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#Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby STMKY » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 09:17

After the victory of the French bid on the RWC2023 I see they most recently at the same stadiums took Euro2016 on football. Georgia this year has perfectly organized the RWC (U20), in a good account of the World Rugby. But self to host RWC there is no possibility. On the other hand, there is Russia with stadiums for the football World Cup 2018. For World Rugby is potentially a new big market. With the arrival of Artemiev in the new leadership, there is hope for improvement. And if such an ambitious goal as RWC2027 is set, this will be a huge incentive for the development of rugby in the country.
From the point of view of organization there should be no problems. In Tbilisi there is a good stadium for 55,000 seats, in Batumi a new stadium for 30,000 seats is being built. In Russia after 2018 there will be 15 stadiums with a capacity of 30000+. Moscow (Luzhniki 81000, Spartak 45000, CSKA 30000), Petersburg 68000, Sochi 48000, Rostov 45000, Volgograd 45000, Samara 45000, Kazan 45000, Saransk 45000, Nizhny Novgorod 45000, Ekaterinburg 35000, Kaliningrad 35000, Krasnodar 33000 and Grozny 30000.
If in 2027 a decision is made to expand the RWC to 24 teams, then bid of Georgia and Russia will be ready for such a development of events.
From the point of view of training bases, in Georgia in recent years a lot has been built. Russia not have training bases for rugby on this moment, but most recently in Georgia there was a delegation that studied local experience. After returning to Russia, it was stated that they would build similar training bases in Russia.
Logistics and hotels. There are no problems here. All these cities have international airports. Georgia is a tourist country, so there are a lot of hotels. And in Russia, for WC2018 also built many new hotels.
Visas. Here you can apply the experience of Sochi2014 and WC2018 and completely cancel the visas for the tournament for all fans who will buy a ticket. That is, the ticket for the match = your visa.

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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 10:23

Great idea !
Confused only rostrum without fan to rugby matches in Russia and the vast distance betwen the stadiums ...

In Russia there was already the World Cup of the Sevens in 2013 with an empty stadium ...
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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby STMKY » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 10:30

Artemiev and his team should show, on the example of organizing the home games of the Russian national team, that they can attract a lot of spectators to rugby. There are new stadiums, they have already agreed with the television, let them work. Also need major competitions, for example, the finals of European Cups in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Our clubs play in Challange Cup, so there are chances. Bilbao received the Euro Finals 2018 even without the Spanish clubs.
And the distance is quite normal, as in Australia or South Africa. It's not a big problem.

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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 12:46

Don't you think 2031 would be a better option? If 2027 were to go to Russia/Georgia it would mean 3 European World Cups out of the last 4 tournaments.

2015 England
2019 Japan
2023 France
2027 Russia/Georgia

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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 13:09

STMKY wrote:Artemiev and his team should show, on the example of organizing the home games of the Russian national team, that they can attract a lot of spectators to rugby. There are new stadiums, they have already agreed with the television, let them work. Also need major competitions, for example, the finals of European Cups in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Our clubs play in Challange Cup, so there are chances. Bilbao received the Euro Finals 2018 even without the Spanish clubs.
And the distance is quite normal, as in Australia or South Africa. It's not a big problem.

Krasnoyarsk will not be chosen as the venue for the World Cup matches!

This is problem ! :lol:
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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 13:12

thatrugbyguy wrote:Don't you think 2031 would be a better option? If 2027 were to go to Russia/Georgia it would mean 3 European World Cups out of the last 4 tournaments.

2015 England
2019 Japan
2023 France
2027 Russia/Georgia


It is possible and 2031. But most likely this event will happen in 2131 ... :D
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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 13:15

Distance from Krasnoyarsk to Moscow is not much further than from Sydney to Perth. Perth hosted 5 or 6 World Cup matches in 2003.

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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 13:19

thatrugbyguy wrote:Distance from Krasnoyarsk to Moscow is not much further than from Sydney to Perth. Perth hosted 5 or 6 World Cup matches in 2003.


Yes, sensible remark. :thumbup:
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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby 4N » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 14:24

Georgian clubs should join the Russian league first and see how that goes. I know there are lots of rugby links between the two countries, seem to be a decent number of Georgian players and coaches in Russia.

Also Sochi is close for fans coming from Georgia, while there are lots of Georgians living in Moscow too.

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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby STMKY » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 14:46

4N wrote:Georgian clubs should join the Russian league first and see how that goes. I know there are lots of rugby links between the two countries, seem to be a decent number of Georgian players and coaches in Russia.

Also Sochi is close for fans coming from Georgia, while there are lots of Georgians living in Moscow too.

A good idea. But for this you need to solve the problem of the calendar. In Russia, the rugby season is "summer". Russian Championship from May to September. And in Georgia, "winter" from September to May.

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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 16:40

So in unofficial circles, but official enough for Unions to plan. There seems to be a rotation of locales for the World Cup. The 2023 Cycle (2031) is going to be awarded to a T1 Nation (Minus Argentina). And the 2019 Cycle will be for "developing" Nations. But what that means, well nothing. Your Union better still be commercially successful. Think revenues in excess of $50MM.

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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby RugbyPUBtbilisi » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 17:33

Ok first of all Sochi is close to occupied territories of Georgia with separatist "government" and Russian military.

Acces denied for ethnic Georgians. Unless someone wants to ve kidnapped and than his family must pay 2000$-10000$.

Thats first problem.

Second problem is total ignorance from Russian population this game we call rugby.

99% of Russians dint know Rugby or dont inderstand it's rules.

Nothing personal to Russian people but this coutry is total fuxxed up place with aggressive regime and corrupted law enforcement agencies.

So my vote goes for Europe, maybe Ireland 2027, or Ireland-Wales-Scotland 2027.

Italy 2027 would be great.
Australia 2027 at least.

not RSA.

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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 17:41

Why Sochi Georgian territory? Georgian nazis are much funnier than Ukrainian ones ...
Then the World Cup will be held only in Russia.
And you go to the хуй!
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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 17:45

During the Civil War in Russia Georgia captured Sochi in 1918.
Then Georgia kicked out from there. This is the only thing that indicates the belonging of Sochi to Georgia.
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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 17:52

Sochi is the territory of the Abkhazians and if the Russians are accused of genocide then this is exactli the case.
But 200 years later Russia help create the Abkhaz state and recognized it.
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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby RugbyPUBtbilisi » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 18:38

See thats what i am talking about.

Geirgian nazis, Ukrainian nazis, Estonian nazis, Moldovian nazis.

Somehow everyone are nazis yet its Russians committing crimes against humanity.

Just to remember Russia has occupied and annexed 20% of Georgia, leaving 35k dead and 400k refugees. There is no chance of joint sport events.

Again, i have Russian wife and nothing personal to normal people, but this country is barbarian and its government is aggressive towards neighbouring peoples.

As one russian folk quote says "I have power, i dont need brain" aka "сила есть ума не надо".

So my dear vova, calm down nobody is going to hold RWC in country where 99% of people havent even watch matches in tv.

My vote for Ireland, Wales, Scotland 2027.

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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 18:45

"Your territories" were occupied not by Russians, but by Abkhazians and Ossetians.
When Georgians in Russia are deprived of citizenship both in Estonia and Latvia, then you can compare Russia and the Baltic states.

And Russians do not care what other people think about them, потому что у носорога плохое зрение , но это проблемы окружающих ...
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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby 4N » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 18:46

99% of people in Brazil and USA don't know rugby either. But it is important to develop these countries, along with Russia.

Maybe a Georgian-Russian cup competition would be the first step to thawing relations. Though afaik Georgian and Russian rugby players get on quite well, always have.

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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 18:48

I want to see your face when Russia wins rugby Georgia. 8-)
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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby 4N » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 18:52

Vova12 wrote:I want to see your face when Russia wins rugby Georgia. 8-)


Who? RPT? He would take it in stride I'm sure. But given your record vs them, best to record a win on some level first before talking about it.

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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 18:52

What will happen to Georgia if people in Russia learn what rugby is?
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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby 4N » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 18:53

A great rivalry will be born. Especially if rugby catches on in North Caucasus.

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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 18:54

4N wrote:
Vova12 wrote:I want to see your face when Russia wins rugby Georgia. 8-)


Who? RPT? He would take it in stride I'm sure. But given your record vs them, best to record a win on some level first before talking about it.

Russia - this is the place where imposible things happen!
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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 18:59

4N wrote:A great rivalry will be born. Especially if rugby catches on in North Caucasus.

Tell this to Kadyrov)) At the moment the Caucasian is engaced in martial arts ...
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Re: #Georgia&RussiaRWC2027

Postby BigG » Sun, 19 Nov 2017, 19:28

Are you kidding? How two countries which do not have diplomatic relations with each other could make a joint bid?

At the moment I do not want to make a focus on Georgian territories occupied by Russia.

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