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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby STMKY » Mon, 18 Dec 2017, 11:46

And how then did Krasny Yar play in Rustavi against Timisoara? And Now they are planning Enisei v Newcastle and Yar v Irish in Tbilisi. This is normal? Perhaps you are behind the reality and the situation has changed ;)

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby Bogdan_DC » Mon, 18 Dec 2017, 11:55

I can't wait to see 80k Irish flying to a co-event hosted by Russia&Georgia:). I've been in Georgia and is a very beautiful country, i am sure that Russia is too but really you believe this Russia&Georgia hosting a World Cup? OK than i will not interfere with your dreams:).

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 18 Dec 2017, 15:53

victorsra wrote:It is very likely to see South Africa bidding too, right?


Like it or not, South Africa has lost too many bids. For some reason, they are not getting votes.

Australia is a solid Southern candidate, same as Argentina. Having both will make it easier for yet another European bid

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 18 Dec 2017, 15:57

Thomas wrote:Can Argentina afford it? That is the question, I am sure their priorities lie elsewhere The inflation rate in Argentina was recorded at 22.90 percent in October so unless something drastically happens they are out on Economic reasons.


Inflation is the least of problems in Argentina.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 18 Dec 2017, 15:59

Armchair Fan wrote:I don't know if there is another one, but in this one he was rather pessimistic: https://www.facebook.com/SantiAngel1996 ... 6067958368


Translation: Macri wants the the F1 Grand Prix, the 2027 Basketball World Cup, and the 2030 Fifa World Cup. Nothing else matters to him.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby 4N » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 17:22

What impact does Canada-Mexico-USA winning FIFA 2026 have? Does it rule out RWC 2027 in USA? 2028 summer Olympics are in US too.

It's probably good news for England's (or a pan-British) 2030 FIFA bid, and bad news for Argentina-Paraguay-Uruguay's centenary bid.

That being said, I would like to see Argentina, or Argentina-Brazil-Uruguay bid for RWC 2027.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby TheStroBro » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 18:02

4N wrote:What impact does Canada-Mexico-USA winning FIFA 2026 have? Does it rule out RWC 2027 in USA? 2028 summer Olympics are in US too.

It's probably good news for England's (or a pan-British) 2030 FIFA bid, and bad news for Argentina-Paraguay-Uruguay's centenary bid.

That being said, I would like to see Argentina, or Argentina-Brazil-Uruguay bid for RWC 2027.


I would say it rules us out as WR will want the spotlight on itself. A Few venues used in the 2026 Soccer World Cup and 2028 Olympics will be the same. We really aren't in position to bid for 2027, our board is gone and WR will require a comprehensive governance overhaul as part of the bailout. If MLR succeeds we will have good partners for a 2031 bid.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby carbonero » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 18:32

4N wrote:That being said, I would like to see Argentina, or Argentina-Brazil-Uruguay bid for RWC 2027.

No chance. Argentina won’t even bid for the 2027 RWC. We also just voided the bid for the basketball one with Uruguay after the last currency crisis. The football was already a long shot.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby jservuk » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 18:51

4N wrote:What impact does Canada-Mexico-USA winning FIFA 2026 have? Does it rule out RWC 2027 in USA? 2028 summer Olympics are in US too.

It's probably good news for England's (or a pan-British) 2030 FIFA bid, and bad news for Argentina-Paraguay-Uruguay's centenary bid.

That being said, I would like to see Argentina, or Argentina-Brazil-Uruguay bid for RWC 2027.


Good question. In England/UK, when bidding for FIFA 2018 (they'll be many an envious eye looking eastward tomorrow in England I think) they thought the Olympics and RWC 2015 would mean the FIFA 2018 would be their "Triple Crown", and put a positive "Nation of Sport" spin on it. Sandwiched between the BIG 2 I think RWC would feel it risked being less prominent than if it ran as a standalone event.

I also think the timing of RWC being the same time as the early stages of the NFL regular season might work against it.

Regarding 2030 .. who's to say by then it wont be bi-annual, England 2028, and Arg/Uru 2030.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby 4N » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 19:43

jservuk wrote:
4N wrote:What impact does Canada-Mexico-USA winning FIFA 2026 have? Does it rule out RWC 2027 in USA? 2028 summer Olympics are in US too.

It's probably good news for England's (or a pan-British) 2030 FIFA bid, and bad news for Argentina-Paraguay-Uruguay's centenary bid.

That being said, I would like to see Argentina, or Argentina-Brazil-Uruguay bid for RWC 2027.


Good question. In England/UK, when bidding for FIFA 2018 (they'll be many an envious eye looking eastward tomorrow in England I think) they thought the Olympics and RWC 2015 would mean the FIFA 2018 would be their "Triple Crown", and put a positive "Nation of Sport" spin on it. Sandwiched between the BIG 2 I think RWC would feel it risked being less prominent than if it ran as a standalone event.

I also think the timing of RWC being the same time as the early stages of the NFL regular season might work against it.

Regarding 2030 .. who's to say by then it wont be bi-annual, England 2028, and Arg/Uru 2030.


Fair point. That's a possibility I guess.

Carbonero, even if it was partially funded by others and FIFA 2030 starts to look unlikely?

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby TheStroBro » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 19:51

jservuk wrote:
4N wrote:What impact does Canada-Mexico-USA winning FIFA 2026 have? Does it rule out RWC 2027 in USA? 2028 summer Olympics are in US too.

It's probably good news for England's (or a pan-British) 2030 FIFA bid, and bad news for Argentina-Paraguay-Uruguay's centenary bid.

That being said, I would like to see Argentina, or Argentina-Brazil-Uruguay bid for RWC 2027.


Good question. In England/UK, when bidding for FIFA 2018 (they'll be many an envious eye looking eastward tomorrow in England I think) they thought the Olympics and RWC 2015 would mean the FIFA 2018 would be their "Triple Crown", and put a positive "Nation of Sport" spin on it. Sandwiched between the BIG 2 I think RWC would feel it risked being less prominent than if it ran as a standalone event.

I also think the timing of RWC being the same time as the early stages of the NFL regular season might work against it.

Regarding 2030 .. who's to say by then it wont be bi-annual, England 2028, and Arg/Uru 2030.


I understand the global calendar is in effect until 2032...but FIFA is shifting the whole window for the Qatar World Cup, why not shift 2031 RWC? or Say 2035 for the US?

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby sk 88 » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 20:18

There is zero chance of a word cup every two years. Far too many vested interests in the confederations and their own tournaments.

I read FIFA are looking at a club world cup to run in one of the "off" summers from the WC and Euros.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby Blurandski » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 20:32

sk 88 wrote:There is zero chance of a word cup every two years. Far too many vested interests in the confederations and their own tournaments.

I read FIFA are looking at a club world cup to run in one of the "off" summers from the WC and Euros.


I really want continental championships in Lions years. The 6 nations teams, plus the 6 REC teams, and the last four places decided by a knockout qualifying comp over the preceding year between the other European sides (29 nations compete outside the 6N/REC, so have a 3 round, unseeded knockout competition) would be amazing fun.

However it'd mean that there would be up to 6 games for winners, which may not be acceptable at first, so you could do a 12 team competition (4 lots of 3), with the winners of each group going into the semis, 2nd places into plate semis, 3rd places into bowl semis.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby Tobar » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 20:44

carbonero wrote:
4N wrote:That being said, I would like to see Argentina, or Argentina-Brazil-Uruguay bid for RWC 2027.

No chance. Argentina won’t even bid for the 2027 RWC. We also just voided the bid for the basketball one with Uruguay after the last currency crisis. The football was already a long shot.


Didn't they already bid for RWC 2027?

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2016/10/0 ... a-2027-bid

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Postby Blurandski » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 20:54

Tobar wrote:
carbonero wrote:
4N wrote:That being said, I would like to see Argentina, or Argentina-Brazil-Uruguay bid for RWC 2027.

No chance. Argentina won’t even bid for the 2027 RWC. We also just voided the bid for the basketball one with Uruguay after the last currency crisis. The football was already a long shot.


Didn't they already bid for RWC 2027?

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2016/10/0 ... a-2027-bid


They've expressed interest, but the process hasn't formally begun yet. In 12 and a half months WR will publicly announce who is bidding.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby carbonero » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 21:46

4N wrote: Carbonero, even if it was partially funded by others and FIFA 2030 starts to look unlikely?

Who can partially fund it? Uruguay doesn’t have the money. And Brazil with their recent history won’t get near it.

Also, we’ve seen how the bidding process works. Argentina can’t offer anything to sway the vote. And we still have tons of question marks around infrastructure. Thus, without government support it is virtually impossible to see us bid for the cup.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby 4N » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 21:55

Hosts automatically qualify, incentive for investment. Maybe they could extend to co-hosts as well, especially if the tournament expands.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 01:39

I don't see why the FIFA world cup would mean RWC can't be held in the US. Australia hosted the Olympics and the RWC in a 3 years period, Japan are hosting the same two events within 12 months of each other. If anything 2027 is the right moment for the US, because realistically Australia is the only other option.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 02:21

I think a RWC can't be 1 year BEFORE a FIFA WC in the same country. But 1 year AFTER is perfectly ok.

The question about a 2027 RWC in USA is that they also have the Olympics in 2028 (LA). It would only work if US' government sees a 2027 RWC as part of a golden 3-years cycle of megaevents or something like this and REALLY promotes the 3 events together. Otherwise 2027 would be overshadowed.
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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 08:10

Actually, treating it as hosting three of the biggest sporting events in a 3 years cycle wouldn't be a bad thing. One big massive sporting package.

FIFA World Cup - 2026
Rugby World Cup - 2027
Olympic Games - 2028

That's a pretty sweet series of sporting events that can be marketed to people in the US. Only issue is RWC would have to be played in June/July before the NFL starts.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby sk 88 » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 12:31

Blurandski wrote:
sk 88 wrote:There is zero chance of a word cup every two years. Far too many vested interests in the confederations and their own tournaments.

I read FIFA are looking at a club world cup to run in one of the "off" summers from the WC and Euros.


I really want continental championships in Lions years. The 6 nations teams, plus the 6 REC teams, and the last four places decided by a knockout qualifying comp over the preceding year between the other European sides (29 nations compete outside the 6N/REC, so have a 3 round, unseeded knockout competition) would be amazing fun.

However it'd mean that there would be up to 6 games for winners, which may not be acceptable at first, so you could do a 12 team competition (4 lots of 3), with the winners of each group going into the semis, 2nd places into plate semis, 3rd places into bowl semis.


Yes I'd love a Euros in rugby, this comes up quite a lot on this board as it is an idea with such potential. Personally I'd go with 12 sides for the first competition for a couple of reasons. 1) you don't want a 100-0 as its just bad PR, all the REC sides would be reasonably competitive to at least keep the score down. 2) The Lions tours only actually generate £1.25m for the home nations. A 12 team tournaments would only need to yield £15m in total for an even revenue split to see it be financially worthwhile. There is half a chance British and French TV rights alone would top this. C4 has reportedly paid £300k for the Wales tour matches this summer, and I'm unclear if that was actually just for the SA match alone or all three games.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby sk 88 » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 12:37

thatrugbyguy wrote:I don't see why the FIFA world cup would mean RWC can't be held in the US. Australia hosted the Olympics and the RWC in a 3 years period, Japan are hosting the same two events within 12 months of each other. If anything 2027 is the right moment for the US, because realistically Australia is the only other option.



So the UK hosted in 91 and 99, I wouldn't rule out another Japanese bid if 2019 is a very successful event. You've also got South Africa and Italy as realistic hosts.

Spain could put together a compelling bid and there is a lot of sympathy around them right now that will probably last for a while. On Spain you've already had big events hosted in Barcelona, Bilbao, Valladoid and San Sebastian. Add in Madrid, where surely you could sell well a massive game, and a town like Sevilla or Malaga in the south and you're pretty much there. I mean that is at least as likely as a USA bid, if not in itself actually very likely.

Portugal has bid for the women's RWC. Now there would be a real outlier capable of a competent bid using Euro 2004 stadiums etc.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby Raven » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 13:12

sk 88 wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:I don't see why the FIFA world cup would mean RWC can't be held in the US. Australia hosted the Olympics and the RWC in a 3 years period, Japan are hosting the same two events within 12 months of each other. If anything 2027 is the right moment for the US, because realistically Australia is the only other option.



So the UK hosted in 91 and 99, I wouldn't rule out another Japanese bid if 2019 is a very successful event. You've also got South Africa and Italy as realistic hosts.

Spain could put together a compelling bid and there is a lot of sympathy around them right now that will probably last for a while. On Spain you've already had big events hosted in Barcelona, Bilbao, Valladoid and San Sebastian. Add in Madrid, where surely you could sell well a massive game, and a town like Sevilla or Malaga in the south and you're pretty much there. I mean that is at least as likely as a USA bid, if not in itself actually very likely.

Portugal has bid for the women's RWC. Now there would be a real outlier capable of a competent bid using Euro 2004 stadiums etc.


With 2023 happening in France already I doubt they give the 2027 RWC to Spain, or Italy.

I suppose South Africa will bid again, and perhaps US regardless of the events happening on previous or subsequent years and the NFL... As for Argentina´s chances of organising a RWC, here´s a nice article for you (a bit long, but worth the reading): https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... m-14777270

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 13:19

There’s no way I could see Spain getting a World Cup before Italy.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby 4N » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 13:53

Why? They got the Euro Cup final before Italy. It's closer for old 5N fans (French especially - see Top 14 final in Barcelona) and honestly I don't think rugby is too far behind popularity-wise compared to Italy.

But 2027 won't happen after France 2023. Maybe 2031, though I think the push will be on for USA at that point.

Hosting FIFA WC-RWC-Olympics in consecutive years makes the RWC an afterthought btw. I will need a more comprehensive argument against that than it could be "pretty sweet."

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