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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby datodato » Sun, 10 Sep 2017, 21:50

I didn't knew that with Portugal and Scotland! Wow!

What happened? Couldn't watch the game.

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby Lobo » Sun, 10 Sep 2017, 22:04

It was the final match "technical commissioner" that told the referee to stop the match.

The ref did it, saying to the players that the game would be restarted.

Then, the technical commissioner said that the game was finished.

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby victorsra » Sun, 10 Sep 2017, 22:15

Interesting note: in Central and Southern Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina the winter is the dry season and the summer is when it rains more. This means that heavy rains in September in this part of the World are not that often.It is bad luck this tournament ending with that rain.
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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby Lobo » Sun, 10 Sep 2017, 23:03

victorsra wrote:Interesting note: in Central and Southern Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina the winter is the dry season and the summer is when it rains more. This means that heavy rains in September in this part of the World are not that often.It is bad luck this tournament ending with that rain.


Right, but four games in the same pitch in a very rainy day... what were they expecting? They have weather forecasts...

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby victorsra » Mon, 11 Sep 2017, 07:14

Yes, they should have split it between Punta del Este and Montevideo. But to be fair the same thing happened in 2014 and in 2016.
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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby Bogdan_DC » Mon, 11 Sep 2017, 07:16

How many minutes it was remaining from the game? I remember a game from IRB Nations Cup in Romania who was interrupt by a storm but they played the next day the reminder of the game.

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby amz » Mon, 11 Sep 2017, 07:37

I forgot completely to watch the games. Any chance to see somewhere the replays of the finals? All matches look very interesting, finally Canada with a win, Chile defeated Fiji

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby suofficer » Mon, 11 Sep 2017, 09:48

So the FPR have submitted a complaint

http://fpr.pt/comunicado-13/

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby Lobo » Mon, 11 Sep 2017, 14:32

Lighting or lightning?

After 5 minutes, we were informed that the game had been given as finished, for security reasons, due to the thunderstorm and huge rain. At our insistence, we were also told that it would not be worth waiting any longer, because the stadium lights were not enough to illuminate a game, in the night that was beginning to fall. And we were told that, for logistical reasons, it would be impossible to resume the game the next day.


The fact is that Japan won, so, congrats to them.

About the organisation, they were very reckless, since they knew, with a few days of advance, what weather to expect.

And regarding "not enough to illuminate a game, in the night that was beginning to fall": what if the weather was not that bad and extra time had to be played?

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby Lobo » Mon, 11 Sep 2017, 15:11

On rugby and lightning:

http://playerwelfare.worldrugby.org/?subsection=67

One last information: thundershowers during the whole Sunday were forecasted.

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby Thomas » Mon, 11 Sep 2017, 15:36

According to the World Rugby Site the matched was called off in the 64 Minute, I understand Referee regulations if the match is called after 60 minutes the result will stand if stopped before 60 minutes it would have to be replayed.

Since I am not there according to the regulations if there is a suitable alternative pitch reasonably available it must be continued on that other pitch; the time at which the game was halted is irrelevant. Note that the referee is the sole judge of time.

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby Lobo » Mon, 11 Sep 2017, 15:43

I understand Referee regulations if the match is called after 60 minutes the result will stand if stopped before 60 minutes it would have to be replayed.


First time I hear that. Do you have a link, please?

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 11 Sep 2017, 18:21

Great performance by Uruguay and Chile.
Poor performance by Fiji and Canada.

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There were lightnings in the late afternoon. The decision to stop the final was correct.

Perhaps the game wasn't posponed to Monday because teams returned that day, but I don't know for sure.

victorsra wrote:Interesting note: in Central and Southern Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina the winter is the dry season and the summer is when it rains more. This means that heavy rains in September in this part of the World are not that often.It is bad luck this tournament ending with that rain.


Not correct. In Uruguay, rains are about 1000-1400 mm per year, but there's no regular pattern. These storms are nothing unusual, be it in early September or any other week of the year.

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby armchair_expert » Mon, 11 Sep 2017, 18:43

2013 IRB Nations Cup @ Bucharest: Russia v Italy A: match suspended at 70th minute because of lightning, play resumed 15 minutes later when lightnings were over
2014 IRB Nations Cup @ Bucharest: Emerging Ireland v Russia: match suspended at 49th minute because of lightning, after a 40 minute break both teams agreed to not to resume playing, result at 49th minute was final

yesterday the referee already got it wrong when he did not stop the match immediately after a first lightning: he only stopped it several minutes later after interference from the match commisionner

if the match is called after 60 minutes the result will stand if stopped before 60 minutes it would have to be replayed.

global Laws does not regulate it - different tournaments have different regulations about postponement/abandonement of matches

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby amz » Mon, 11 Sep 2017, 18:49

Was also an Nations Cup match Romania - Uruguay resumed after a break, I think last year.

As much as I don't like the outcome of the final, especially one not played until the end, the player's welfare is one of the main principles and should have priority.

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby victorsra » Mon, 11 Sep 2017, 19:03

Not correct. In Uruguay, rains are about 1000-1400 mm per year, but there's no regular pattern. These storms are nothing unusual, be it in early September or any other week of the year.

Yes, you are right. I am checking again and Uruguay has more evenly distributed rains than Southeast Brazil.
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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby Lobo » Mon, 11 Sep 2017, 19:12

Lightnings can be very dangerous.

But even without them, the game should be stopped, cause in some areas of the pitch some cms of rain water were above the mud. In Portugal, at least the very old ones, know that it's an extremely dangerous situation.

No more than two games should had place at that field that day, cause everyone knew how the weather was going to be. And no game should be played so late in the afternoon, cause of the week lights of the stadium. I keep thinking of what decisions would be made if extra time(s) would be needed. It seems that no one thought about it.

Japan won it and congrats to them. Unfortunately, the organisation was not at the required level.

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby Thomas » Mon, 11 Sep 2017, 19:50

I never said it was the Laws games I say Referee regulations which is different.

Here are 3 different links including WR

For Europe is here

http://www.epcrugby.com/europeanrugbych ... /rules.php

. ABANDONMENT
7.1 Where a match is abandoned after 60 minutes or more, the result will stand.

7.2 Where a match is abandoned after fewer than 60 minutes, (a) if both clubs and the EPCR Board agree, the result will stand, or (b) the match will be replayed in full no earlier than 48 hours after kick-off of the abandoned match (unless both clubs and EPCR agree otherwise), with both clubs entitled to select new teams.

In London:
Rule 8:
ABANDONED MATCHES
8.1 Weather Conditions (which shall be deemed to include bad light in the sole opinion of the referee)

Less than 50 Minutes Played

In the event of the abandonment then both teams will use their best endeavours to ensure that the match is played at the earliest possible date. If the teams cannot agree, the match shall be played at time, date and venue as specified by the Organiser.
50 or more Minutes Played

If a match is abandoned because of weather conditions when fifty or more minutes have been played, then the score at the moment of abandonment shall stand and be deemed the final score in the match. The Referee’s decision as to the necessity for abandonment and the number of minutes played at the moment of abandonment shall be final.

This is also in WR Rules who abandoned the match on 65th Minute: http://www.worldrugby.org/u20/news/279476

The tournament rules are here
Cancelled and abandoned matches

In the interests of the teams, the commencement of matches at the scheduled time shall be the first priority in all instances. However, in circumstances deemed necessary by World Rugby, matches may need to be delayed, postponed, abandoned, or cancelled. All decisions in this regard shall be communicated to teams by the match commissioner.

Apart from the wilful abandonment of a match and subsequent expulsion in the event of a match having to be stopped after its commencement under the provisions of the laws of the game, then subject to confirmation by the Disputes Committee, the following procedure shall apply:

(a) Where a match has been abandoned either at half-time or at any time in the second half, the result and any points and tries scored by each team in the match shall stand.

(b) Where a pool match has been abandoned during the first half the result shall be declared a draw. In this instance, each team will be awarded two match points and any points and tries scored will count towards the total points and tries scored by each team in all their pool matches

(c) In the knock-out phase, if the teams are drawn, the winner shall be determined in accordance with the following criteria, in the following order:
(i) the team which has scored most tries during the match is declared the winner;
(ii) the team that has scored most points during the tournament is declared the winner;
(iii) the team which has scored most tries during the tournament is declared the winner;
(iv) the team that has received less red cards during the match is declared the winner;
(v) the team that has received less yellow cards during the match is declared winner;
(vi) the team that has received less red cards during the tournament is declared the winner;
(vii) the team that has received less yellow cards during the tournament is declared winner;
(viii) if none of the above produce a result, then the winner will be determined with a toss of a coin

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Re: World Rugby U20 Trophy 2017

Postby Lobo » Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 17:21

Thanks for the links.

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