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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby marvinparsons » Fri, 06 Oct 2017, 02:40

grande wrote:Men's Sevens Roster: http://www.rugbycanada.ca/leagues/newsl ... age=101534

Of the 21 players, 14 are from BC and 7 are from Ontario. None from anywhere else in Canada.


In Ontario all but 1 are from the GTA (Belleville) and even then he plays at Queens which is old school GTA money/connections and Belleville is at least driving distance to Toronto. Not a guy from Windsor, Ottawa, London, Sudbury, North Bay. Nada.

Looking up NHL players I randomly looked up highest point totals of active Canadian players. I didn't know the answers beforehand.
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So 2 of 10 are from Rugby Canada's only source of players. I'd guess Jerome Iginla, Ryan Getzlaf, Sidney Crosby, Shane Doan and Eric Staal would be slightly better than OK at rugby!! But...they'd barely get a look or decent training without moving 1000 kms.

The strength of Canada in rugby is our population, which is very large, but the policies in place make it extraordinarily challenging for anyone outside of certain geographical locations to move up the ladder.

The players there aren't as good, admittedly, but that is in large part because access to higher levels is stunted by RC/Unions.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby grande » Sun, 08 Oct 2017, 15:21

Hey boys, just wanted to say Happy Thanksgiving to you all. Hope it's a good one!

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby rusty_lock » Mon, 09 Oct 2017, 15:53

grande wrote:Hey boys, just wanted to say Happy Thanksgiving to you all. Hope it's a good one!
Thanks, we live in the US now so Thanksgiving is going to be at a local restaurant that serves turkey. :D

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby marvinparsons » Sat, 14 Oct 2017, 17:46

Interesting article on how New Zealand youth system works: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all ... and-barrel.

Unlike Canada they actually have scouts (50!) watching all tiers of rugby so as not to miss anyone, film games for central viewing and have position specific coaches keeping tabs on players to assess their strengths and weaknesses. A major theme is trying to reduce travel demands so everyone deserving can make it up the pipeline.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby jonny24 » Sun, 15 Oct 2017, 18:02

So, Toronto Wolfpack is sponsoring Rugby Ontario's Magnificent 7s. Start of more cooperation between codes?
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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Canadian_Rugger » Mon, 16 Oct 2017, 02:14

Probably talent spotting youth and getting the word out. It was also announced that a consortium is putting a League team in NY to begin play in 2019. Talk right now is that Super League is going to go back to licensing with a couple of more French clubs, Toronto, London and a few other NA sides set to join the fold.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby sk 88 » Mon, 16 Oct 2017, 07:26

Licencing was a big failure for them, and very divisive in the heartland, I'd be pretty surprised if they went back to that. Especially as Toronto are surely showing the advantages of getting an early season of easy wins in the bag whilst you find your feet.

I suppose London going tits up and the Catalans being in the relegation play off has emboldened the expansion at all costs brigade and converted a few of the swing voters.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Canadian_Rugger » Mon, 16 Oct 2017, 10:18

They may keep promotion/relegation but Super League is too small if they are actually serious about expansion. It was a failure because it's commercially unattractive, especially since most of the teams with the exception of Catalans are literally a stone throw from each other.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby gambass » Mon, 16 Oct 2017, 11:49

Canadian_Rugger wrote: Talk right now is that Super League is going to go back to licensing with a couple of more French clubs, Toronto, London and a few other NA sides set to join the fold.


There are some old usenet archives from the 90's where people were arguing about a Super League featuring the likes of Barcelona, Moscow or Milan. Sounds about the same, but with different names.

Still, the Wolfpack, from an european eye, seems surreal. Five figures crowd for a sport no one knows anything about ? Crazy. I don't know how viable long term this venture really is, but their achievment so far is kind of amazing. Is the Wolfpack's success (so far) duplicable in Canada or elsewhere ?

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby 4N » Mon, 16 Oct 2017, 12:13

There are some old usenet archives from the 90's where people were arguing about a Super League featuring the likes of Barcelona, Moscow or Milan. Sounds about the same, but with different names.


Pretty sure you meant to include Paris? The PSG league club was an interesting story. The difference today is Catalans and Wolfpack have succeeded so more will follow.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby gambass » Mon, 16 Oct 2017, 12:24

4N wrote:Pretty sure you meant to include Paris? The PSG league club was an interesting story. The difference today is Catalans and Wolfpack have succeeded so more will follow.


It was about the same time period. The PSG inclusion drove them crazy back then. PSG might be an interesting story, but that is also one of the worst ill conceived pro team ever. Players were supposed to constantly switch between their local clubs in the south and Paris for a start :D

Catalans is a very different story than London, Paris or Toronto as the game was alway relatively popular there. In Perpignan, they didn't create a team out of thin air.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Canadian_Rugger » Mon, 16 Oct 2017, 15:17

gambass wrote:
4N wrote:Pretty sure you meant to include Paris? The PSG league club was an interesting story. The difference today is Catalans and Wolfpack have succeeded so more will follow.


It was about the same time period. The PSG inclusion drove them crazy back then. PSG might be an interesting story, but that is also one of the worst ill conceived pro team ever. Players were supposed to constantly switch between their local clubs in the south and Paris for a start :D

Catalans is a very different story than London, Paris or Toronto as the game was alway relatively popular there. In Perpignan, they didn't create a team out of thin air.


Yes there are some decent Rugby League clubs in Southern France. Toulouse is playing in the Championship and is also pushing with Toronto for Super League inclusion. There is talk of Lezignan and Avignon trying to make a go of it in the English Leagues as well.

My feeling is Super League needs to expand to at least 18 teams, reinforce the big clubs in the M62 beltway but expand elsewhere. League 1 needs to merge with the Championship and will serve as a semi-professional/minor league feeder system for the Super League. It needs to become licensed and go to a conference system to maximize the number of teams and also look at deriving more money from Television deals.

Conferences could be:

Northwest England:

St Helens
Widnes
Warrington
Wigan
Leigh
Salford

Yorkshire:

Leeds
Castleford
Wakefield
Huddersfield
Hull KR
Hull FC

Metropolitan:

Toronto
New York
Montreal
Catalans
Toulouse
London


Teams play Home/Away against their conference (10 games) and play either home or away (12 games) against each team in the other conferences. Games could be organized as tours of geographic areas (Toronto, New York and Montreal could be grouped in to the same tour of games). 22 game regular season, playoffs would be top 2 in each conference plus two wildcards spots for next best records. Quarter-finals, Semi's and Grand Final. 25 games total. With room left over to run the Challenge Cup.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby 4N » Mon, 16 Oct 2017, 15:51

Speaking of Barcelona, I'm sure Catalans would start to take more matches there if bigger markets like NYC and Montreal were to end up in their league.

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