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25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby amz » Fri, 24 Nov 2017, 12:03

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1. Lazar (Castres)
2. Radoi (Timisoara Saracens)
3. Tarus (Sale Sharks)
4. van Heerden (Stiinta Baia Mare)
5. Poparlan (Timisara)
6. Chirica (Baia Mare)
7. Nistor (Albi)
8.(C)Burcea (CSM Bucuresti)
9.Surugiu (Steaua Bucuresti)
10.Vlaicu (Steaua Bucuresti)
11.Dumitru (Steaua Bucuresti)
12.Fakaosilea (Stiinta Baia Mare)
13.Kinikinilau (CSM Bucuresti)
14.Tangimana (Timisoara Saracens)
15.Simionescu (Timisoara Satacens)

Subs:
16. Badiu (Timisoara Saracens)
17. Bardasu (Stiinta Baia Mare)
18. Gordas (Steaua Bucuresti)
19. Motoc (Racing 92)
20. Moyake (Steaua)
21. Bratu (Dinamo Bucuresti)
22. Umaga (Timisoara Saracens)
23. Lomani (Dinamo)

TONGA

1. Latu Talakai (Waikato)
2. Sione Lea (Taranaki)
3. Paea Fa'anunu (US Dax)
4. Leva Fifita (Waikato)
5. Steve Mafi (Castres)
6. Sione Kalamafoni (Leicester)
7. Tukulua Lokotui (Beziers)
8. Ma'ama Vaipulu (Castres)
9. Tane Takulua (Newcastle)
10. George Taina (Counties Manakau)
11. Cooper Vuna (Worchesters Warriors)
12. Siale Piutau (Bristol)
13. Nafi Tuitavake (Northampton)
14. Penikolo Latu (Waikato)
15. Atieli Pakalani (Leicester)

Subs:
16. Sione Lolohea (Pakuranga)
17. Jethro Felemi (North Harbour)
18. Leo Halavatua (Angouleme)
19. Onehunga Havilili Kaufusi (Western Force)
20. Michael Faleafa (Northland)
21. Sione Vailanu (Saracens Storm)
22. Shinisuke Tu'umoto'oa (Daito Bunko University)
23. David Halaifonua (Gloucester)

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby 4N » Fri, 24 Nov 2017, 12:56

So Romania cap two additional residency players in Kuselo Moyake (South African, 32 years old) and Fili Lomani (Tonga). Must be frustrating to be a Romanian academy player these days.

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby iul » Fri, 24 Nov 2017, 13:01

Yes it is. It's a way for FRR to hide its failures. Unfortunately some Romanian fans seem to support this policy.

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby amz » Fri, 24 Nov 2017, 13:09

Not sure, Chirica and Simionescu (both 20 yo) are starters, Cojocaru (21 yo) would have probably been on the bench but was injured very seriously (was programmed for surgery yesterday) and Motoc (22 yo) will probably play his first games for Oaks.

Kuselo already played for Romania Sevens from one year already and I think he was called up because there are about 12 players missing. Worth mention that other U20s like Rupanu and Neculau are in the squad for Tonga for the first time. In total, there are 10 U23 players in the squad called up for Tonga match. Point me please another T2 squad with so many youngsters.

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby 4N » Fri, 24 Nov 2017, 13:48

In total, there are 10 U23 players in the squad called up for Tonga match. Point me please another T2 squad with so many youngsters


What do you mean? The extended squad? Who cares. As usual, your XV isn't young.

1. Lazar (Castres) 31
2. Radoi (Timisoara Saracens) 30
3. Tarus (Sale Sharks) 28
4. van Heerden (Stiinta Baia Mare) 30
5. Poparlan (Timisara) 30
6. Chirica (Baia Mare) 20
7. Nistor (Albi) 23
8.(C)Burcea (CSM Bucuresti) 34
9.Surugiu (Steaua Bucuresti) 32
10.Vlaicu (Steaua Bucuresti) 31
11.Dumitru (Steaua Bucuresti) 25
12.Fakaosilea (Stiinta Baia Mare) 30
13.Kinikinilau (CSM Bucuresti) 31
14.Tangimana (Timisoara Saracens) 28
15.Simionescu (Timisoara Satacens) 20

Avg age 28.2. Not young by any measure. It's average or leans slightly older compared to other international sides. The number of 30+ players is certainly high.

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby amz » Fri, 24 Nov 2017, 13:53

16. Florin Bardasu (CSM Stiinta Baia Mare) 26
17. Ionel Badiu (Timisoara Saracens) 28
18. Alexandru Gordas (CSA Steaua) 23
19. Adrian Motoc (Racing 92) 21
20. Kuselo Moyake (CSA Steaua) 31
21. Tudorel Bratu (CS Dinamo) 26
22. Jack Umaga (Timisoara Saracens) 33
23. Fili Lomani (CS Dinamo) 27

In this century we also use subs :)

http://t2rugby.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t= ... &start=125
Still better than vs Canada were median was 29,2

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Fri, 24 Nov 2017, 17:37

From my perspective on the outside Romania has a lack of native talent in the 24-30 age group, but talent both older and younger than that. The residency players are used to plug that gap while the players aged 20-24 are nurtured and gradually introduced into the squad.

I'd imagine the Superliga is responsible for this improved player development for younger players and that these guys will step up to be team leaders in future years while then glut of older residency players are phased out.

I'd be cautiously optimistic that Romania are in position to adapt to the changes in residency rules while staying competitive on the field.

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby zgs » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 00:09

Point me please another T2 squad with so many youngsters.


It is hard to follow your excitement about new youngsters playing in main team. I understand when someone is eager to see such kids like: Aumua, Jordie Barrett (AB), Kremer (Argentina), Bosch (S.Africa), and many other players who prove and shown their exceptional skills on high level competition. But, as I know Romanian U20 team is not brilliant and has big problems with some average T2 teams even playing at home. So what is the advantage of those youngsters? Do you think that Simonescu is better than Fercu?
I wish all the best to Romanian rugby, but I don’t think that involving of such amount of foreigners and young kids is right choice.
Regarding your question about other T2 team with big amount of youngsters, look at Georgian squad. Avg age of Georgian team is less, even with 36 y.o. Chkhaidze and 34 yo Kvirikashvili.

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby AXLstockholm » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 00:52

I didn't realise their young lock Adrian Motoc plays for Racing (born in France?). Are there any other young promising players born in France but eligible for Romania through their parents, I think this is better than capping half dozen Tongans in the backline.

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby beber » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 06:11

AXLstockholm wrote:I didn't realise their young lock Adrian Motoc plays for Racing (born in France?). Are there any other young promising players born in France but eligible for Romania through their parents, I think this is better than capping half dozen Tongans in the backline.


Tudor Stroe (prop, Castres) and Attila Septar (centre, Clermont)
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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby Bogdan_DC » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 06:37

Motoc is born and raised in Romania playing for Steaua youth until 19 years old. Stroe and Septar are sons of former Romanian players (Septar father played for our national side).Septar already represent France in youth and sevens so I don’t think he will represent Romania

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby amz » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 08:12

Septar (Clermont) refused, he wants to play for France, clearly a player like him would have probably a guaranteed first XV choice. Stroe (Castres) is still undecided, probably he waits to see if he'll be call up by France, if not he'll probably play for Romania.

@zgs, your comparison is flawed. Howells is rotating players and use these tests as preparation for REC which will decide the team qualified directly to RWC while he gradually introducing young players into the mix. During 2016 I think he tested about 30 new players, some stayed some weren't called up. For example V.Popa (21 yo, Timisoara) debuted in the win vs Canada at center. Georgia lost 2016 entirely and big part of 2017 introducing new players in the squad, for example only Koshadze featured in REC while Mathiashvili appeared to receive chances to play from this summer and I don't get it why. REC would have been the best environment to give game time to young players as the respective matches don't matter for them, at least this is what they say. I think these were the first matches when Haig played so many youngsters at once, so far they hardly had the chance except Lobzhanidze, even Georgian posters are asking for more game time for them.

As for young players playing, Simionescu had a good game versus Samoa, didn't missed tackles or high balls although he was under constant pressure because Islanders knew he may be a liability given his age and young players like Muresan or Cojocaru did well when they entered the field. The other youngster, Chirica played a lot of matches for his club in Super Liga being named man of the match on few occasions. You are relying your opinion too much on age grades teams performance and this hardly tell the whole story. For us, is more a matter of lack of interest from FRR and much improvisation than a lack of talent.

Foreign implants did good to Romanian rugby at the level of Super Liga and National Team because introduced different approaches and skills which enriched the system. Generally closed system are prone to various limitation and we don't want that.

It is touching to see so much care from you guys regarding the feelings of Romanian young players. But really, look around. Germans are feeding Saffas, 30 yo Englishmen born in Germany, Germans born and raised in NZ, their best kicker is named Parkinson, half of team speak French (at least this was what we observed when they come last time here) and talked about Toby Flood playing for them. How did the German youngsters felt about this? Nobody seem to care. Spain is playing with a full French squad although they had very good results at age grades. Portugal is staying in mediocrity despite very good age grades teams. Progress of these T2 sides is noted while Romania seems always be near death. Even England is looking to Shields, Japan beat SA with 5 non Japanese and in 2017 Tonga with 5 Tongans in their team and examples can continue. Your vexation with Romanian Tongans is becoming anecdotic.

Or our position in rankings is a concern?

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby beber » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 14:58

Bogdan_DC wrote:Motoc is born and raised in Romania playing for Steaua youth until 19 years old. Stroe and Septar are sons of former Romanian players (Septar father played for our national side).Septar already represent France in youth and sevens so I don’t think he will represent Romania


Various sources told that Motoc is born in France, in Saumur, including FRR website and Racing92 official website
http://www.racing92.fr/en/Adrian_MOTOC-229-253.html
https://frr.ro/2015/10/24/jucator-al-ec ... -lisabona/

But lived in Romania from his 5 .

amz wrote:Septar (Clermont) refused, he wants to play for France, clearly a player like him would have probably a guaranteed first XV choice. Stroe (Castres) is still undecided, probably he waits to see if he'll be call up by France, if not he'll probably play for Romania.


I heard the same things

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby datodato » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 16:27

Is there a link for the match?

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby fullbackace » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 16:52

What's wrong with Vlaicu. He's been inconsistent lately.
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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 18:27

fullbackace wrote:What's wrong with Vlaicu. He's been inconsistent lately.


Age?

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby Kiroshi » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 18:50

4N wrote:
In total, there are 10 U23 players in the squad called up for Tonga match. Point me please another T2 squad with so many youngsters


What do you mean? The extended squad? Who cares. As usual, your XV isn't young.

1. Lazar (Castres) 31
2. Radoi (Timisoara Saracens) 30
3. Tarus (Sale Sharks) 28
4. van Heerden (Stiinta Baia Mare) 30
5. Poparlan (Timisara) 30
6. Chirica (Baia Mare) 20
7. Nistor (Albi) 23
8.(C)Burcea (CSM Bucuresti) 34
9.Surugiu (Steaua Bucuresti) 32
10.Vlaicu (Steaua Bucuresti) 31
11.Dumitru (Steaua Bucuresti) 25
12.Fakaosilea (Stiinta Baia Mare) 30
13.Kinikinilau (CSM Bucuresti) 31
14.Tangimana (Timisoara Saracens) 28
15.Simionescu (Timisoara Satacens) 20

Avg age 28.2. Not young by any measure. It's average or leans slightly older compared to other international sides. The number of 30+ players is certainly high.


So when is the next doomsday for Romanian Rugby? It should have been 2012 when the whole world should have ended right?

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby Bogdan_DC » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 22:11

@beber you are right about Motoc, he was born in France but raised in Romanian rugby.
About Tonga game. Great to see a depleted Romania playing in equal terms with Tonga but I am disappointed that in a day we could advance on 13th in the world or even 12th, players like Ursache captained his side in top14, his brother scored a try in prod 2, our captain Macovei scored also, Antonescu start for Colomiers and Gorcioaia played in Prod2.This 5 guys should be on the field today for Romania not for their clubs in France.

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby amz » Sun, 26 Nov 2017, 01:07

fullbackace wrote:What's wrong with Vlaicu. He's been inconsistent lately.


very inconsistent, including in SL albeit there is moved from 10 to 12 and even 13 depending how they want to give game time to certain players but it is his fault, after some good time at 10 he seems forgot some basics. It could be age also but looking to other phases of his game doesn't look like. I think he still have the boot but he needs to pick his involvement in the game more carefully.

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby Neptune » Sun, 26 Nov 2017, 02:16

Final scores please

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby NedRugby » Sun, 26 Nov 2017, 05:44

20 - 25

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby amz » Sun, 26 Nov 2017, 13:20

beber wrote:Various sources told that Motoc is born in France, in Saumur, including FRR website and Racing92 official website
http://www.racing92.fr/en/Adrian_MOTOC-229-253.html
https://frr.ro/2015/10/24/jucator-al-ec ... -lisabona/


Possible he was born in France but played for Steaua his junior career and I think he started rugby here at 11 yo. His family come back to Romania when he was 5.

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby sk 88 » Sun, 26 Nov 2017, 13:36

Does anyone have the correct Tonga team?

I know Kalamafoni didn't play, he was at Welford Road yesterday (though oddly not playing there either)

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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby amz » Sun, 26 Nov 2017, 13:43


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Re: 25th November Romania vs Tonga

Postby datodato » Sun, 26 Nov 2017, 14:53

Tonga seemed to miss a lot of Players as well. I wondered why Kalamafoni or Latu didn't play. How was the match overall?

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