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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby olivier » Sat, 03 Feb 2018, 14:02

Some guys here have a lot of difficulties to understand central contracts are a complete joke financially.
English and French clubs have the most efficient model. Other models are just trying to survive. Clubs will kill them at the end. Look at the complete failure of the Australian system.
Central contract are still resistant in NZ, Wales and Ireland because players still think like conservative idiots, wasting big money offers for patriotic reasons. They don't even understand their career could end in one second because of an injury...

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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby amz » Sat, 03 Feb 2018, 22:13

olivier wrote:Some guys here have a lot of difficulties to understand central contracts are a complete joke financially.
English and French clubs have the most efficient model. Other models are just trying to survive. Clubs will kill them at the end. Look at the complete failure of the Australian system.
Central contract are still resistant in NZ, Wales and Ireland because players still think like conservative idiots, wasting big money offers for patriotic reasons. They don't even understand their career could end in one second because of an injury...


coming from a country who invented the word "chauvinism" this neo liberal approach sound like crap.

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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby tellchar » Sat, 03 Feb 2018, 23:29

olivier wrote:Simplest solution : look at FIFA... World cup qualification for all the nations excepting the host...

It's simple but nobody accept that solution. And the European Championship is the key to increase a rugby popularity in European countries.

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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 04 Feb 2018, 00:49

Euro Championship I feel is an inevitability.

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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby victorsra » Sun, 04 Feb 2018, 02:02

So, dont think. But 6N/TRC + Tests is exactly the same think, except they dont share revenues.


Central contracts are the only way to balance clubs power. You all complain about calendar and dont discuss the most obvious problem.
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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby iul » Sun, 04 Feb 2018, 09:50

The French and English cliubs having more money and power is the best thing that can happen for T2 international rugby. As more and more Irish, Welsh and Scottish players will leave their domestic sides to chase the money in England and France those unions will need to find more and more money to be able to keep the best players home and international games are the best ways to do it. The Celts will sooner or later be the ones pushing for the expansion of the 6N.

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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby Duke of Currie » Sun, 04 Feb 2018, 11:42

I think the more opportunities there are for T2 nations to play in an expanded Euro championship , including the 6 Nations teams will increase the profile and revenue streams at an international level coupled with clubs being granted automatic entry to the Challenge Cup will encourage higher investment into the club game.
Having more semi pro and pro clubs across Europe encourages player movement and increases standards. It is with a word of caution that World Rugby will have to continually review the player qualification rules to eventually get to the stage where the residency rule is removed.

By the 6N cartel restricting the opportunities for T2 nations for the last 25 years , it will take over 10 years to allow the standards to be brought up to the same level , but it will assist in the long term gain for European rugby as a whole if the game becomes more inclusive

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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby victorsra » Sun, 04 Feb 2018, 13:56

iul wrote:The French and English cliubs having more money and power is the best thing that can happen for T2 international rugby. As more and more Irish, Welsh and Scottish players will leave their domestic sides to chase the money in England and France those unions will need to find more and more money to be able to keep the best players home and international games are the best ways to do it. The Celts will sooner or later be the ones pushing for the expansion of the 6N.


There is nothing to believe on that. If Celts are losing money why English and French clubs would allow the national teams to have more space??? This is good for Top14 and Premiership!

Also you'll need to expand as none of the Celts will ever want relegation.

The key thing is still the same: how the Union will impose more space in the calendar in a scenario where Top 14 and Premiership control the players?

If you think those clubs are nice for T2players wishes about national teams, ask the Pacific Islanders. Clubs want a large calendar and tje national teams too and both compete for the same players. They will be killed in the middle of such high calendar demands.

Who pays players salaries is another key and obvious problem.
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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby NaBUru38 » Sun, 04 Feb 2018, 14:58

Fiji plays in the NRC. In the mid term, the Pacific islands should apply to get a Super Rugby team.

Georgia, Romania and Russia must lobby to get home games versus Scotland and Italy in November.

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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby victorsra » Sun, 04 Feb 2018, 15:30

Fiji plays in the NRC. In the mid term, the Pacific islands should apply to get a Super Rugby team.

Super Rugby has just kicked out 3 franchises. Why would they think about expansion to the Pacific Islands now? They are bleeding players to Europe, they need money desperately.
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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby Scoob » Sun, 04 Feb 2018, 17:13

Super rugby teams travel to Suva every year and play games.The franchises management have even said they make more money from the games in Suva than in there own cities,thats why they keep going back.Fiji should be pushing this at super rugby teams if they want to join super rugby and no doubt behind the scenes they are.This has got a bit off topic,but thought i would point this out.

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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby STMKY » Sun, 04 Feb 2018, 17:25

NaBUru38 wrote:Fiji plays in the NRC. In the mid term, the Pacific islands should apply to get a Super Rugby team.

Georgia, Romania and Russia must lobby to get home games versus Scotland and Italy in November.

We would first need to get home matches. Russia traditionally plays abroad in June and November. The only team without home games! If Uruguay, Brazil, Chile, Namibia, Kenya, USA, Canada come to Russia - this will be a huge success for our fans.

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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby victorsra » Sun, 04 Feb 2018, 17:46

Super rugby teams travel to Suva every year and play games.The franchises management have even said they make more money from the games in Suva than in there own cities,thats why they keep going back.Fiji should be pushing this at super rugby teams if they want to join super rugby and no doubt behind the scenes they are.This has got a bit off topic,but thought i would point this out.

1 match with money invested by the Fijian government on the event, not 7 matches. Also, there is much more about creating its own revenues: TV contracts, substancial local sponsorship (for a competition that has travels to 4 continents), etc.

We would first need to get home matches. Russia traditionally plays abroad in June and November. The only team without home games! If Uruguay, Brazil, Chile, Namibia, Kenya, USA, Canada come to Russia - this will be a huge success for our fans.

That is true. Russia needs to bid with World Rugby to receive touring teams in June or find a suitable city for November.
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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby iul » Sun, 04 Feb 2018, 18:19

victorsra wrote:
iul wrote:The French and English cliubs having more money and power is the best thing that can happen for T2 international rugby. As more and more Irish, Welsh and Scottish players will leave their domestic sides to chase the money in England and France those unions will need to find more and more money to be able to keep the best players home and international games are the best ways to do it. The Celts will sooner or later be the ones pushing for the expansion of the 6N.


There is nothing to believe on that. If Celts are losing money why English and French clubs would allow the national teams to have more space??? This is good for Top14 and Premiership!

I didn't say the English and French clubs would be happy about it, I said the Celtic unions would have to push for it to happen. Whether they'd manage it or not that's a different matter.

victorsra wrote:Also you'll need to expand as none of the Celts will ever want relegation.

The key thing is still the same: how the Union will impose more space in the calendar in a scenario where Top 14 and Premiership control the players?

Yes, the 6N would have to be expanded.

victorsra wrote:If you think those clubs are nice for T2players wishes about national teams, ask the Pacific Islanders. Clubs want a large calendar and tje national teams too and both compete for the same players. They will be killed in the middle of such high calendar demands.

I don't think clubs are nice to t2 players, I just think them getting more money and power will mean unions will have to fight to get more revenue and the best way to get more revenue for the unions is more international games.
victorsra wrote:Who pays players salaries is another key and obvious problem.

The Celtic unions pay their players salaries and they'll need much more money in the future and they'll have to generate it somehow

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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby TheStroBro » Thu, 08 Feb 2018, 00:48

victorsra wrote:
iul wrote:The French and English cliubs having more money and power is the best thing that can happen for T2 international rugby. As more and more Irish, Welsh and Scottish players will leave their domestic sides to chase the money in England and France those unions will need to find more and more money to be able to keep the best players home and international games are the best ways to do it. The Celts will sooner or later be the ones pushing for the expansion of the 6N.


There is nothing to believe on that. If Celts are losing money why English and French clubs would allow the national teams to have more space??? This is good for Top14 and Premiership!

Also you'll need to expand as none of the Celts will ever want relegation.

The key thing is still the same: how the Union will impose more space in the calendar in a scenario where Top 14 and Premiership control the players?

If you think those clubs are nice for T2players wishes about national teams, ask the Pacific Islanders. Clubs want a large calendar and tje national teams too and both compete for the same players. They will be killed in the middle of such high calendar demands.

Who pays players salaries is another key and obvious problem.

The only people making money in England are Exeter and Northampton...erbody else just bleeding. The RFU makes a mint though.

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Re: Options for Northern Hemisphere T2

Postby Scoob » Thu, 08 Feb 2018, 04:07

The english rugby union makes a mint alright.Every NZRFU member and all its entourage are trying there darnest for some of that pie.I swear everytime Twickenham sells out there international games the NZRFU are taking medication for pain relief.

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