Tier 2 & 3 Rugby Forum

2027 RWC bids

Posts: 53
Joined: Thu, 19 Oct 2017, 21:52
National Flag:
New ZealandNew Zealand

Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby Immenso » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 22:34

sk 88 wrote:
2) As for June tours being "lucrative" we can categorically rule that out. A normal tour does not net the tourists any money at all as far as I am aware. The Lions tour only sent back a dividend of £1.25m for each of the home nations. A 12 Euroes would not need to net huge monies to make a bigger contribution. Using the same 21 match format as the Under 20s means each game would need to generate a net £700k to yield the £15m needed to out perform the Lions tour financially. The 2015 RWC reportedly generated £400m on 48 games or £8.3m per match.


To digress.

The Lions tour sent back a dividend of £1.25m for each of the home nations, while the 4 home unions also fulfilled their 'away' obligations by sending development teams away in June as full capped tours to Argentina, Australia etc.

So the true benefit is; Away obligation fulfilled, so now get to keep 100% of home November tours in return. Plus also earn £1.25m each for the Lions 'sideline business'.

For your calculations above to be correct for working out the cost/benefits of a June Euros every 4 years. You need to factor in that the 6 Nations teams won't get to play at home in November of that year v SH teams (or if they do, won't keep 100% of their gate in those years).

Posts: 40
Joined: Sun, 11 Mar 2018, 17:39
National Flag:
IrelandIreland

Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby Grayday88 » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 23:34

Going back to the Denver RL match I can’t help but notice that 19k is being sold as a success whereas the RU press portrayed the 21 k for Wales Springboks as a failure

Posts: 1940
Joined: Wed, 16 Apr 2014, 19:00
National Flag:
United StatesUnited States

Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby Coloradoan » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 23:50

Grayday88 wrote:Going back to the Denver RL match I can’t help but notice that 19k is being sold as a success whereas the RU press portrayed the 21 k for Wales Springboks as a failure


21k for Wales-Springboks was a failure because RIM lost substantial money on it, which means it impacted USA Rugby.

Posts: 4014
Joined: Sat, 05 Jul 2014, 02:44
National Flag:
AustraliaAustralia

Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 03:01

The RL test lost money also but only for the promoter and not the game itself. The IRLF, NRL and the USARL had no investment in the event, hence why the SA v Wal test is considered a flop. I think the RFL and NZRL were guaranteed a decent payout regardless if the crowd was 19,000 or 72,000. It's a success by virtue of it being someone else's money that's being lost.

Posts: 434
Joined: Thu, 06 Apr 2017, 17:09
National Flag:
United StatesUnited States

Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby Tobar » Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 11:56

It’s also League which is next to nonexistent in the US. There isn’t even a club in Colorado. I think the closest one is in Chicago.

Posts: 203
Joined: Mon, 12 Mar 2018, 02:19
National Flag:
EnglandEngland

Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby Blurandski » Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 13:27

Anyone who walked out of that thinking ‘I want more rugby’ is probably going to join a local union club/ go watch the MLR playoffs at Glendale.

Posts: 1075
Joined: Thu, 23 Feb 2017, 01:37
National Flag:
United StatesUnited States

Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby TheStroBro » Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 15:48

Most people showed up looking for the All Blacks...

Posts: 1753
Joined: Sun, 20 Apr 2014, 16:57
Location: Leicester
National Flag:
Great BritainGreat Britain

Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby sk 88 » Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 17:41

Immenso wrote:
sk 88 wrote:
2) As for June tours being "lucrative" we can categorically rule that out. A normal tour does not net the tourists any money at all as far as I am aware. The Lions tour only sent back a dividend of £1.25m for each of the home nations. A 12 Euroes would not need to net huge monies to make a bigger contribution. Using the same 21 match format as the Under 20s means each game would need to generate a net £700k to yield the £15m needed to out perform the Lions tour financially. The 2015 RWC reportedly generated £400m on 48 games or £8.3m per match.


To digress.

The Lions tour sent back a dividend of £1.25m for each of the home nations, while the 4 home unions also fulfilled their 'away' obligations by sending development teams away in June as full capped tours to Argentina, Australia etc.

So the true benefit is; Away obligation fulfilled, so now get to keep 100% of home November tours in return. Plus also earn £1.25m each for the Lions 'sideline business'.

For your calculations above to be correct for working out the cost/benefits of a June Euros every 4 years. You need to factor in that the 6 Nations teams won't get to play at home in November of that year v SH teams (or if they do, won't keep 100% of their gate in those years).



Yeah, we'd see about that. The other southern hemisphere nations could always play their local neighbours like Fiji or Tonga. :shock:

Previous

Return to Rugby Forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: fridge46, NaBUru38, zgs and 15 guests