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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 05 Nov 2017, 09:21

Fiji 42-6 at half time. Average score for the cup is 40-7. Average for the previous tournament was 33-10.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby Canalina » Sun, 05 Nov 2017, 09:36

Looking at the pools on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Rugb ... _World_Cup (the official website seems momentarily down) we could see six teams from Oceania at the quarterfinals, plus England and Lebanon

Here in Italy this event is basically ignored; the curiosity for the Bergamasco's adventure already faded out and I doubt today's success against USA will raise some enthusiasm

PS: I appreciated the purpose advanced by a fellow forumer several posts ago, to rename this sport. Reading that purpose I understood that if Rugby League had its "proper" name it would be less unpleasant to me. I always perceive rugby league like a sort of counterfeit, like a well made but false bag imitating the original one. The name "Rugby league" is ambiguous, it always suggests that it is rugby, but not properly rugby. I think too that a different name, a their own name, would be better for Union and also for them

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 05 Nov 2017, 09:45

Bergamasco hasn’t played a game, which just seems really weird.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 05 Nov 2017, 10:36

Fiji defeat Wales 72-6. Wales are awful, along with Scotland and USA. I honestly don’t know how they can possibly expand to 16 teams when there is such a massive gulf between each tier. If a Welsh and Scottish team can’t rustle up enough competitive pro players in the UK what hope is there for other nations?

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby AXLstockholm » Sun, 05 Nov 2017, 10:45

thatrugbyguy wrote:Fiji defeat Wales 72-6. Wales are awful, along with Scotland and USA. I honestly don’t know how they can possibly expand to 16 teams when there is such a massive gulf between each tier. If a Welsh and Scottish team can’t rustle up enough competitive pro players in the UK what hope is there for other nations?

16 team expansion will be no problem.

Pretty much any Englishmen in the Super League or second division who fails to make the England team will find a way to become eligible for Wales, Scotland and Ireland through their grandmother's second cousin's best friend's neighbor. There are barely any Scotland/Ireland players born in Scotland/Ireland or even played a rugby league game in those two countries.

Italian and Scottish players drinking heavy after the game plus misconduct shows how much these players care about representing their country on the international stage.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby victorsra » Sun, 05 Nov 2017, 17:20

PNG crowd is awesome!
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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 06 Nov 2017, 08:46

Tournament is apparently on track for a $7 million profit, which is down from the estimated $12 million. $7m isn't exactly going to go far. I'd really like to know what their long term plans are for this sport internationally.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby Working Class Rugger » Mon, 06 Nov 2017, 10:10

thatrugbyguy wrote:Tournament is apparently on track for a $7 million profit, which is down from the estimated $12 million. $7m isn't exactly going to go far. I'd really like to know what their long term plans are for this sport internationally.


Hope that the blokes pouring money into the Nth American dream continue to do so and it gains some kind of traction leading into 2025. Otherwise the provisional approval for that Cup to be held in Nth America will be scrapped. Probably going to be a disaster financially anyway.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 06 Nov 2017, 10:26

I have no idea what their objective is with that 2025 world cup. I can only assume they are looking at what FIFA did back in '94 and hoping for something similar. I personally think that's foolish but it's not my money to waste. Thing I've noticed as well which I've never really notice about the game is that when one of the teams is uncompetitive and outclassed in RL it's almost impossible for them to score any points. At least in rugby you might be able to pick up 3 or 4 penalties and cross the line once or twice.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby Canalina » Mon, 06 Nov 2017, 21:41

It's a pity PNG is with "them" and not with us (I mean: that they're mad for league and not for union)


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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 06 Nov 2017, 23:46

Yeah, it's a shame rugby isn't as popular, would make Rugby World Cup qualifying more interesting in the Pacific if PNG were competitive. They love their League in PNG though.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby victorsra » Tue, 07 Nov 2017, 12:15

I have no idea what their objective is with that 2025 world cup. I can only assume they are looking at what FIFA did back in '94 and hoping for something similar. I personally think that's foolish but it's not my money to waste.


Foolish, yes. They should first do it in France again.

Yeah, it's a shame rugby isn't as popular, would make Rugby World Cup qualifying more interesting in the Pacific if PNG were competitive. They love their League in PNG though.

A strong PNG in union would be a great PNC too, with 4 teams... and definitly a good locaton for a NRC team... maybe even Super Rugby. Look at the stadium!
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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby sk 88 » Thu, 09 Nov 2017, 11:30

I mean, I'd watch it but I'm not sure its a great idea.

None of the rules for this kind of thing ever look very appealing to me.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby Figaro » Thu, 09 Nov 2017, 12:06

sk 88 wrote:I mean, I'd watch it but I'm not sure its a great idea.

None of the rules for this kind of thing ever look very appealing to me.


Usually they just play one half of league and one half of union, the league side outscores the union one in the the first half and then the union side outscores the league one in the second (big surprise) and nothing is proven.

Now the original reason for the split is long consigned to history, you'd think a merger between the codes would make sense; however Rugby League is in the odd position of not being small enough to be swallowed up by Union but not being big enough to really have anything to offer Union commercially in a merger. I suspect it will remain, an oddity of history.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby iul » Thu, 09 Nov 2017, 12:41

TBF, the NRL's TV deal is about the same size as the Top 14, Pro14, Aviva, and 6N tv deals combined.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 09 Nov 2017, 12:55

There's been a few trial matches down here with combined rules of league and rugby that was developed by Mark Ella. Mostly schoolboy matches but there was a senior match about 2 years ago between Randwick (rugby) and Western Suburbs (league). I watched the whole thing and as strange as it seems ..... it kinda worked. It's weird but essentially you switch rules once you pass the halfway line from League to Rugby. Teams are 13 a side, lineouts have a maximum of 6 players and don't allow lifting and scrums are contested without flankers.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 09 Nov 2017, 14:28


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ5bSG169Z4

So I watched Hybrid's Rugby promo video. Not impressed. The league part actually looks extremely boring, compared to the Union part where it seems something is finally happening. Might be the video cut though.

Also I fail to see, why on earth somebody would pay that sum just AFTER the real thing, a world cup.
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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby 4N » Thu, 09 Nov 2017, 17:09

suofficer wrote:wasn't sure where to post this

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all- ... s-proposed


I think it would be great. Best athletes of both codes clashing.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby AXLstockholm » Thu, 09 Nov 2017, 23:49

Every few years a bored rugby league journalist in Sydney starts the rumour of a hybrid game desperate to bring international recognition to rugby league considering the All Black's global brand.

In my opinion, a complete waste of time and only increases the risk of a serious injury to both teams. A really stupid idea when you think player burnout is a serious issue in today's game.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 09 Nov 2017, 23:51

It's been debunked by the NZRU apparently.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 10 Nov 2017, 10:05

Watching the Italy v Fiji game makes me realise why Rugby League became so boring to me. The game became too structured, too one dimensional. Fiji v Italy is loose, risky passes and kicks are being made and the defences are unstructured. It's far more entertaining.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby AXLstockholm » Fri, 10 Nov 2017, 10:20

thatrugbyguy wrote:Watching the Italy v Fiji game makes me realise why Rugby League became so boring to me. The game became too structured, too one dimensional. Fiji v Italy is loose, risky passes and kicks are being made and the defences are unstructured. It's far more entertaining.

Fiji vs Italy. AKA Australian-born Fijians vs Australian-born NRL reject Italians, many of whom will represent New South Wales and Australian in the next several years

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 10 Nov 2017, 10:35

Not going to argue that. I think the eligibility rules are a joke. The game though as a whole though has been stripped of all personality and risk over the last 25 years, the reason no-one can catch Australia is because they play zero-risk football. This Italy-Fiji match has been the most entertaining RL match I've seen in decades. Crazy loose passes, short kickoffs like in rugby, unstructured attack and defence, it feel more like sevens. The problem is that won't win against structured teams.

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Re: Rugby League World Cup 2017

Postby victorsra » Fri, 10 Nov 2017, 11:50

To be fair 5 fijians of this matche's 17 players are Fiji-born.
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