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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 09:36

It may sound ungrateful to those who embodied Spanish rugby at the time, but it's extremely naive to link current state of rugby in Spain to 1994 (Wales came here due to RWC qualifiers), 1999 (although it was my first time watching rugby and I'm not the only one) or 2001 (yes, Australia is thought to be the biggest attendance at Central, but in Spain we always talked of some 10-12,000 spectators. 8,000 probably falls short) big games against T1 sides.

Between 1998 and 2006 the number of registered players only increased by 2,000 (+14%). Between 2006 and 2014 it was raised by 9,000 (+53%). And we've yet to have 2017 figures, but I believe it's grown since by around 9,000 in three years...

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 10:28

Wallabies were suppose to play both Canada and Spain on that November tour back in 2001. Got cancelled due to the Canadian players going on strike. That match against Spain was the only time in our history we played a T3 nation outside of a World Cup, might very well be the only time any RC team has played a test match in Europe outside of the UK, France and Italy. I think it was played mid-week also if memory serves me right. I remember seeing highlights of the match, never been able to track down a copy of the full match though. Not even any highlights on youtube sadly.

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 10:47

It was live on Spanish public TV at the time, so a recording must exist.

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 10:53

Not all Wallaby tour games were broadcast down here back then, so they may not have shown it here. Let me know if you stumble across any footage of the match. :)

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 11:59

Armchair Fan wrote:It may sound ungrateful to those who embodied Spanish rugby at the time, but it's extremely naive to link current state of rugby in Spain to 1994 (Wales came here due to RWC qualifiers), 1999 (although it was my first time watching rugby and I'm not the only one) or 2001 (yes, Australia is thought to be the biggest attendance at Central, but in Spain we always talked of some 10-12,000 spectators. 8,000 probably falls short) big games against T1 sides.

Between 1998 and 2006 the number of registered players only increased by 2,000 (+14%). Between 2006 and 2014 it was raised by 9,000 (+53%). And we've yet to have 2017 figures, but I believe it's grown since by around 9,000 in three years...


Fair enough. I wasn't aware at all before that Australia (or another t1-side for that matter) had played any European t3 sides outside of a RWC or a qualifying match (Ireland had to qualify for 2003 i.e.). Thanks for the increase in playing numbers. As always I don't think that there is really a single event to trigger anything, but it is always more things happening together. Still some events could have bigger influences than others. Apparently this wasn't the case here.
Were there continuing tv broadcasts between 2001 and now and when did they start to show rugby on national tv?
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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby RugbyPUBtbilisi » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 14:25

Georgia will host French Barbarians on 31st May before the official test matches.

31 May:
Georgia - French Barbarians
Dunamo Arena, Tbilisi

June:
Fiji - Georgia
Tonga - Georgia
Suva, Fiji

Japan - Georgi

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 14:27

Can we say FFR is starting to pay its debts for France 2023? Congrats.

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby GeoRugby » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 15:25

So the rumors turned out to be true. French Barbarians it is. It will be good practice for Georgia before Fiji game. All in all great fixtures for Georgia this summer.

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby victorsra » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 15:49

sk 88 wrote:
victorsra wrote:
I think I read somewhere it will be in Japan. Not certain though.

AFAIK Hong Kong

Trust me, you don't want to play Spain in June. I don't think we would offer you a decent game. Spanish teams in June have always been spanked by Argentina XV.

But first, let's wait for the end of European RWC qualifiers.

If Spain qualifies to the WC, World Rugby will make them play full strenght in June (and WR will pay the travel). I am pretty sure about that and USA would be the logical place.



And how will they do that?


World Rugby always funds T3s travels. All of the in June and November T3s tests. If they will fund it must be the best Spanish team. I dont see why FER would not want it.
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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby victorsra » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 15:50

RugbyPUBtbilisi wrote:Georgia will host French Barbarians on 31st May before the official test matches.

31 May:
Georgia - French Barbarians
Dunamo Arena, Tbilisi

June:
Fiji - Georgia
Tonga - Georgia
Suva, Fiji

Japan - Georgi


They could play in Russia too...
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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby sk 88 » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 18:02

RugbyPUBtbilisi wrote:Georgia will host French Barbarians on 31st May before the official test matches.

31 May:
Georgia - French Barbarians
Dunamo Arena, Tbilisi

June:
Fiji - Georgia
Tonga - Georgia
Suva, Fiji

Japan - Georgi



What sort of team will the French Barbarians be putting out on 31st May? Is that after Top 14 regular season is finished?

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby GeoRugby » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 18:37

By May 31 both semifinals of Top14 will have been played. Final in on June 2. All Georgian players should be available except if there are any who'll make it to the final. I'm hoping the French bring a strong team.

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby Hinato » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 20:55

GeoRugby wrote:By May 31 both semifinals of Top14 will have been played. Final in on June 2. All Georgian players should be available except if there are any who'll make it to the final. I'm hoping the French bring a strong team.


Since 2017, French Barbarians = France A. This will be a great team with players of very good level (Top 14 / Pro D2) for Georgia.

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby GeoRugby » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 21:16

Hinato wrote:
GeoRugby wrote:By May 31 both semifinals of Top14 will have been played. Final in on June 2. All Georgian players should be available except if there are any who'll make it to the final. I'm hoping the French bring a strong team.


Since 2017, French Barbarians = France A. This will be a great team with players of very good level (Top 14 / Pro D2) for Georgia.

Probably the strongest rugby team to visit Georgia so far, depending on who they select.

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby TheStroBro » Tue, 20 Feb 2018, 22:57

Hinato wrote:
GeoRugby wrote:By May 31 both semifinals of Top14 will have been played. Final in on June 2. All Georgian players should be available except if there are any who'll make it to the final. I'm hoping the French bring a strong team.


Since 2017, French Barbarians = France A. This will be a great team with players of very good level (Top 14 / Pro D2) for Georgia.

Not necessarily. This last summer you had a France XV v. NZ XV as a mid-week fixture. And previous to that the Maori had played the French Barbarians.

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby NaBUru38 » Wed, 21 Feb 2018, 19:01

So who's playing the 2018 Nations Cup?

I think it should be a six-team tournament, featuring three South American teams (Uruguay, Chile and Brazil) versus three international teams (Europe 2, Europe 4 and Namibia).

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby 4N » Wed, 21 Feb 2018, 19:15

IMO, an interesting Nations Cup would be:

Brazil
Uruguay
Argentina XV
Japan A
Italy A
Spain (or Germany)

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby NaBUru38 » Wed, 21 Feb 2018, 19:19

I would prefer more test matches, especially for Brazil and Chile.

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 22 Feb 2018, 03:01

Nations like Kenya, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Russia and Spain would be good opposition.

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby victorsra » Thu, 22 Feb 2018, 03:13

I would prefer two Nations Cups (like when there was the Tbilisi Cup) with 4 teams, rather than a competition with 6 teams and a bizarre format that can't have any public appeal. Those 6-teams tournaments with 3 rounds with only intergroup matches are the marketing nightmare.
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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby carbonero » Thu, 22 Feb 2018, 03:27

There isn’t any format that can make the Nations Cup marketable

thatrugbyguy wrote:Nations like Kenya, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Russia and Spain would be good opposition.

African sides are playing qualifiers in June

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby victorsra » Thu, 22 Feb 2018, 04:17

4 teams, everybody against everybody in 3 rounds. How is it not good?
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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby carbonero » Thu, 22 Feb 2018, 04:50

It doesn’t move the needle. This tournament will never have any sort of public appeal.

Three matches in eight days is a bigger problem than the format. Then the development sides that nobody cares about. Even Spain brought practically an “A” side. Why bother? Use that money to help Spain, Russia and Namibia tour South America.

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby DotJP » Thu, 22 Feb 2018, 15:28

Italy v Yamaha Jubilo will be held on June 2 at Nagano U stadium.

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Re: 2018 June Internationals

Postby NaBUru38 » Thu, 22 Feb 2018, 15:38

carbonero wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:Nations like Kenya, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Russia and Spain would be good opposition.

African sides are playing qualifiers in June


There should be an Americas Pacific Challenge equivalent between European and African countries.

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