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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby iul » Mon, 20 Mar 2017, 07:04

ruckovercdn wrote:Compared the the thrilling matches we were treated to this weekend? What sports fan wouldn't want to watch the last ten minutes of Wales France, especially after the 80 minute single try affair? Now I'm a union guy through and through, but the reality is that League is much much easier to appreciate and they've tweaked the game to deliver what people want to see, which is open play.

How are Americand and Canadian football so big if people crave for something to be constantly moving around on the pitch?

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby ruckovercdn » Mon, 20 Mar 2017, 12:29

Because their sensationalized sport, and every time they touch the ball it's set up as a big open field play.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby grande » Mon, 20 Mar 2017, 13:51

I've been watching more League (due to the Wolfpack) and while I overall enjoy it, their "scrums" always take me out of the game. They just look so dumb.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby jonny24 » Mon, 20 Mar 2017, 14:30

I've been trying to watch it... I still find it a bit too scripted. I really like teams being able to mount pressure with multiple phases, looking for that opening, and the huge extended defensive stands that can happen (see Scotland vs Italy). If they got rid of the tackle limit league would be better.

As a forward I also really like watching scrums, lineouts, and breakdown work. Yes, the open running nice, but it's better when it's earned off of good forward work, instead of being the only thing.
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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Used2BwithIt » Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 05:27

grande wrote:I've been watching more League (due to the Wolfpack) and while I overall enjoy it, their "scrums" always take me out of the game. They just look so dumb.


There seem to be plenty in league who want scrums gone. I heard one commentator snap and basically call them pointless, saying they should just re-start with a tap kick (must have been in the 9s series, which has no scrums, just a tap kick after a knock-on).

I also find the blind hit-ups in the early phases boring. I don't understand why they don't toss the ball around a bit and run those clever lines on all phases? North Queensland play a bit more open and unpredictable, but it sounds (from friends in Australia who know the game) like three big crashes early on and sticking to a hard rule of right and left sided players is the done thing.


I hear there's going to be a Canadian women's team at the RL world cup this fall!?!?!

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 08:04

Rugby League has more or less become nothing but one out running from the play the ball, ever since the advent of the 10m offside line the game has gradually moved away from creative backline plays due to the shear amount of space available, it's easy to travel 40-50 metres in 5 tackles just by running out from the play the ball. I've said this before but Rugby League has the illusion of something interesting happening because there's constant movement, but more often than not it's the same thing every set of 6 tackles - run the ball out for 3 or 4 tackles, kick a bomb on the 5th.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 08:37

thatrugbyguy wrote:Rugby League has more or less become nothing but one out running from the play the ball, ever since the advent of the 10m offside line the game has gradually moved away from creative backline plays due to the shear amount of space available, it's easy to travel 40-50 metres in 5 tackles just by running out from the play the ball. I've said this before but Rugby League has the illusion of something interesting happening because there's constant movement, but more often than not it's the same thing every set of 6 tackles - run the ball out for 3 or 4 tackles, kick a bomb on the 5th.


This. Outside of the respective 20m marks practically nothing happens in League. I tend to think if League decided to do away with 50% of their field and have just have two 20m zones plus a 10m transition zone that it would be massively improved. But that's not likely. Hell, the one out runs have even made there way into the 9s format.

If Rugby decided to take its 10s format. Run it over 4 x 20 minute quarters it would defecate on League from a high.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby ruckovercdn » Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 12:38

I really didn't mean to turn this into a code debate; it was more a statement of League gaining ground and being an easier game to grasp, and in some ways more appealing to watch, for a casual viewer than Union.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby ihateblazers » Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 13:08

Working Class Rugger wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:Rugby League has more or less become nothing but one out running from the play the ball, ever since the advent of the 10m offside line the game has gradually moved away from creative backline plays due to the shear amount of space available, it's easy to travel 40-50 metres in 5 tackles just by running out from the play the ball. I've said this before but Rugby League has the illusion of something interesting happening because there's constant movement, but more often than not it's the same thing every set of 6 tackles - run the ball out for 3 or 4 tackles, kick a bomb on the 5th.


This. Outside of the respective 20m marks practically nothing happens in League. I tend to think if League decided to do away with 50% of their field and have just have two 20m zones plus a 10m transition zone that it would be massively improved. But that's not likely. Hell, the one out runs have even made there way into the 9s format.

If Rugby decided to take its 10s format. Run it over 4 x 20 minute quarters it would defecate on League from a high.


You might be onto something with that 10s idea. Bringing in rolling subs could help transition to a longer format as you suggested. I'm surprised how long it's taken for t1 and the world outside of Asia to take notice of it, 10s is a fantastic game, i much prefer it to 7s. A good stepping stone for developing nations as well.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Used2BwithIt » Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 19:51

ihateblazers wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:Rugby League has more or less become nothing but one out running from the play the ball, ever since the advent of the 10m offside line the game has gradually moved away from creative backline plays due to the shear amount of space available, it's easy to travel 40-50 metres in 5 tackles just by running out from the play the ball. I've said this before but Rugby League has the illusion of something interesting happening because there's constant movement, but more often than not it's the same thing every set of 6 tackles - run the ball out for 3 or 4 tackles, kick a bomb on the 5th.


This. Outside of the respective 20m marks practically nothing happens in League. I tend to think if League decided to do away with 50% of their field and have just have two 20m zones plus a 10m transition zone that it would be massively improved. But that's not likely. Hell, the one out runs have even made there way into the 9s format.

If Rugby decided to take its 10s format. Run it over 4 x 20 minute quarters it would defecate on League from a high.


You might be onto something with that 10s idea. Bringing in rolling subs could help transition to a longer format as you suggested. I'm surprised how long it's taken for t1 and the world outside of Asia to take notice of it, 10s is a fantastic game, i much prefer it to 7s. A good stepping stone for developing nations as well.


I've been saying for a while now that the IRB missed the boat choosing 7s over 10s. I worry that schools that can only run 7s (oddly, given the location, girls in Victoria) will not provide any tight five players for future XVs sides. 10s, as shown in the Brisbane series, still has a spot for the big player. Apart from the odd freak, and the Fijians of course, 7s at the top level is becoming a game for a certain body type that doesn't even include the hulking no 8 type (lots of weight to carry around, not as agile) nor the skinny little speedster (who gets monstered in 1v1s).

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Coloradoan » Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 22:38

Used2BwithIt wrote:
ihateblazers wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:Rugby League has more or less become nothing but one out running from the play the ball, ever since the advent of the 10m offside line the game has gradually moved away from creative backline plays due to the shear amount of space available, it's easy to travel 40-50 metres in 5 tackles just by running out from the play the ball. I've said this before but Rugby League has the illusion of something interesting happening because there's constant movement, but more often than not it's the same thing every set of 6 tackles - run the ball out for 3 or 4 tackles, kick a bomb on the 5th.


This. Outside of the respective 20m marks practically nothing happens in League. I tend to think if League decided to do away with 50% of their field and have just have two 20m zones plus a 10m transition zone that it would be massively improved. But that's not likely. Hell, the one out runs have even made there way into the 9s format.

If Rugby decided to take its 10s format. Run it over 4 x 20 minute quarters it would defecate on League from a high.


You might be onto something with that 10s idea. Bringing in rolling subs could help transition to a longer format as you suggested. I'm surprised how long it's taken for t1 and the world outside of Asia to take notice of it, 10s is a fantastic game, i much prefer it to 7s. A good stepping stone for developing nations as well.


I've been saying for a while now that the IRB missed the boat choosing 7s over 10s. I worry that schools that can only run 7s (oddly, given the location, girls in Victoria) will not provide any tight five players for future XVs sides. 10s, as shown in the Brisbane series, still has a spot for the big player. Apart from the odd freak, and the Fijians of course, 7s at the top level is becoming a game for a certain body type that doesn't even include the hulking no 8 type (lots of weight to carry around, not as agile) nor the skinny little speedster (who gets monstered in 1v1s).


There's plenty of room for those types in 7s at the top level. It's gonna depend on the style of the team, but look at the US team. Top 4 finishes in the last two events and their preferred starting lineup includes two hulking number 8 types in Danny Barrett and Andrew Durutalo and a skinny speedster in Perry Baker. England roll out de Carpentier and Rodwell together, who would fit that mold as well. South Africa is full of skinny speedsters. Cecil Afrika is, what, 160 pounds soaking wet? And of course the Fijians are full of big guys.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby ruckovercdn » Tue, 28 Mar 2017, 05:25

Cam Pierce announced his retirement via instagram today.

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