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18th November Wales vs Georgia

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby iul » Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 18:24

Good result for Georgia. They played too slow, predictable and narrow, but they kept the ball a lot. They'll do better when those young backs they've been popping up lately get more experience.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby GeoRugby » Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 20:16

Boys need to get ready for the USA next week. Important game. Next year against Italy is shaping up to be HUGE! Today's game against Wales was very similar to Georgia-Ireland at 2007 World cup.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby beber » Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 20:20

iul wrote:Good result for Georgia. They played too slow, predictable and narrow, but they kept the ball a lot. They'll do better when those young backs they've been popping up lately get more experience.


I agree ... I was a bit disapointed by Lobzhanidze who is usually a lot more dynamic

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby Bogdan_DC » Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 20:28

Good on you Georgia, you should be proud of yourself.Now the game from Japan will have a totally different perspective don’t you?
Anyway Some serious questions should be put about: 1) how is interpreted the law by the refs when scrums are resetting on and on. 2) using this kind of antics like Wales did to have no contest scrum. We need CLEARER and BETTER rules.That was not OK.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby Her Man » Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 20:55

I have watched it on BBC 2. Silent comments, silent stadium - priceless.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby sk 88 » Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 20:56

Wales coaches have done these kinds of shenanigans for well over ten years, when he was with Wasps Gatland was renowned for his cheating with uncontested scrums. he has no shame and world rugby don't care.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby amz » Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 21:09

I didn't watched the match but this is a good close result on Welsh fortress, congrats Lelos!

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 21:46

Domnul Bogdan_DC

Frankly, there are two different implementations of UNCONTESTED SCRUM (UNC) rule

1) STRICT = used by FRA | GEO (maybe ITA as well)

When a team causes UNC via front-rower (FR) sin-bin (SB)
it should reduce its personnel by ONE more | further player,
ie play with 13 for the duration of SB

This was what M Raynal demanded from the outset
but (rightly!) was NOT supported by Match Commissioneer

2) LENIENT = used globally thanks to WR hypocrasy

Because of FR's SB the team is ALREADY under-manned,
so it is allowed to play with 14 players during SB,
but UNC is packed 8-vs-8 (from both sides)

Unfortunately, this fosters proliferation of CHEATING:

When a team feel that opposition stuffs it in scrum,
it (deliberately) sacrifices a weak FR for SB,
then claims it has run out of specialist FRs
and as a result, gets rid of being pushed around

This was the case today, and
also at RWC 2015, in GEO-NAM game

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby datodato » Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 22:32

beber wrote:
iul wrote:Good result for Georgia. They played too slow, predictable and narrow, but they kept the ball a lot. They'll do better when those young backs they've been popping up lately get more experience.


I agree ... I was a bit disapointed by Lobzhanidze who is usually a lot more dynamic


Agree 100%. Vasil looks very slow and lost on the field. He is a great player and has a huge amount of talent, but with the substitution of Begadze georgia became better I think. Kolelishvili and Sharikadze were great and young Modebadze as well. The boys from the bench played really well except Bekoshvili, who is not strong enough in the scrums. I miss the times where we took of Ziraka and brought on Levan... but im retrospective it was a good game and the welsh tactics make me think that Gatöand won‘t field a second string pack in the RWC :) will show a bit more respect to our brave Georgian players.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby umea » Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 23:26

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugb ... y-13921647

Georgia coach Milton Haig approached a World Rugby representative at the end of the game and asked him to see that the matter be properly investigated, the Kiwi making the pertinent observation that neither Welsh starting prop looked injured as he left the field on 56 minutes.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 02:45

Gatland needs to be suspended.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby AXLstockholm » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 03:07

and Gatland wonders why the Rugby community fails to respect him.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 03:33

Moral victory for Georgia. Beating Wales in 2019 is not impossible.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby RugbyPUBtbilisi » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 07:09

There was a real chance for draw there.

Georgis must be more unpredictable.
Whole Georgian pack +12, 13, 9 was in pick and go tactics while welsh were defending like lions with whole team and our backs were in a position to score if the ball went wide.

More respect to Lelos wings, Modebadze is brilliant, Koshadze is better at centre and Fruidze Mchedlidze missing.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 07:23

Georgia may never get a better chance to advance to the second round until they expand the World Cup. Wales are going to have to play their first XV in that opening match Toyota. Georgia have to target that match as winnable on the back of this.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 08:36

Back in 2015, just before World Cup,
I've written to Alain Rolland suggesting:

introduction of #24 = an EMERGENCY PROP
at top-brass INTERNATIONALS
to avoid UNCONTESTED SCRUMS

According to WR,
scrumming is an essential part of the Game

So, if three out of # 1, 3, 17, 18 are NO more available,
then ONLY in this case the team introduces that #24
to maintain FULL contested scrums to the very end

*PS* I doubt that bringing of #24 would bare extra costs
as every TOP team travels these days with circa 30 players
and they are readily available during RWC and Tours

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby BertSolomon » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 12:24

GeoRugby wrote:Despite loss, Georgia passes the test. 7 point loss in Cardiff is more than respectable. Wales really escaped this one.


A great performance. Thought Georgia got better as the game progressed after a difficult opening 20 minutes. Potential to get closer still to Wales in the WC.

It's never acknowledged by the commentators that the T1 squads have the advantage of regular meet-ups during the season, which T1 squads do not as players are mostly based abroad. This is less of an advantage when the WC comes round.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby stuartdm » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 19:07

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:Back in 2015, just before World Cup,
I've written to Alain Rolland suggesting:

introduction of #24 = an EMERGENCY PROP
at top-brass INTERNATIONALS
to avoid UNCONTESTED SCRUMS

According to WR,
scrumming is an essential part of the Game

So, if three out of # 1, 3, 17, 18 are NO more available,
then ONLY in this case the team introduces that #24
to maintain FULL contested scrums to the very end

*PS* I doubt that bringing of #24 would bare extra costs
as every TOP team travels these days with circa 30 players
and they are readily available during RWC and Tours


You would need 2 props as these days loose heads and tight heads can't play in each other's position (apparently). No. 1 was available to come back on yesterday but he can only play loose head.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby fullbackace » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 19:11

BertSolomon wrote:
GeoRugby wrote:Despite loss, Georgia passes the test. 7 point loss in Cardiff is more than respectable. Wales really escaped this one.


A great performance. Thought Georgia got better as the game progressed after a difficult opening 20 minutes. Potential to get closer still to Wales in the WC.

It's never acknowledged by the commentators that the T1 squads have the advantage of regular meet-ups during the season, which T1 squads do not as players are mostly based abroad. This is less of an advantage when the WC comes round.



Not really. Most of the Georgians play abroad, just back three and fly half from domestic championship.
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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby amz » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 20:06

He is talking about more training time together for T1 sides which players are in the same country and not scattered to various clubs in UK or France. Cohesion is a big thing and T1sides have this advantage to have the group of players available for longer period of times

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby 4N » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 20:14

iul wrote:Good result for Georgia. They played too slow, predictable and narrow, but they kept the ball a lot. They'll do better when those young backs they've been popping up lately get more experience.


You should probably self-ban for some time.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby sk 88 » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 20:35

stuartdm wrote:You would need 2 props as these days loose heads and tight heads can't play in each other's position (apparently). No. 1 was available to come back on yesterday but he can only play loose head.



This is where i'd start.

The idea that props are DANGEROUSLY UNSAFE on the wrong side is total bollocks. Obviously they are going to have a strong preference but they aren't a danger to anyone on the wrong side.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby RugbyLiebe » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 20:44

sk 88 wrote:
stuartdm wrote:You would need 2 props as these days loose heads and tight heads can't play in each other's position (apparently). No. 1 was available to come back on yesterday but he can only play loose head.



This is where i'd start.

The idea that props are DANGEROUSLY UNSAFE on the wrong side is total bollocks. Obviously they are going to have a strong preference but they aren't a danger to anyone on the wrong side.


This. Especially with the scrum rules as they are today. A lot safer than before.
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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 21:10

stuartdm wrote:
You would need 2 props as these days loose heads and tight heads can't play in each other's position (apparently). No. 1 was available to come back on yesterday but he can only play loose head.


Actually, what you just told me is their Loose Head is shit. A world class prop may have a position, but a world class prop can effectively shift. Same thing with a hooker.

In GER V. USA...we started a tight head in the loose head spot. I have no idea why, because there's an en forme loose head available that started over the summer and this guy hasn't been in the pool for 18 months. But he played ok for 65 minutes.

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Re: 18th November Wales vs Georgia

Postby fullbackace » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 21:24

amz wrote:He is talking about more training time together for T1 sides which players are in the same country and not scattered to various clubs in UK or France. Cohesion is a big thing and T1sides have this advantage to have the group of players available for longer period of times


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