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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Hernan14 » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:46

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4N wrote:Krasnoyarsk to Tokyo via Vladivostok would be a lot closer than that. I don’t know the exact time but they’re short flights.


16h is the shortest flight appeared to me from Krasnoyarsk to Tokyo. Try yourself.


That flight is because it has 2 scales, first it flies to the west (Novosibirsk) and then returning to the east to Vladivostok, I also found flights of 10 and half with the time of the scale included.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:47

Vova12 wrote:
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Vova12 wrote:Lets wait a bit, think this is one of reasons that Krasnoyarsk does not protest against transition to fall - spring calendar. By the way now in Krasnoyarsk - 19-24 C ...


And Japanese season is AUGUST-JANUARY.

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Why are you sending this?

Global Rapid Rugby is not involving Japan. The Japanese league is called Top League. It has been played from August to January except this year because of the RWC.

If you dont know this basic stuff dont talk about Asia.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:50

From very beginning i had in mind this league, not Japanese one.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 20:57

And you are either blind or dumb. We have just posted how flights from Krasnoyarsk to Perth, Suva or Apia or totaly unviable.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 21:02

Mental development not allow you to assume that in Russia there are other cities besides Krasnoyarsk?
Vladivostok for example ...
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 21:05

4N wrote:
victorsra wrote:
4N wrote:Krasnoyarsk to Tokyo via Vladivostok would be a lot closer than that. I don’t know the exact time but they’re short flights.


16h is the shortest flight appeared to me from Krasnoyarsk to Tokyo. Try yourself.


Because there is limited availability on short notice I’m guessing. Try searching a year in advance.

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Good. But 12h is London...better because of time zone but still not brilliant. I searched may 2020 and the best one was 15h. It means depending on the day you are screwed.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 21:07

From Vladivostok can fly to Perth, Suva or Apia.
From Krasnoyarsk to Vladivostok 4.5 - 5 hours to fly.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 21:08

Vova12 wrote:Mental development not allow you to assume that in Russia there are other cities besides Krasnoyarsk?
Vladivostok for example ...

Mental development doesnt allow you to search about flights from any Siberian city to South Pacific and Indic Ocean, where half of GRR teams are. Why you keep embarassing yourself?
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 21:12

Vova12 wrote:From Vladivostok can fly to Perth, Suva or Apia.
From Krasnoyarsk to Vladivostok 4.5 - 5 hours to fly.


Omg you are seriously stupid.

Find a single flight Vladivistok-Perth for less than 20h.

And for sure Vladivistok, that barely has rugby, would be good.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 21:14

Putin today in Brazil is negotiating with your President because he sees favor and receives money and fame for this.
When I write to you dont see either first, second and third ...
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 21:16

victorsra wrote:
Vova12 wrote:From Vladivostok can fly to Perth, Suva or Apia.
From Krasnoyarsk to Vladivostok 4.5 - 5 hours to fly.


Omg you are seriously stupid.

Find a single flight Vladivistok-Perth for less than 20h.

And for sure Vladivistok, that barely has rugby, would be good.

You probably think that they will have all matches in Perth ... 8-)
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 21:18

Is this the best you can say?

Use your "brain" to show how long trips from Siberia to South Pacific take and cost before loading here with dumb ideas.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 21:18

Vova12 wrote:
victorsra wrote:
Vova12 wrote:From Vladivostok can fly to Perth, Suva or Apia.
From Krasnoyarsk to Vladivostok 4.5 - 5 hours to fly.


Omg you are seriously stupid.

Find a single flight Vladivistok-Perth for less than 20h.

And for sure Vladivistok, that barely has rugby, would be good.

You probably think that they will have all matches in Perth ... 8-)


I know where all teams are located. You clearly dont. Try to find Suva and Apia.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 21:24

It is not more difficult than flying from Argentina to Australia or from Japan to South Africa ,but its too complicated for you ......
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 21:28

victorsra wrote:
I know where all teams are located. You clearly dont. Try to find Suva and Apia.
In geography you are undoubtedly strong, but this is where your talents end ...
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 21:30

Vovaclown, STOP. Open a map, Skyscanner and numbers about rugby's market in each country and THINK.

It is incredible how you keep going. We are all rugby maniacs in this forum and most of us geography nerds. You are neither. Dont try to give plain arguments. It only shows low intelligence. Stop. Seeing you struggling is only sad. Not funny anymore. Have some self respect.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Working Class Rugger » Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 00:25

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Makes more sense than trying to resurrect the Continental Shield, especially because that was never that good to begin with. Will be far travels for the Islanders - Russia though that can be worked around.

Distance from Krasnoyarsk to Lisbon is two times greater than to Tokyo. This will not be a big problem. Challenge Cap has become a complete crap, now one T2 team will be invited by tournament organizers.
Romania, Spain, Georgia, Germany .... then maybe they will remember about Krasnoyarsk.I hope that the Russian team will play in Asia.


Expcept there isn't Japan in GRR and the closest city to Krasnoyarsk is Hong Kong.

Once more Vova has zero geography knowledge and a great inability of checking info.

Just search for flights time.

Krasnoyarsk -London = 12h

Krasnoyarsk-Lisbon = 14h

Krasnoyarsk'-Hong Kong = 12h

Krasnoyarsk-Perth = 32h

Krasnoyarsk-Suva = 31h

Zero viable.


Where did you get 32 hours from. I found flights connecting through Singapore that are only 19 hours. But more importantly it only crosses one timezone. Which is the important factor in Kong distance travel.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 04:08

It's not the distance that's the issue for players, it's the jet lag that screws players up. It's far easier to cope with a timezone change of 3-4 hours more so than a timezone change of 11-12 hours. If travel to Perth to play a match at 4pm when your body thinks it's 2pm that far easier to adapt to than playing at 4pm with your body thinking it's 4am. The reason teams struggle in Super Rugby when travelling to SA or Argentina is they have to reset their bodies sleep schedule in a very short period of time.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 05:08

victorsra wrote:Vovaclown, STOP. Open a map, Skyscanner and numbers about rugby's market in each country and THINK.

It is incredible how you keep going. We are all rugby maniacs in this forum and most of us geography nerds. You are neither. Dont try to give plain arguments. It only shows low intelligence. Stop. Seeing you struggling is only sad. Not funny anymore. Have some self respect.

I respect opinion of any person, even an alternatively gifted person like you.
I just wrote that received information about negotiations of Krasnoyarsk clubs in Asia.
If you consider them idiots or want to tell them about geography, you can write to them in Krasnoyarsk.
I ready to provide you with contacts ...
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 05:25

I know that you were at 2013 World Sevens Championship. Have you been to Moscow metro? Did you see rats there?
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby STMKY » Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 06:55

All your flight data is out of date. Aeroflot has made the new airport of Krasnoyarsk a hub between Europe and Asia. From January 2020, direct flights will fly from Krasnoyarsk to Hong Kong, Shanghai and other Southeast Asian cities. Therefore, flights Krasnoyarsk-Hong Kong (4100 км) and Krasnoyarsk-Shanghai (3500 км) will be comparable to flights in the framework of the Russian Championship Krasnoyarsk-Moscow (3300 км). And flights to Malaysia and Singapore are comparable to flights to the Challenge Cup to Paris and London.

https://iz.ru/893412/aigul-khabibullina ... lnuiu-bazu

According to the head of Aeroflot Vitaly Savelyev, the Boeing 737 and Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft will be based in Krasnoyarsk - these are narrow-body models with a relatively short flight range. The location of the hub, experts say, allows the company to abandon the maintenance of long-haul aircraft. Between Krasnoyarsk and the key cities of Europe and Southeast Asia - up to 5-6 thousand km. Many narrow-body aircraft can fly at such a distance.

It is convenient for both the company and passengers. Aeroflot is likely to reduce the cost of servicing several types of aircraft. In addition, small sides can be loaded faster and sent to flights more often, which will allow travelers to choose a convenient flight or connecting time.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 09:26

Krasnoyarsk – Beijing Capital eff 29MAR20 5 weekly 737-800
SU690 KJA2120 – 0210+1PEK 73H x24
SU691 PEK0310 – 0620KJA 73H x35

Krasnoyarsk – Adler/Sochi eff 29MAR20 5 weekly 737-800
Krasnoyarsk – Ekaterinburg eff 29MAR20 1 daily SuperJet SSJ100 (Service resumption since August 1992)
Krasnoyarsk – Igarka eff 30MAR20 6 weekly SuperJet SSJ100
Krasnoyarsk – Irkutsk eff 29MAR20 2 daily SuperJet SSJ100 (Service resumption since August 1992)
Krasnoyarsk – Norilsk eff 29MAR20 2 daily 737-800/SuperJet SSJ100 (Service resumption since February 1995)
Krasnoyarsk – Novosibirsk eff 29MAR20 2 daily 737-800/SuperJet SSJ100
Krasnoyarsk – Omsk eff 29MAR20 1 daily SuperJet SSJ100
Krasnoyarsk – Simferopol eff 30MAR20 4 weekly 737-800
Krasnoyarsk – Tomsk eff 29MAR20 1 daily SuperJet SSJ100


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... et-in-s20/

So those are the routes they actually do start from Krasnoyarsk. ONE weekly flight to Beijing.
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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby sk 88 » Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 09:26

Tobar wrote:
sk 88 wrote:As the Wolfpack show, and English football too, local players are not needed to get fans behind a team. Hopefully they will be a competitive exciting team with good marketing. Those are the non-negotiables. Local player develop comes later.


Tbh I would’ve rather had seen another Aussie NRC team play their home games in Malaysia than bring in a South Africa team. It has the added benefit of supporting Australian rugby and getting these players more professional opportunities.


Yes that would probably have been preferable, but it seems the South Africans are the ones willing and available to be involved.

Do we know what stadium the KL side is using? I'm slightly surprised they are going with Malaysia as the name rather than some variant of KL.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby STMKY » Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 12:10

Let's compare the distances from Krasnoyarsk. Thanks to Aeroflot. They make Southeast Asia closer to Krasnoyarsk since 2020.

In Global Rapid Rugby.

Krasnoyarsk - Shanghai (3570 km) - direct
Krasnoyarsk - Hong Kong (4160 km) - direct
Krasnoyarsk - Kuala Lumpur (6700 km) - 1 transfer
Krasnoyarsk - Singapore (6750 km) - 1 transfer

In Russian Premier Liga

Krasnoyarsk - Novokuznetsk (750 km) - train
Krasnoyarsk - Moscow (3300 km) - direct
Krasnoyarsk - Kazan (4100 km) - 1 transfer
Krasnoyarsk - Penza (3900 km) - 1 transfer
Krasnoyarsk - Taganrog (4400 km) - 1 transfer + bus
Krasnoyarsk - Krasnodar (4500 km) - 1 transfer

In European competition, a complicated scheme. Three blocks of games:

1. Krasnoyarsk - Moscow - Krasnodar - Anapa (camp) - Krasnodar (two home matches) - Moscow - Krasnoyarsk. The total distance of 9800 km and several transfers.
2. Krasnoyarsk - Moscow - Krasnodar - Anapa (camp) - Krasnodar (home match) - Moscow - Toulouse - Castres (away match) - Toulouse - Moscow - Krasnoyarsk. The total distance of 15,700 km and several transfers.
3. Krasnoyarsk - Moscow - Sochi (camp) - Moscow - Birmingham - Worcester (away match) - Newport (away match) - Birmingham - Moscow - Krasnoyarsk. The total distance of 15,000 km and several transfers.

From these figures it is clear that the GRR for Krasnoyarsk clubs is much closer and cheaper than the Challenge Cup. Even closer than some away matches in Russia and than home matches in the Challenge Cup. Do not forget also that now part of their home games of the Premier League in cold weather, Krasnoyarsk clubs will have to play in Sochi, due to the transition to autumn-spring. And in Rapid Rugby, the calendar allows you to play home matches in Krasnoyarsk.

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Re: Western Force potentially looking for an Asian League

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 12:43

STMKY wrote:Let's compare the distances from Krasnoyarsk. Thanks to Aeroflot. They make Southeast Asia closer to Krasnoyarsk since 2020.

In Global Rapid Rugby.

Krasnoyarsk - Shanghai (3570 km) - direct
Krasnoyarsk - Hong Kong (4160 km) - direct
Krasnoyarsk - Kuala Lumpur (6700 km) - 1 transfer
Krasnoyarsk - Singapore (6750 km) - 1 transfer


Where did you get those direct connections to Shanghai and HK from? Aeroflots homepage and press release ist only listing Beijing.
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