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Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

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Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby polter » Tue, 14 Nov 2017, 22:08

Gdansk - Kick-off 17:30 local time.

Stadionie Miejskim w Gdańsku przy ul. Traugutta 29

Polish squad called up:

1.MKS Ogniwo Sopot
Marcin Wilczuk; Stanisław Powała-Niedźwiecki; Piotr Zeszutek; Mateusz Plichta; Wojciech Piotrowicz; Grzegorz Szczepański

2.MKS  Pogoń Awenta Siedlce
Marek Mirosz; Dawid Dybowski; Rafał Janeczko; Tomasz Rokicki; Daniel Gdula; Przemysław Rajewski

3.RC Lechia Gdańsk
Marek Płonka Jr.; Kewin Bracik

4.Master Pharm Budowlani SA Łódź 
Adrian Ignaczak

5.RC Arka Gdynia
Szymon Sirocki

6.KS Budowlani Lublin
Wojciech Król; Piotr Wiśniewski; Jakub Bobruk; Jakub Kamiński

7.KS Budowlani Łódź
Paweł Poniatowski

8.OKS Skra Warszawa
Sebastian Kostałkowski

9.Zawodnicy grający we Francji
Radosław Bysewski - SMRC Saint Médard
Kamil Bobryk - CS Vienne
Grzegorz Janiec - FCSR Rumilly
Mateusz Bartoszek - SMRC Saint Médard
Aleksander Nowicki - AS Macon Rugby
Jędrzej Nowicki - CO Creusot Bourgogne

Poland have called on as many foreign based players as possible for this game. The Lodz players who withdrew from the Czech game have not been selected even though they all played in the team that won the Polish final against Ogniwo Sopot last weekend.

Looking at the remaining fixtures Polish will have targeted this game as a must-win one and given Moldova's performance last weekend against the Dutch, it is possible if the same Moldovan team turn up.

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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby fullbackace » Wed, 15 Nov 2017, 03:50

Will there be a stream ?
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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby Bogdan_DC » Wed, 15 Nov 2017, 07:02

Moldova will be destroyed, new info emerged and it looks like is a total mess now in Moldavian rugby. Some teams don't want to take part of the championship under the new union leadership, best senior players don't want to come anymore to play for National team and even some 7s national team didn't show up at international games. Their rugby was anyway in a very bad estate....they really didn't need this.

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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby thx » Wed, 15 Nov 2017, 19:19

fullbackace wrote:Will there be a stream ?


Internet broadcasting will be on IPLA: https://www.ipla.tv/live/transmission-15081

You can watch it around the world. It is paid broadcasting, dependent on payment method - by card, nearly 2 euro.

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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby fullbackace » Wed, 15 Nov 2017, 19:23

thx wrote:
fullbackace wrote:Will there be a stream ?


Internet broadcasting will be on IPLA: https://www.ipla.tv/live/transmission-15081

You can watch it around the world. It is paid broadcasting, dependent on payment method - by card, nearly 2 euro.

Does the money go to Polish Rugby in any way ?
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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby thx » Wed, 15 Nov 2017, 19:36

fullbackace wrote:
thx wrote:
fullbackace wrote:Will there be a stream ?


Internet broadcasting will be on IPLA: https://www.ipla.tv/live/transmission-15081

You can watch it around the world. It is paid broadcasting, dependent on payment method - by card, nearly 2 euro.

Does the money go to Polish Rugby in any way ?


IPLA it is internet platform Polish TV Station POLSAT. POLSAT has deal with Polish Rugby Union on broadcasting Polish rugby. It is legal transmition, but I dont now details of their agreement. I think that more viewers give better perspective on next future broadcastings.

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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby fullbackace » Wed, 15 Nov 2017, 19:46

thx wrote:
fullbackace wrote:
thx wrote:
fullbackace wrote:Will there be a stream ?


Internet broadcasting will be on IPLA: https://www.ipla.tv/live/transmission-15081

You can watch it around the world. It is paid broadcasting, dependent on payment method - by card, nearly 2 euro.

Does the money go to Polish Rugby in any way ?


IPLA it is internet platform Polish TV Station POLSAT. POLSAT has deal with Polish Rugby Union on broadcasting Polish rugby. It is legal transmition, but I dont now details of their agreement. I think that more viewers give better perspective on next future broadcastings.


Ehh good enough. as long as it helps Rugby. :thumbup:
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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby polter » Fri, 17 Nov 2017, 17:52

Polish starting line up for Saturday.

01) Marcin Wilczuk - Ogniwo Sopot
02) Kamil Bobryk - CS Vienne
03) Radosław Bysewski - SMRC Saint Médard
04) Stanisław Powała-Niedźwiecki - Ogniwo Sopot
05) Mateusz Bartoszek - SMRC Saint Médard
06) Aleksander Nowicki - AS Macon Rugby
07) Marek Płonka Jr. - Lechia Gdańsk
08) Piotr Zeszutek (kapitan) - Ogniwo Sopot
09) Mateusz Plichta - Ogniwo Sopot
10) Wojciech Piotrowicz - Ogniwo Sopot
11) Tomasz Rokicki - Pogoń Siedlce
12) Daniel Gdula - Pogoń Siedlce
13) Kevin Bracik - Lechia Gdańsk
14) Szymon Sirocki - Arka Gdynia
15) Przemysław Rajewski - Pogoń Siedlce

Rezerwa
16) Adrian Ignaczak - Budowlani Łódź SA
17) Grzegorz Janiec - FCSR Rumilly
18) Sebastian Kostałkowski - Skra Warszawa
19) Piotr Wiśniewski - Budowlani Lublin
20) Marek Mirosz - Pogoń Siedlce
21) Grzegorz Szczepański - Ogniwo Sopot
22) Jędrzej Nowicki - CO Creusot Bourgogne
23) Jakub Bobruk - Budowlani Lublin

Much stronger with French based players returned. Apparently Greg Kacala had to wade in with the French RFU to make sure they were available. No specialist locks I notice but big on mobility as Poland will go looking for the bonus point win. With Sirocki on the wing it may well be possible.

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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby polter » Fri, 17 Nov 2017, 20:42

Moldovan Squad: Cangea Roman,Colev Alexandru, Morosanu Sergiu, Titica Veaceslav, Began Alexandru, Budaian Serghei, Brinza Gheorghe, Siscan Alexandru - Preguza Vadim - Popa Semion - Copitov Ion, Misin Igor, Cotruta Alexei, Gheorghies Mihai - Adam Adrian. Rezerwa: Macaria Nicnita, Lesanu Cristian, Cebotari Radu, Patrascu Mihai, Bilici Dumitru, Diaconu Mihai, Procopii Sergiu, Nimirenco Ion. Trener: Vlad Constantin.

Again a lack of names from the golden generation but apparently the President and Vice President are both in the squad.

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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby victorsra » Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 16:58

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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby thx » Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 17:41

Half time: Poland 10 - Moldova 0. Moldova play much better than played with Holland.

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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby thx » Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 18:38

FT: Poland 13 - Moldova 0.

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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby amz » Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 21:31

thx wrote:FT: Poland 13 - Moldova 0.

I expected a bigger margin for Poland tbh. I'll watch the game next few days if will be available next on youtube.

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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby thx » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 15:42

amz wrote:
thx wrote:FT: Poland 13 - Moldova 0.

I expected a bigger margin for Poland tbh. I'll watch the game next few days if will be available next on youtube.

We should won this game higher. Poland has advantage in scrum and won the most of line-ups. Recently, our team wasn't good prepared for last games.

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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby polter » Mon, 20 Nov 2017, 22:50

The best player for the Moldovans was unsurprisingly the experienced Titica, while the flanker Nowicki was probably the best for Poland with some great steals in the line-out. The Moldovan team looked a shadow of the one that used to terrorise the division, but Poland struggled to put them away and know they need pretty much a full strength team every game if they are to compete at this level.

Unless the Moldovan players of old have a change of heart and begin to get picked again, this win should be enough to keep Poland up. The Moldovans might look to get something from the Czech match away, but judging by the scores of games the Netherlands, Switzerland and Portugal have been involved in so far, neither them nor Poland will have much chance taking any points from them in the remaining games.

Poland have to play the Dutch and the Swiss away and the Portuguese at home. Although they managed to beat the Dutch at home last year, their away form has traditionally been poor. I can see them scoring 4 tries for an offensive bonus point, but their defence has not been a strong point in the past.

Poland have genuine ambitions to get promoted, things were looking hopefully at the end of last season, but such is the dynamic of the RET 5 match format that this season is almost already a write-off. The union is again having to run flat out to just keep still.

What would it take for Poland, or indeed any team at this division to get promoted? If you work backwards, you need to win a probable away play-off match with a team used to playing much tougher opposition in the division above. We saw Portugal walk the RET last season but they came unstuck against a Belgian team that you could see had been used to playing much harder opponents.

If you are the Polish Rugby Union, I’d say you’d need to plan your move to go up during a 3 home match to 2 away match season. Use the seasons to your advantage in the sense that if anyone was at the match on Saturday, you’d know Portugal would not welcome coming to Poland in November.

As many of the matches will be right at the very start of the new Polish season in March (or could even be in the winter break during Feb as was the case last year against Portugal) there has to be a tough winter tour. You could fly from London to Gdansk last weekend for less than £20 a person and if you were to tour the English capital you could play fixtures against Premiership A teams from Saracens, Harlequins or London Irish, or Championship (second division) teams of Ealing (historically a Polish area), London Scottish or Richmond. The Polish ice hockey team regularly used to tour the English Midlands and you’d be surprized how much support they got at matches. This would also be a way to try and somehow improve their poor away form. I’m sure there are similar opportunities in the south of France… Alternately, bring a tough opponent to a home fixture. If the Czechs can host the New Zealand Ambassadors, or South African Barbarians in Prague, then why can’t Poland in Krakow?

If Poland don’t push forward to be regulars in the top half of the table then there’s a risk that they will have to rely in a some other team going into freefall like Sweden, Ukraine or Moldova, or that whichever countries comes up, like a Lithuania or Malta, are measurably worse. However, there are few candidates remaining to fall into the first category and judging the progress of the Swiss and the Czechs there might be no guarantee of the second type either.

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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby NedRugby » Tue, 21 Nov 2017, 16:48

What would it take for Poland, or indeed any team at this division to get promoted? If you work backwards, you need to win a probable away play-off match with a team used to playing much tougher opposition in the division above. We saw Portugal walk the RET last season but they came unstuck against a Belgian team that you could see had been used to playing much harder opponents.

I, on the other hand, am more optimistic. Another way for the Trophy winners to have a better chance in the promotion playoff match would be if the quality of teams in the trophy improves so that the gap between the Trophy and the Championship is smaller. Perhaps that has already started, although it is hard to tell. Switzerland impressed last season in the first year in the Trophy. I think they may have a good structure in place. The Netherlands seems to be developing a solid youth infrastructure. I am not happy with the number of players of foreign origins in the senior team, but the age group teams have been doing well so there should be good strength in depth in the near future. I guess we can only wait and see what happens in the rest of the season, but I remain hopeful.

I do agree with you that it will probably take a major turnaround for Moldova to survive this season. Poland should be safe I expect.

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Re: Poland vs Moldova RET 18.11.17

Postby polter » Tue, 21 Nov 2017, 22:16

I can see the REC teams trying to be more like those in the 6 Nations teams with all of them seeming to have some kind of Autumn international series with other world top 25 international teams. I'd say it looks as if the gap between the REC and RET is widening.

One of the most interesting things about international rugby at this (or indeed any) level are the strategies the different unions employ to pick the best group of players available to them. I believe there are mainly 4 categories:

1) Home grown players largely playing at home (e.g. Ukraine)
2) Home grown players mostly playing abroad (e.g.Georgia)
3) Naturalised players playing at home (e.g. Sweden a few seasons ago)
4) Grand parented players playing abroad (Switzerland)

Countries use some or all of the above to varying degrees. I would say 1 and 2 are the purest, but number 4 is the one that can get a team the most immediate results. Poland got into the top 25 countries in the world off the back of this and it seems to be one of the main drivers that has allowed the Swiss to become a force in this division coming from pretty much nowhere. The problem with this tactic is that it will create some resentment with players who play domestically especially if the players brought in are perceived to be only marginally better. Also, if a union ever decides to move away from this tactic for cost or whatever reason, an experience vacuum can be left behind.

I notice that more affluent countries like Germany, Sweden and the Netherlands have many players that fall in category 3. Poland are even attempting this with some Georgian players (props of course), but I'd be interested to know what is the opinion of the rugby public of a union adopting this tactic? I'd say players with an added level of experience like Carrol and Gascoigne are one of the main reasons the Dutch are one of the best teams in the RET.

One positive point Poland can take away from this weekend can be found by comparing the match commissioners reports for the all 3 RET games over the weekend.

Portugal vs Czech Republic - Good Conditions - Attendance 1,000
Switzerland vs Netherlands - Cold, 8 degrees - Attendance 2,000
Poland vs Moldova - Rain, 5 degrees - Attendance 3,000. Low by Polish standards but the PZU have some of the consistently highest attendances and supporters in the RET. The results on the field now just have to match....

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