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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby marvinparsons » Mon, 05 Jun 2017, 02:08

Agree on all fronts, though Duru has the most natural physical ability of our props by a wide margin anf is young, so can't give up on him, even if he is a bit lazy and pkays too high.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby snapper37 » Mon, 05 Jun 2017, 03:32

marvinparsons wrote:Agree on all fronts, though Duru has the most natural physical ability of our props by a wide margin anf is young, so can't give up on him, even if he is a bit lazy and pkays too high.



I Disagree. at his age he isn't changing. I would leave him out and see if it sparks anything.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Neptune » Mon, 05 Jun 2017, 06:41

snapper37 wrote:
marvinparsons wrote:Agree on all fronts, though Duru has the most natural physical ability of our props by a wide margin anf is young, so can't give up on him, even if he is a bit lazy and pkays too high.



I Disagree. at his age he isn't changing. I would leave him out and see if it sparks anything.


Does the Canadian - Nigerian Nanyak Dala still play for the Canada XVs?

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby grande » Mon, 05 Jun 2017, 14:18

marvinparsons wrote:Agree on all fronts, though Duru has the most natural physical ability of our props by a wide margin anf is young, so can't give up on him, even if he is a bit lazy and pkays too high.


I'm hoping this is Duru's "last chance" kinda... I was so optimistic for him when he first started playing for us, but it seems like he's been getting worse and worse...

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby rusty_lock » Mon, 05 Jun 2017, 15:01

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marvinparsons wrote:It'll be interesting to see how this lineup shapes up. I'd also note that there's no Matt Evans listed, who I rate as a key player.

Sinclair is unfortunately just what this team needs in terms of position, attitude and physicality. It's a shame that he can't go, it'd be nice to see, just once, Canada's absolute best side. He leaves a gaping hole at 6.

The good news is that the backs look wonderful. Shouldn't be any problems there and I like that Duke/Mack are providing useful depth to the side rather than a guy like Moor that doesn't add much.

On to the downside: the pack. They have some workmanlike players: Beukeboom, Baillie, Olmstead, Barkwill etc., but the only two players that run with any kind of impact are Cejvanovic and Ardron, who unsurprisingly play the same position most the time. The next best runner I'd almost peg as Carpenter, who is also an 8.

The team desperately needs some go forward and it likely isn't coming from 1-6, aside from Duru's occasional rumble.

I'd love to see a backrow of Ardron, Cejvanovic and Carpenter, if this is at all feasible. Can sub out Carpenter with Baillie, Heaton or Rumble.

The props are virtually interchangable and I don't mean that in a good way.

Canada needs some big slabs of meat in the worst way, shame we can't find them.




Carpenter should be playing Hooker, regardless of where his club plays him.

Dejustice is lazy and wouldn't be in my team

Barkwell is a midget and past his prime.

Ardron is very usefull and if we play him at 8 then Cejvanovic and him can be on the field together


Who is being left off that should be replacing Duru

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Buffalo » Mon, 05 Jun 2017, 16:37

Neptune wrote:
snapper37 wrote:
marvinparsons wrote:Agree on all fronts, though Duru has the most natural physical ability of our props by a wide margin anf is young, so can't give up on him, even if he is a bit lazy and pkays too high.


I Disagree. at his age he isn't changing. I would leave him out and see if it sparks anything.


Does the Canadian - Nigerian Nanyak Dala still play for the Canada XVs?


DSD: If there were any other known Loosehead options available presently then old man Buydens wouldn't have been brought right back into the fold after sitting out a year with a knee injury. DSD has his faults but he's clearly better than almost every other prop in Canada when he chooses to be. He also just turned 23 which is still incredibly young for a front row and far too early to give up on a player.

Nanyak Dala: He was playing for Castaway Wanderers at one point during the BC season. He used to be an awesome player but those days are long over and he's pretty much out of the national team picture, or at least should be. I'd rather see a guy like Heaton or Cejvanovic get those minutes instead.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby grande » Mon, 05 Jun 2017, 23:32

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/rugby/canada-r ... -1.4146813

Captains for this June will be DTH & Beukes.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby snapper37 » Tue, 06 Jun 2017, 15:41

Buffalo wrote:
Neptune wrote:
snapper37 wrote:
marvinparsons wrote:Agree on all fronts, though Duru has the most natural physical ability of our props by a wide margin anf is young, so can't give up on him, even if he is a bit lazy and pkays too high.


I Disagree. at his age he isn't changing. I would leave him out and see if it sparks anything.


Does the Canadian - Nigerian Nanyak Dala still play for the Canada XVs?


DSD: If there were any other known Loosehead options available presently then old man Buydens wouldn't have been brought right back into the fold after sitting out a year with a knee injury. DSD has his faults but he's clearly better than almost every other prop in Canada when he chooses to be. He also just turned 23 which is still incredibly young for a front row and far too early to give up on a player.

Nanyak Dala: He was playing for Castaway Wanderers at one point during the BC season. He used to be an awesome player but those days are long over and he's pretty much out of the national team picture, or at least should be. I'd rather see a guy like Heaton or Cejvanovic get those minutes instead.




Cole Keith.....

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Buffalo » Tue, 06 Jun 2017, 19:34

I would gladly take Cole Keith over Buydens any day of the week right now. He and Tierney should be a great pairing for the next decade and I'd be surprised if they weren't both pro starters in the next few years. But "unfortunately" he's currently busy preparing to help lead our U20s against the Yanks next week.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby grande » Thu, 08 Jun 2017, 12:37

Apparently tonight's women's test (Canada vs New Zealand) will be shown live on TSN at 1am EST/10pm PST.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby marvinparsons » Thu, 08 Jun 2017, 18:26

Buffalo wrote:I would gladly take Cole Keith over Buydens any day of the week right now. He and Tierney should be a great pairing for the next decade and I'd be surprised if they weren't both pro starters in the next few years. But "unfortunately" he's currently busy preparing to help lead our U20s against the Yanks next week.


Cole Keith is 19, has no real caps and you'd feel comfortable trotting him out there against a Georgian pack? Because he fronted up once against some nobody in the CRC or BC club play? That's utter nonsense.

The fact of the matter is that our front row is all around terrible, which is why most of them still play in Canada. They aren't good enough to play second tier European rugby. Tierney is servicable currently, at best, in international rugby, though he is young and seems to habe room for improvement.

Duru only differs in ineptitude from our other props in that his problems are clearly a mental origin, whereas the others are limited physically. This is obviously more frustrating to watch, but he's still better as a mental midget than the alternatives. Hubert Buydens is still on the team for God's sake. A competent player, but he adds nothing to an international side other than the scrum not being completely annihilated rather just thoroughly dominated. In the loose its the same thing. He can't catch, pass or dominate contact at international rugby.

Same as Barkwill, smart enough player, probably a great guy, but it is not good for Canada that he is on the team.

Duru, for all his faults, has the physical makeup of an international prop and in Canada currently that alone should ensure him a spot on the side until someone else comes along that has the physical ability and mental aspect.

The fact that we are seriously debating the merits of fielding two props beloe 21 that ply their trade far from an intenational standard is a damning indictment of the state of rugby here in Canada.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby snapper37 » Thu, 08 Jun 2017, 21:31

Canada Team to Face Georgia (Name, club, hometown):

1. Djustice Sears-Duru – (Oakville Crusaders/Ontario Blues) Oakville, ON

2. Benoit Piffero – (Blagnac Sporting Club/Atlantic Rock) Montreal, QC

3. Jake Ilnicki – (Northampton/BC Bears) Williams Lake, BC

4. Brett Beukeboom, captain – (Cornish Pirates/Ontario Blues) Lindsay, ON

5. Conor Keys – (UVIC Vikes/Atlantic Rock) Stittsville, ON

6. Kyle Baillie – (London Scottish/Atlantic Rock) Summerside, PEI

7. Matt Heaton – (Darlington Mowden Park/Atlantic Rock) Godmanchester, QC

8. Admir Cejvanovic – (Burnaby Lake RFC/BC Bears) Burnaby, BC

9. Phil Mack – (James Bay AA/BC Bears) Victoria, BC

10. Shane O’Leary – (Unattached) Cork, Ireland

11. Sean Duke – (UBC Thunderbirds/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC

12. Guiseppe Du Toit – (UVIC Vikes/BC Bears) Maple Ridge, BC

13. Conor Trainor – (USON Nevers/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC

14. Dan Moor – (Balmy Beach RFC/Ontario Blues) Toronto, ON

15. Andrew Coe – (UBC Thunderbirds/Ontario Blues) Toronto, ON

16. Eric Howard – (Brantford Harlequins/Ontario Blues) Ottawa, ON

17. Anthony Luca – (Burnaby Lake RFC/BC Bears) Burnaby, BC

18. Matt Tierney – (Section Paloise/Ontario Blues) Oakville, ON

19. Liam Chisholm – (UVIC Vikes/BC Bears) Kenora, ON

20. Aaron Carpenter – (Doncaster Knights/Ontario Blues) Brantford, ON

21. Andrew Ferguson – (Oakville Crusaders/Ontario Blues) Mississauga, ON

22. Gradyn Bowd – (UVIC Vikes/Prairie Wolf Pack) Red Deer, AB

23. Ciaran Hearn – (London Irish/Atlantic Rock) Conception Bay South, NL


Djustice Sears-Duru will be gased within 30 mins.

#10 will be interesting to watch

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby snapper37 » Thu, 08 Jun 2017, 21:33

This is the game i am going to make sure i watch, the Georgia I think is already decided.


Canada’s Roster vs. New Zealand (Name, club, hometown):

1. Carolyn McEwen (Burnaby Lake Rugby Club), Vancouver, BC

2. Laura Russell, Toronto Nomads/Cowichan RFC (Bolton, ON)

3. DaLeaka Menin (Hornets) Vulcan, AB

4. Tyson Beukeboom, Aurora Barbarians/Cowichan RFC (Uxbridge, ON)

5. Kayla Mack, Saskatoon Wild Oats (Saskatoon, SK)

6. Jacey Grusnick, Barrhaven Scottish (Alliston, ON)

7. Karen Paquin, Club de Rugby de Quebec/Castaway Wanderers (Quebec City, QC)

8. Kelly Russell, captain Toronto Nomads/Cowichan RFC (Bolton, ON)

9. Chelsea Guthrie (Stratchona Druids) Edmonton, AB

10. Emily Belchos, Westshore RFC (Innisfil, ON)

11. Elissa Alarie, Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue RFC/Westshore RFC (Trois Rivieres, QC)

12. Amanda Thornborough, Westshore RFC (Brandon, MB)

13. Brittany Waters, Meraloma Athletic Club/Castaway Wanderers (Vancouver, BC)

14. Magali Harvey, Town of Mont-Royal RFC (Quebec City, QC)

15. Julianne Zussman (Castaway Wanderers) Montreal, QC

16. Jane Kirby (Highland RFC) Brampton, ON

17. Brittany Kassil, Guelph Redcoats (Guelph, ON)

18. Olivia DeMerchant, Woodstock Wildmen/Castaway Wanderers (Mapledale, NB)

19. Cindy Nelles, Belleville Bulldogs (Belleville, ON)

20. Barbara Mervin, Westshore RFC (Peterborough, ON)

21. Lori Josephson, Aurora Barbarians (Beaverton, ON)

22. Alex Tessier, Montreal Barbarians (Sainte-Clotilde-de-Horton, QC)

23. Frederique Rajotte, Sainte-Anne-de-Bellevue RFC (Montreal, QC

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby rusty_lock » Fri, 09 Jun 2017, 00:28

snapper37 wrote:Canada Team to Face Georgia (Name, club, hometown):

1. Djustice Sears-Duru – (Oakville Crusaders/Ontario Blues) Oakville, ON

2. Benoit Piffero – (Blagnac Sporting Club/Atlantic Rock) Montreal, QC

3. Jake Ilnicki – (Northampton/BC Bears) Williams Lake, BC

4. Brett Beukeboom, captain – (Cornish Pirates/Ontario Blues) Lindsay, ON

5. Conor Keys – (UVIC Vikes/Atlantic Rock) Stittsville, ON

6. Kyle Baillie – (London Scottish/Atlantic Rock) Summerside, PEI

7. Matt Heaton – (Darlington Mowden Park/Atlantic Rock) Godmanchester, QC

8. Admir Cejvanovic – (Burnaby Lake RFC/BC Bears) Burnaby, BC

9. Phil Mack – (James Bay AA/BC Bears) Victoria, BC

10. Shane O’Leary – (Unattached) Cork, Ireland

11. Sean Duke – (UBC Thunderbirds/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC

12. Guiseppe Du Toit – (UVIC Vikes/BC Bears) Maple Ridge, BC

13. Conor Trainor – (USON Nevers/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC

14. Dan Moor – (Balmy Beach RFC/Ontario Blues) Toronto, ON

15. Andrew Coe – (UBC Thunderbirds/Ontario Blues) Toronto, ON

16. Eric Howard – (Brantford Harlequins/Ontario Blues) Ottawa, ON

17. Anthony Luca – (Burnaby Lake RFC/BC Bears) Burnaby, BC

18. Matt Tierney – (Section Paloise/Ontario Blues) Oakville, ON

19. Liam Chisholm – (UVIC Vikes/BC Bears) Kenora, ON

20. Aaron Carpenter – (Doncaster Knights/Ontario Blues) Brantford, ON

21. Andrew Ferguson – (Oakville Crusaders/Ontario Blues) Mississauga, ON

22. Gradyn Bowd – (UVIC Vikes/Prairie Wolf Pack) Red Deer, AB

23. Ciaran Hearn – (London Irish/Atlantic Rock) Conception Bay South, NL


Djustice Sears-Duru will be gased within 30 mins.

#10 will be interesting to watch


Wow! Shocking selection. This is essentially a development squad. From the 32 picked selected for the series I don't think he could picked a weaker team.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby grande » Fri, 09 Jun 2017, 02:07

I guess on the plus side, we won't lose any ranking points when we inevitably lose?

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby snapper37 » Fri, 09 Jun 2017, 16:28

On a positive side the Canadian women looked good last night. If they can be a little more patient, and find a flyhallf that can kick to touch, we can beat them at the world cup

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby grande » Sun, 11 Jun 2017, 01:37

Something I learned today: Irish international Luke McGrath (who got his, from what I can tell, 3rd cap tonight vs USA) was born in Hamilton.

Reverse Shane O'Leary? Anyone know when/why he moved to Ireland?

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby kearnc25 » Sun, 11 Jun 2017, 04:15

grande wrote:Something I learned today: Irish international Luke McGrath (who got his, from what I can tell, 3rd cap tonight vs USA) was born in Hamilton.

Reverse Shane O'Leary? Anyone know when/why he moved to Ireland?


His parents are Irish but where working in Canada at the time of his birth before moving back to Ireland when he was very young. A lot of Irish people go abroad for a few years before coming home to start a family, leading to one or more of their children being born in foreign countries (myself included). Other rugby examples of this are Ronan O' Gara, Jamie Heaslip, Jordi Murphy and Ultan Dillane I think they'd all consider themselves just Irish as opposed to feeling affinity to their birth nation. Not really the same as Shane O' Leary.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby ruckovercdn » Sun, 11 Jun 2017, 15:45

I didn't watch the Georgia game, any thoughts on what went wrong for us?

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby rusty_lock » Sun, 11 Jun 2017, 16:15

ruckovercdn wrote:I didn't watch the Georgia game, any thoughts on what went wrong for us?


We picked the worst side possible with the express intention of losing.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Neptune » Mon, 12 Jun 2017, 05:51

rusty_lock wrote:
ruckovercdn wrote:I didn't watch the Georgia game, any thoughts on what went wrong for us?


We picked the worst side possible with the express intention of losing.


what was the final score?

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby dwpeate » Mon, 12 Jun 2017, 09:16

Canada 0 - 13 Georgia

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby grande » Fri, 16 Jun 2017, 00:27

Lineup for Saturday. Much better squad.

1. Anthony Luca – (Burnaby Lake RFC/BC Bears) Burnaby, BC

2. Ray Barkwill – (Castaway Wanderers/Ontario Blues) Niagara Falls, ON

3. Matt Tierney – (Section Paloise/Ontario Blues) Oakville, ON

4. Brett Beukeboom, co-captain – (Cornish Pirates/Ontario Blues) Lindsay, ON

5. Evan Olmstead – (Newcastle Falcons/Prairie Wolf Pack) Vancouver, BC

6. Tyler Ardron – (Chiefs/Ontario Blues) Lakefield, ON

7. Matt Heaton – (Darlington Mowden Park/Atlantic Rock) Godmanchester, QC

8. Aaron Carpenter – (Doncaster Knights/Ontario Blues) Brantford, ON

9. Gordon McRorie – (UBC Old Boys Ravens/Prairie Wolf Pack) Calgary, AB

10. Connor Braid – (James Bay AA/BC Bears) Victoria, BC

11. Sean Duke – (UBC Thunderbirds/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC

12. Nick Blevins – (Calgary Hornets/Prairie Wolf Pack) Calgary, AB

13. Conor Trainor – (USON Nevers/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC

14. DTH van Der Merwe, co-captain – (Newcastle Falcons) Victoria, BC

15. Ciaran Hearn – (London Irish/Atlantic Rock) Conception Bay South, NL

16. Benoit Piffero – (Blagnac Sporting Club/Atlantic Rock) Montreal, QC

17. Djustice Sears-Duru – (Oakville Crusaders/Ontario Blues) Oakville, ON

18. Ryan Ackerman – (Burnaby Lake RFC/BC Bears) Saskatoon, SK

19. Conor Keys – (UVIC Vikes/Atlantic Rock) Stittsville, ON

20. Kyle Baillie – (London Scottish/Atlantic Rock) Summerside, PEI

21. Phil Mack – (James Bay AA/BC Bears) Victoria, BC

22. Shane O’Leary – (Unattached) Cork, Ireland

23. Andrew Coe – (UBC Thunderbirds/Ontario Blues) Toronto, ON

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby rusty_lock » Fri, 16 Jun 2017, 00:43

Definitely a better lineup. I'm surprised that O'Leary doesn't get a second crack at starting flyhalf. He really had no opportunity to do anything other than kick last week. Hopefully he is on at halftime and Braid is moved over to inside centre. He is definitely the best hope for the us at that position going forward.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Bogdan_DC » Fri, 16 Jun 2017, 05:53

Few weeks earlier Howells said that he had a chat with Anscombe and Canada will have a full strength team against Romania in June. So maybe this was Anscombe plan from the beginning, to give some game time to everybody and against Romania to be close to the team who will start against USA. OR he is just scared againt REC winners, Antim & Parshons Cup holders and next World Cup winners Romania :)!

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