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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Neptune » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 00:43

Tobar wrote:Wouldn’t it help grow rugby overall? Just look at what the ARC did for Brazil, Chile and Uruguay.


I understand, but the addition of teams should be done gradually, not just like a knee jerk reaction. Another thing is that if teams are to come to the Gold cup, they should come on merit, but not loosing then getting a direct ticket. It's like having a repechege, then at the end of the tournament, WR says all four teams qualify directly. So, you start asking yourself, what was the need for a repechege if everyone qualifies?

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby 4N » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 01:05

Tobar wrote:Wouldn’t it help grow rugby overall? Just look at what the ARC did for Brazil, Chile and Uruguay.


Like the Americas and most regions, they don’t have the depth for 8 teams in the top tier. With respect to Zambia they aren’t on the same level. It would be like splitting the ARC into north and south and adding Colombia and Mexico to play vs USA and Canada.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Sables4EVA » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 06:15

The more I think of it the more I hate it. Rather keep the top 6 and make it hoe and away then dilute the competition as Neptune says. To me this is Rugby Afrique protecting their North African teams again as Morocco would be out and Algeria would have been outclassed by the top 4 or 5 teams in the Gold Cup. What does this do to the Silver and Bronze Cups too, now they are so diluted as to be almost irrelevant.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Canalina » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 06:32

Anyway now I doubt there will be two pools, or at least two geographical pools. There are three teams from Maghreb, two from middle-south (Kenya and Uganda), three from the south (Zambia, Namibia, Zimbabwe). To have two geographical pools you should separate Kenya and Uganda and this is a bit senseless, considering also their traditional Elgon Cup

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby rey200 » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 07:23

it was about the general idea, Canalina, not your group idea.

I don't like it, I rather really hate it. 4N gave the perfect example. I mean Zambia was routed at home by Algeria. Why should they play Namibia then? A proper relegation/promotion system is the way to go. It's one thing to change things to improve something, but it's something totally different when you make changes just to change something. The depth isn't there, why not making Silver Cup a proper tournament with 6 teams playing 5 rounds? Surely that's better than getting some century scores by Namibia on 3-4 teams.
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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby JLJordaan » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 09:28

Yeah I also think this is not a smart move by Rugby Africa. I agree with rey200, rather improve the quality of the Silver Cup before expanding, as Zambia will most probably just be relegated after one season. Not to sound arrogant or anything, but after seeing what happened this year in the GC I suspect Nam & Kenya will easily get 70+ points over the two new teams.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Canalina » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 10:05

Maybe, just maybe, it could have been a request by the national federations. I've read that Namibia called off the upcoming test with Kenya; maybe they're not in a prosperous economical situation and, with the World Cup in the same year, they don't want to play a too long/too onerous 2019 Africa Cup. So (it's always just an hypothesis) they asked for a pool which permits them to avoid the flights in North Africa

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Canalina » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 10:18

I've seen now some photos of Zambia vs Algeria. I hoped in a bigger crowd. A post in the days before the match said that in Lusaka no one cares about rugby but that in the Copperbelt (the Mufulira region) they are rugby mad

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 10:51

Game sheet for the match is at http://www.rugbyafrique.com/wp-content/ ... lgeria.pdf

Confirmed as 0 - 31, but no attendance figure given.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby dwpeate » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 11:20

If the above is true about next year's gold cup, World Rugby have not been informed.

https://www.world.rugby/news/374196

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby dwpeate » Mon, 22 Oct 2018, 11:41

In fact, Rugby Africa only mention Algeria going up on Facebook

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Sables4EVA » Sun, 28 Oct 2018, 10:31

So the format for next years Rugby Afrique competitions are out. Looks like my worst fears are realised.

The Gold and Silver cups are split into 2 groups of 4 with one round of matches played before the top teams in each pool play in a final so games played is reduced to 3 or 4 games a year.

U20 competition is split into 3 pools of 4 (12 teams in total) with promotion and relegation between the pools.

Gold Cup
Pool A Namibia Tunisia Zimbabwe Zambia (6th, 10th and 14th July)
Pool B Kenya Uganda Morocco Algeria (13th, 17th and 21st July)

Final 16th November

Silver Cup
Pool A Madagascar Botswana Ghana Nigeria (?)
Pool B Ivory Coast Senegal Mauritius Rwanda (?)

Trophee Barthes
Pool A Namibia Tunisia Kenya Senegal (27th and 30th March)
Pool B Zimbabwe Ivory Coast Morocco Madagascar (3rd and 6th of April)
Pool C Uganda Algeria Zambia Ghana (10th and 13th of April)

What a complete and total waste of everyone's time and effort.

Not sure how reliable this is but I am waiting for confirmation from the ZRU which I will pass on as soon as I know.

https://www.facebook.com/SEM-SPORT-1079071012251247/

EDIT: This format is confirmed as received from Rugby Afrique.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Neptune » Wed, 31 Oct 2018, 21:12

Sables4EVA wrote:So the format for next years Rugby Afrique competitions are out. Looks like my worst fears are realised.

The Gold and Silver cups are split into 2 groups of 4 with one round of matches played before the top teams in each pool play in a final so games played is reduced to 3 or 4 games a year.

U20 competition is split into 3 pools of 4 (12 teams in total) with promotion and relegation between the pools.

Gold Cup
Pool A Namibia Tunisia Zimbabwe Zambia (6th, 10th and 14th July)
Pool B Kenya Uganda Morocco Algeria (13th, 17th and 21st July)

Final 16th November

Silver Cup
Pool A Madagascar Botswana Ghana Nigeria (?)
Pool B Ivory Coast Senegal Mauritius Rwanda (?)

Trophee Barthes
Pool A Namibia Tunisia Kenya Senegal (27th and 30th March)
Pool B Zimbabwe Ivory Coast Morocco Madagascar (3rd and 6th of April)
Pool C Uganda Algeria Zambia Ghana (10th and 13th of April)

What a complete and total waste of everyone's time and effort.

Not sure how reliable this is but I am waiting for confirmation from the ZRU which I will pass on as soon as I know.

https://www.facebook.com/SEM-SPORT-1079071012251247/

EDIT: This format is confirmed as received from Rugby Afrique.


I do not understand how we have been placed with Namibia together in one pool, yet we both reached the final. It's as if no seeding was done. Very biased pooling by rugby afrique.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Sables4EVA » Thu, 01 Nov 2018, 08:00

As usual it is the Francophone and specifically the Northern African teams who benefit from any decision made by RugbyAfrique.

Neptune, those Pools are for the U20 Barthes Trophy, Pool A is the top group and the loser is demoted to Pool B where Zimbabwe is despite being 3rd in this years competition and smashing Madagascar by over 100 points.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Canalina » Thu, 01 Nov 2018, 08:12

Neptune wrote:
Sables4EVA wrote:So the format for next years Rugby Afrique competitions are out. Looks like my worst fears are realised.

The Gold and Silver cups are split into 2 groups of 4 with one round of matches played before the top teams in each pool play in a final so games played is reduced to 3 or 4 games a year.

U20 competition is split into 3 pools of 4 (12 teams in total) with promotion and relegation between the pools.

Gold Cup
Pool A Namibia Tunisia Zimbabwe Zambia (6th, 10th and 14th July)
Pool B Kenya Uganda Morocco Algeria (13th, 17th and 21st July)

Final 16th November

Silver Cup
Pool A Madagascar Botswana Ghana Nigeria (?)
Pool B Ivory Coast Senegal Mauritius Rwanda (?)

Trophee Barthes
Pool A Namibia Tunisia Kenya Senegal (27th and 30th March)
Pool B Zimbabwe Ivory Coast Morocco Madagascar (3rd and 6th of April)
Pool C Uganda Algeria Zambia Ghana (10th and 13th of April)

What a complete and total waste of everyone's time and effort.

Not sure how reliable this is but I am waiting for confirmation from the ZRU which I will pass on as soon as I know.

https://www.facebook.com/SEM-SPORT-1079071012251247/

EDIT: This format is confirmed as received from Rugby Afrique.


I do not understand how we have been placed with Namibia together in one pool, yet we both reached the final. It's as if no seeding was done. Very biased pooling by rugby afrique.

Kenya and Namibia are in the same pool in U20 Barthes Trophy, not in the senior Cup. Africa Rugby followed a seeding system both in the senior (1-4-5-8/2-3-6-7) and in the U20 (1-2-3-4/5-6-7-8/9-10-11-12) tournaments

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Neptune » Sun, 04 Nov 2018, 16:57

The Kenya Simbas boys are currently getting lessons in xvs rugby in Romania and Marseille. The exposure they get will help them conquer once they come back to the African continent. Our good African brothers Namibia should start getting very afraid. :lol:

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby dwpeate » Sun, 02 Dec 2018, 10:19

I messaged the Algerian Federation with a little help from Google translate, the North African tri-nations seems to have been postphoned

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Canalina » Fri, 14 Dec 2018, 11:43

Zambia's 2019 aims https://www.africa-newsroom.com/press/z ... 18?lang=en

The first point could suggest a possible debut by Mozambique, even if it's not clear if it is 7s or XV

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Canalina » Fri, 14 Dec 2018, 19:34

The African Games 2019 will be hosted from august 23 to september 3 by Morocco.
Rugby is not part of the program but someone (Rugby Africa, probably) asked it was inserted also because they want to use these African Games to be qualifying to the Olympic Games 2020
https://fr.allafrica.com/stories/201812140742.html

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Tobar » Sun, 23 Dec 2018, 02:19

Surprised I haven’t seen this posted yet. Austin Elite in MLR add 22 year old Moroccan international Soheyl Japudat from the Clermont academy.

http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2018/1 ... l-jaoudat/

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sun, 23 Dec 2018, 03:12

Tobar wrote:Surprised I haven’t seen this posted yet. Austin Elite in MLR add 22 year old Moroccan international Soheyl Japudat from the Clermont academy.

http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2018/1 ... l-jaoudat/


Wasn't it posted on the reddit sub?

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Tobar » Sun, 23 Dec 2018, 19:29

Yes but no one goes there. I see Naburu is trying to resurrect it, probably a good idea to at least post some things when they come up. Maybe even crosspist things to/from other subs.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Canalina » Fri, 04 Jan 2019, 19:03

I don't know if this was already known on the forum but there are the exact (purposed) dates for the Gold Cup

Proposed dates and matches:

Pool A Matches:

6th July
Match 1- Namibia vs Tunisia
Match 2 – Zimbabwe vs Zambia

10th July
Match 3 – Namibia vs Zambia
Match 4 – Tunisia vs Zimbabwe

14th July
Match 5 – Namibia vs Zimbabwe
Match 6 – Tunisia vs Zambia

Pool B Matches

13th July
Match 1 – Kenya vs Uganda
Match 2 – Algeria vs Morocco

17th July
Match 3 – Kenya vs Morocco
Match 4 – Algeria vs Uganda

21st July
Match 5 – Kenya vs Algeria
Match 6 – Uganda vs Morocco

https://www.nation.co.ke/sports/rugby/n ... index.html

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 15 Jan 2019, 02:52

I just found a source about rugby in Djibouti: http://webetab.ac-bordeaux.fr/lycee-fra ... p?id=24646
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 16 Jan 2019, 13:49

And rugby photos from Guiné Bissau, another country we thought had no rugby: https://www.facebook.com/pages/category ... 816669277/
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

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