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European U18 Championships 2018

Postby NedRugby » Thu, 08 Mar 2018, 17:58

I thought I would start a thread for this rather than swamp the general youth thread.

Starting on March 25th, the format is quarterfinals, semis and finals, with all the placing matches giving final positions 1-8. I believe bottom placed team is relegated to the trophy, or there may be a promotion relegation playoff?

Quarterfinal pairings are as follows:

POR - RUS
GEO - NED
ESP - BEL
FRA - ROU

http://www.rugbyeurope.eu/competitions/ ... ampionship

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby NedRugby » Thu, 08 Mar 2018, 18:18

Netherlands squad:
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Spencer      Bours                 Rugby Club Eemland
Mike         Broekman              RFC Haarlem
Jort         Doornenbal            Castricumse Rugby Club
Sean         Elands                Rugby Club Den Helder
Matthew      Fremouw               Rugby Club 't Gooi
Delano       Jansen van der Sligte Rugby Club Eemland
Dave         Koelman               Stanford College
Tyren        Kroos                 Northwood College
Pieter-Bas   Kwaijtaal             Rugby Club The Dukes
Tristan      Lamme                 Rugby Club Hilversum
Joël         Lemmink               Rugby Club The Dukes
Micky        Li                    Rugby Club Hilversum
Daily        Limmen                Castricumse Rugby Club
Douwe        Meulenbeld            Rugby Club Etten-Leur
Bas          Michel                Haagsche Rugby Club
Wytze        Molenkamp             Rugby Club Eemland
Max          van Nieuwpoort        Rugby Club Eemland
Maverick     Ristimaki             Rugby Club Hilversum
Nelson       Rosmalen              Rugby Club de Bokkerijders
Luc          Schöller              Haagsche Rugby Club
Leylan       Tjoe Nij              Amstelveense Rugby Club
Ole          Veenstra              Rugby Club Eemland
Dirk         Wieringa              Castricumse Rugby Club
Maxou        Zerdoun               Haagsche Rugby Club
Dale         Zonneveld             Castricumse Rugby Club

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 08 Mar 2018, 19:56

In ceterum censeo:
Thanks to France the only 6 Nations nation who knows what sportsmanship is. 3 years have passed since the Shame Nations and Italy left the Euro U18 championship 2015, after Georgia finished 2nd and Portugal 6th out of 8.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby NedRugby » Thu, 08 Mar 2018, 22:00

Yes, I doubt there is anyone on these boards who would disagree with you on that.

Last year Japan USA and Canada were invited to join in along with the best five European countries.
http://www.rugbyeurope.eu/competitions/ ... ampionship I don't know if that was considered a failed experiment (Canada and USA were pretty disappointing, finishing 7th and 8th) but whatever the reason this year it is the top eight European countries, out of those who are interested in joining in.

http://www.rugbyeurope.eu/competitions/ ... ampionship

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby Coloradoan » Thu, 08 Mar 2018, 22:17

USA U18 teams are usually pretty weak. Someone can correct me if this is no longer the case, but you have to pay a lot of money to play on these teams, between attending selection camps, training camps and attending the actual matches. Lots of players either can't afford this or choose not to.

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby TheStroBro » Thu, 08 Mar 2018, 22:49

Coloradoan wrote:USA U18 teams are usually pretty weak. Someone can correct me if this is no longer the case, but you have to pay a lot of money to play on these teams, between attending selection camps, training camps and attending the actual matches. Lots of players either can't afford this or choose not to.

The whole system remains the same. Salty may no longer be the coach, unsure what's up with that, more austerity measures. And I'll tell you one thing, in the current crop of Eagles there are a lot of EIRA coached kids that made it through the HSAA program.

We played two friendlies against Canada U18s during the winter assembly, they won on aggregate score. I haven't seen any listings for the next HSAA coach, so I wouldn't be surprised if this Summer's fixtures against Canada are a poor performance. But the word from the winter assembly is that there were a lot high level athletes there.

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 09 Mar 2018, 08:14

Just to compare the 2017 Trophy result:
http://www.rugbyeurope.eu/competitions/ ... ens-trophy
Trophy Ranking 2017
1. Russia
2. Netherlands
3. Romania
4. Germany
5. Czech Republic
6. Poland
7. Luxembourg
8. Ukraine

Romania edged out Germany in a close 18:14-win to be a part of this year's championship. So naturally (and hopefully 8-) ) Germany should be the favourite in the Trophy.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby NedRugby » Fri, 16 Mar 2018, 13:01

The U18 trophy will take place in parallel to the championship, also in Poland.

Quarter-final line-up:

CZE - LAT
POL - UKR
GER - SUI
LUX - LTU

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby sk 88 » Sat, 17 Mar 2018, 10:07

NedRugby wrote:Netherlands squad:
Code: Select all
Spencer      Bours                 Rugby Club Eemland
Mike         Broekman              RFC Haarlem
Jort         Doornenbal            Castricumse Rugby Club
Sean         Elands                Rugby Club Den Helder
Matthew      Fremouw               Rugby Club 't Gooi
Delano       Jansen van der Sligte Rugby Club Eemland
[b]Dave         Koelman               Stanford College[/b]
Tyren        Kroos                 Northwood College
Pieter-Bas   Kwaijtaal             Rugby Club The Dukes
Tristan      Lamme                 Rugby Club Hilversum
Joël         Lemmink               Rugby Club The Dukes
Micky        Li                    Rugby Club Hilversum
Daily        Limmen                Castricumse Rugby Club
Douwe        Meulenbeld            Rugby Club Etten-Leur
Bas          Michel                Haagsche Rugby Club
Wytze        Molenkamp             Rugby Club Eemland
Max          van Nieuwpoort        Rugby Club Eemland
Maverick     Ristimaki             Rugby Club Hilversum
Nelson       Rosmalen              Rugby Club de Bokkerijders
Luc          Schöller              Haagsche Rugby Club
Leylan       Tjoe Nij              Amstelveense Rugby Club
Ole          Veenstra              Rugby Club Eemland
Dirk         Wieringa              Castricumse Rugby Club
Maxou        Zerdoun               Haagsche Rugby Club
Dale         Zonneveld             Castricumse Rugby Club



Minor point, it is "Stamford" college rather than "Stanford". Koelman played from the bench as Leicester won the English under 18s league last week. :thumbup:

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby beber » Mon, 19 Mar 2018, 19:33

Looks like France is fielding his second string team
https://www.ffr.fr/Equipes-de-France/Ha ... t-d-Europe


FORWARDS
CAZAJOUS Nathan (Stade Rochelais, Pôle Tours)
DECAUX Alexis (Castres Olympique, Pôle Toulouse)
DUCLIEU Pierre Alexandre (Lyon OU, Pôle Villefranche)
FOURNIER Clément (Dijon, Pôle Dijon)
HEBERT Thomas (Stade Toulousain)
IKAHEHEGI Aselo (Racing 92)
LAGET Joseph (Provence Rugby, Pôle Hyères)
LALANNE Alexandre (Aviron Bayonnais, Pôle Bayonne)
LOTRIAN Sacha (USA Perpignan)
PAUL Julien (RC Toulon, Pôle Hyères)
PLOYET Thomas (Stade Rochelais, Pôle Tours)
ROUSSET Lilian (Lyon OU, Pôle Villefranche)
TARDITS Samuel (Biarritz Olympique, Pôle Bayonne)
WITZ Fabien (RC Massy Essonne, Pôle Lakanal)

BACKS
BOULHAGRIFA Foued (SU Agen, Pôle Talence)
DUMORTIER Ethan (Lyon OU)
EPEE Nelson (Stade Toulousain, Pôle Toulouse)
GUILLEMIN Fabien (FC Grenoble, Pôle Villefranche)
GUYON Nils (Stade Rochelais)
IDJELLIDAINE Théo (Stade Toulousain, Pôle Toulouse)
LERAITRE Paul (Racing 92)
MACIA Mathis (Racing 92, Pôle Lakanal)
MOURA Joris (Lyon OU, Pôle Villefranche)
ODINGA Alexandre (Racing 92, Pôle Lakanal)
RECOR Paul (AS Béziers H, Pôle Béziers)
TREILLES Léo (AS Clermont Auvergne)

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby 4N » Mon, 19 Mar 2018, 19:58

beber wrote:TARDITS Samuel (Biarritz Olympique, Pôle Bayonne)


Son of former USA Eagle and NFL Richard Tardits. Could be eligible for USA since he was born in Atlanta, but it seems college football is on his radar.

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/tea ... -footsteps

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby BigG » Mon, 19 Mar 2018, 21:01

[quote="beber"]Looks like France is fielding his second string team
https://www.ffr.fr/Equipes-de-France/Ha ... t-d-Europe


Why France will introduce the "B" team? What is a reason?

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby zgs » Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 16:54

Georgians just published their U18 squad. It looks very strong (at least 10 players with Didi10 and several with U18 2017 playing experience). They have big chances to win championship.

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby BigG » Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 18:11

zgs wrote:Georgians just published their U18 squad. It looks very strong (at least 10 players with Didi10 and several with U18 2017 playing experience). They have big chances to win championship.


It depends how strong is the French side. As you know they will be represented by "B" (i.e. second) team. Their best team will participate in U18 six nations festival (I guess this is a new tournament).

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby zgs » Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 18:34

It depends how strong is the French side. As you know they will be represented by "B" (i.e. second) team. Their best team will participate in U18 six nations festival (I guess this is a new tournament).


There is official U18 Europe championship and there be team which represents France. In protocols I hope will be France and not France B. That is their choice. If they think that B team is good enough to win that competition, let them play why not.

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby BigG » Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 19:02

zgs wrote:
It depends how strong is the French side. As you know they will be represented by "B" (i.e. second) team. Their best team will participate in U18 six nations festival (I guess this is a new tournament).


There is official U18 Europe championship and there be team which represents France. In protocols I hope will be France and not France B. That is their choice. If they think that B team is good enough to win that competition, let them play why not.


Sure, they will play like France national team.
It is worth of mentioning that Six Nations always try to downgrade Rugby Europe and/or World Rugby tournaments. The new six nations festival is introduced in the same period when European Championship takes place. As you know they do not play in European Championship however they were enthusiastic to found the new tournament. A question is what was a reason behind it? Obviously this sect called 6Ns tries to isolate itself from rest of Europe.

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby zgs » Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 20:52

It is bad that 6N teams are ignoring such competition, but that is their choice. As I understand main advantage for kids toplay of U18 championship, is to gain some experience. But most of Georgians are competing in adult championship.
Hopefully, Didi10 level is higher compared to 6 Nations U18 (with all respect to 6Ns U18s players), and playing with adults is more beneficial for U18 kids. Probably they gained a lot of confidence. They can prove their high level in U20 world championship (fortunately, so far 6N teams are not ignoring this tournament).


It is bad that 6N teams are ignoring such competition, but that is their choice. As I understand main advantage for kids to play of U18 championship, is to gain some experience. But most of Georgians are competing in adult championship.Hopefully, Didi10 level is higher compared to 6 Nations U18 (with all respect to 6Ns U18s players), and playing with adults is more beneficial for U18 kids. Probably they gained a lot of confidence. They can prove their high level in U20 world championship (fortunately, so far 6N teams are not ignoring this tournament).

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby Coloradoan » Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 21:10

4N wrote:
beber wrote:TARDITS Samuel (Biarritz Olympique, Pôle Bayonne)


Son of former USA Eagle and NFL Richard Tardits. Could be eligible for USA since he was born in Atlanta, but it seems college football is on his radar.

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/tea ... -footsteps


That's an interesting article but it's a couple years old. Isn't it likely that if he is playing on this French side and has his club listed as Biarritz that he may have gone back to France and decided rugby was a better career path? One to keep an eye on for US selectors in any case.

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby 4N » Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 21:42

Coloradoan wrote:
4N wrote:
beber wrote:TARDITS Samuel (Biarritz Olympique, Pôle Bayonne)


Son of former USA Eagle and NFL Richard Tardits. Could be eligible for USA since he was born in Atlanta, but it seems college football is on his radar.

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/tea ... -footsteps


That's an interesting article but it's a couple years old. Isn't it likely that if he is playing on this French side and has his club listed as Biarritz that he may have gone back to France and decided rugby was a better career path? One to keep an eye on for US selectors in any case.


Something is wrong with the date on the article, it is from November 2017. He played as a senior this past season. Looks like a FBS/FCS prospect with scholarship offers.

https://mobile.twitter.com/samtardits
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/8098203/5a ... 034498a645

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby Coloradoan » Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 22:08

4N wrote:
Coloradoan wrote:
4N wrote:
beber wrote:TARDITS Samuel (Biarritz Olympique, Pôle Bayonne)


Son of former USA Eagle and NFL Richard Tardits. Could be eligible for USA since he was born in Atlanta, but it seems college football is on his radar.

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/tea ... -footsteps


That's an interesting article but it's a couple years old. Isn't it likely that if he is playing on this French side and has his club listed as Biarritz that he may have gone back to France and decided rugby was a better career path? One to keep an eye on for US selectors in any case.


Something is wrong with the date on the article, it is from November 2017. He played as a senior this past season. Looks like a FBS/FCS prospect with scholarship offers.

https://mobile.twitter.com/samtardits
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/8098203/5a ... 034498a645


Interesting, thanks. To make it even weirder with dates, he clearly says he's class of '18 but his 247 profile says class of '19: https://247sports.com/player/sam-tardits-46052717

Sometimes that means a player is going the prep school route, but it's probably just a mistake.

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby beber » Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 22:34

zgs wrote:Georgians just published their U18 squad. It looks very strong (at least 10 players with Didi10 and several with U18 2017 playing experience). They have big chances to win championship.


Here is the squad :

Davit Abdushelishvili (Lelo Saracens)
Mikheil Alania (Jiki Gori)
Vladimer Chachanidze (Lelo Saracens)
Luka Chelidze (Lelo Saracens)
Teimuraz Chichinadze (Jiki Gori)
Nikoloz Ghambashidze (Lelo Saracens)
Tariel Gvimradze (Khvamli)
Ioane Iashaghashvili (Iunkerebi)
Bartlome Kaladze (Chokhosnebi)
Vano Karkadze (Aia Kutaisi)
Zurab Kavtaradze (Kharebi Rustavi)
Saba Kuratishvili (Armazi Tbilisi)
Saba Kurtanidze (Khvamli)
Otar Lashkhia (Chokhosnebi)
Gigi Leskhasheli (Bagrati Kutaisi)
Lasha Lomidze (Aia Kutaisi)
Luka Macharashvili (Armazi Tbilisi)
Giorgi Margalitadze (Lelo Saracens)
Irakli Mchedlidze (Lelo Saracens)
Giorgi Mikanadze (Armazi Tbilisi)
Beka Qoriauli (Lelo Saracens)
Irakli Simsive (Aia Kutaisi)
Demur Tapladze (Lelo Saracens)
Giorgi Tevdoradze (Aia Kutaisi)
Nika Tsintsadze (Khvamli)
Kvicho Tsopurashvili (Stade Français, France)

  • Luka Chelidze (prop), Ioane Iashaghashvili (lock), Gigi Leskhasheli (backrow), Beka Qoriauli (backrow), Mikheil Alania (scrumhalf), Lasha Lomidze (centre), Irakli Simsive (centre), Demur Tapladze (centre) played the last U18 Championship
  • Kvicho Tsopurashvili (prop) is the only foreign based player
  • Despite he is born 2001, Giorgi Mikanadze (winger) toured to South Africa with Georgia 7's
  • Impressive to see some U16 players ! Davit Abdushelishvili (prop), Irakli Mchedlidze (prop), Saba Kurtanidze (flanker) and Nika Tsintsadze (flyhalf) played U16 georgian championship final last november

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby zgs » Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 23:36

Luka Chelidze (prop), Ioane Iashaghashvili (lock), Gigi Leskhasheli (backrow), Beka Qoriauli (backrow), Mikheil Alania (scrumhalf), Lasha Lomidze (centre), Irakli Simsive (centre), Demur Tapladze (centre) played the last U18 Championship
Kvicho Tsopurashvili (prop) is the only foreign based player
Despite he is born 2001, Giorgi Mikanadze (winger) toured to South Africa with Georgia 7's
Impressive to see some U16 players ! Davit Abdushelishvili (prop), Irakli Mchedlidze (prop), Saba Kurtanidze (flanker) and Nika Tsintsadze (flyhalf) played U16 georgian championship final last november


I want to add list of 10 boys with Didi10 playing experience: Alania, Chichinadze ( both Jiki Gori), Karkadze, Lomidze, Simsive, Tevdoradze (all Aia Kutaisi), Kavtaradze (Kharebi Rustavi), Leskhasheli (Bagrati Kutaisi), Margalitadze, Tapladze (both Lelo Saracens). Thus, Georgians have quite experienced team.

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby Scoob » Wed, 21 Mar 2018, 03:42

Very good under 18 team from Georgia.Lasha Lomidze is probably the best player in that team.
Interesting to see how Nika Tsinsadze goes at this level.He has all the potential to go far with very good performances in games from what i have seen.
Giorgi Mikanadze is also an interesting prospect,big guy at fullback.Real depth in the loose forwards,Saba Kurtanidze shows real potential.I think the hooker Vano Karkadze might have played last year as well in under 18 team,that guy has real pace as a hooker.
I think next years under 18 team might be even better.
I am still furious of the arrogance of 6 nations teams save France,but i have made my point about that before.

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby BigG » Wed, 21 Mar 2018, 08:19

Scoob wrote:Very good under 18 team from Georgia.Lasha Lomidze is probably the best player in that team.
Interesting to see how Nika Tsinsadze goes at this level.He has all the potential to go far with very good performances in games from what i have seen.
Giorgi Mikanadze is also an interesting prospect,big guy at fullback.Real depth in the loose forwards,Saba Kurtanidze shows real potential.I think the hooker Vano Karkadze might have played last year as well in under 18 team,that guy has real pace as a hooker.
I think next years under 18 team might be even better.
I am still furious of the arrogance of 6 nations teams save France,but i have made my point about that before.


Tell me, please how do you know all those Georgian players? Do you live in Georgia and watch Didi 10 and other leagues?

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Re: European U18 Championships 2018

Postby RugbyPUBtbilisi » Wed, 21 Mar 2018, 10:05

I want to see hiw Lasha Lomidze will perform at fly half.
He is AIA's N10 and maybe Georgia will get some serious FH at last!!

Lomidze is real prospect together with Abzhandadze...

6 Nations does everything to isolate itself from Europe, + Rugby Europe is shitty organisation and their tounaments are total joke.

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