa (now known as the Manuma and with the endorsement of the Samoan Union playing out of Samoa itself.). As alluded to, there's a 6th 'Team Asia' (which is just a place holder) to be announced. Rumours suggest possibly based out of Shanghai.


Is the Valke just going to be a bunch of South Africans or will they actually have local players? I want the best players but don’t want to just import players that won’t help these unions involved.

Vova12 wrote:There is information that clubs Krasnoyarsk have been negotiating for participation in League since 2021.


Makes more sense than trying to resurrect the Continental Shield, especially because that was never that good to begin with. Will be far travels for the Islanders - Russia though that can be worked around.


Valke had two Malaysian players in the squad when they played the Force in August. They did pretty decent, saw about 20 minutes each if I remember the night correctly.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby sk 88 » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 19:13

As the Wolfpack show, and English football too, local players are not needed to get fans behind a team. Hopefully they will be a competitive exciting team with good marketing. Those are the non-negotiables. Local player develop comes later.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby TheStroBro » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 19:53

sk 88 wrote:As the Wolfpack show, and English football too, local players are not needed to get fans behind a team. Hopefully they will be a competitive exciting team with good marketing. Those are the non-negotiables. Local player develop comes later.


English Football clubs have over 100 year history. People raise their children cradle to grave in those colors. Very similar to American College football. The Wolfpack are pretty much an anomaly. They give away most of their tickets (but the people do show up). Have made no local investment whatsoever.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 19:58

Vova12 wrote:
Tobar wrote:
Makes more sense than trying to resurrect the Continental Shield, especially because that was never that good to begin with. Will be far travels for the Islanders - Russia though that can be worked around.

Distance from Krasnoyarsk to Lisbon is two times greater than to Tokyo. This will not be a big problem. Challenge Cap has become a complete crap, now one T2 team will be invited by tournament organizers.
Romania, Spain, Georgia, Germany .... then maybe they will remember about Krasnoyarsk.I hope that the Russian team will play in Asia.


Expcept there isn't Japan in GRR and the closest city to Krasnoyarsk is Hong Kong.

Once more Vova has zero geography knowledge and a great inability of checking info.

Just search for flights time.

Krasnoyarsk -London = 12h

Krasnoyarsk-Lisbon = 14h

Krasnoyarsk'-Hong Kong = 12h

Krasnoyarsk-Perth = 32h

Krasnoyarsk-Suva = 31h

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Tobar » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:02

sk 88 wrote:As the Wolfpack show, and English football too, local players are not needed to get fans behind a team. Hopefully they will be a competitive exciting team with good marketing. Those are the non-negotiables. Local player develop comes later.


Tbh I would’ve rather had seen another Aussie NRC team play their home games in Malaysia than bring in a South Africa team. It has the added benefit of supporting Australian rugby and getting these players more professional opportunities.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby 4N » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:03

How many flights would Krasnoyarsk to Suva or Apia be? I don’t see that working out. A cup competition with Japan would obviously be more realistic.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:09

And Krasnoyarsk-Tokyo flight is 16h. More than Lisbon.

It doesn-t matter the distance. What matters is the number of flights and conexions and time total time you spend.

Siberian clubs would spend half of the week flying. Probably because it is better to go to Moscow. And from Moscow it is better to go to Europe.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:11

Krasnoyarsk has no choice but to play in Asia and hope for a supersonic passenger plane that is being developed in Russia.
They were thrown out of challenge cup. This year Yenisei plays in tournament, next couple of years organizers will definitely not invit him.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby 4N » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:13

Krasnoyarsk to Tokyo via Vladivostok would be a lot closer than that. I don’t know the exact time but they’re short flights.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:17

Vova12 wrote:Krasnoyarsk has no choice but to play in Asia and hope for a supersonic passenger plane that is being developed in Russia.
They were thrown out of challenge cup. This year Yenisei plays in tournament, next couple of years organizers will definitely not invit him.

Nobody knows what Challenge Cup will be and to travel 30h is clearly a dumb choice.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:18

Lets wait a bit, think this is one of reasons that Krasnoyarsk does not protest against transition to fall - spring calendar. By the way now in Krasnoyarsk - 19-24 C ...
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Edgar » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:19

victorsra wrote:And Krasnoyarsk-Tokyo flight is 16h. More than Lisbon.

It doesn-t matter the distance. What matters is the number of flights and conexions and time total time you spend.

Siberian clubs would spend half of the week flying. Probably because it is better to go to Moscow. And from Moscow it is better to go to Europe.


Besides, it would be more rugby leaguesque than Greece qualifying for the World Cup :lol: Sorry, Krasnoyarsk is not a serious proposition. They are trying to generate publicity of this nature because they are locked in a bitter struggle with Moscow over scheduling issues, team selections and so forth.

Shanghai would be great if done properly, but I suspect that sixth team will actually be playing out of Singapore - who were in the pilot series, and who will be loaded with foreigners. Not a bad lineup either way. I'm excited for this and genuinely think it might steer NZ & Australia in a new direction in the long run, away from SA and Argentina and toward Japan and the Pacific Islands.

ps in reply to the below comment, how is a team full of South Africans playing for a club in Asia rugby leaguesque? That's the nature of professional rugby. :roll:
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby 4N » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:22

Besides, it would be more rugby leaguesque than Greece qualifying for the World Cup


Like a team full of South Africans playing out of Malaysia you mean... :roll:

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:25

Vova12 wrote:Lets wait a bit, think this is one of reasons that Krasnoyarsk does not protest against transition to fall - spring calendar. By the way now in Krasnoyarsk - 19-24 C ...


And Japanese season is AUGUST-JANUARY.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:27

4N wrote:Krasnoyarsk to Tokyo via Vladivostok would be a lot closer than that. I don’t know the exact time but they’re short flights.


16h is the shortest flight appeared to me from Krasnoyarsk to Tokyo. Try yourself.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:35

victorsra wrote:
Vova12 wrote:Lets wait a bit, think this is one of reasons that Krasnoyarsk does not protest against transition to fall - spring calendar. By the way now in Krasnoyarsk - 19-24 C ...


And Japanese season is AUGUST-JANUARY.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby 4N » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:41

victorsra wrote:
4N wrote:Krasnoyarsk to Tokyo via Vladivostok would be a lot closer than that. I don’t know the exact time but they’re short flights.


16h is the shortest flight appeared to me from Krasnoyarsk to Tokyo. Try yourself.


Because there is limited availability on short notice I’m guessing. Try searching a year in advance.

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