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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Edgar » Mon, 17 Jun 2019, 19:55

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There's my article on the weekend's action. Fired it off straight after the MLR final but it didn't show up til Monday evening GMT. https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/06/18/g ... ain-crown/

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby mcruic » Mon, 17 Jun 2019, 21:56

Working Class Rugger wrote:
antlat wrote:Excellent news!

Finally a sensible all encompassing continental championship (minus South Africa).

Hopefully the other regional associations follow suit.
The division structure of regional rugby tournaments need to be removed and replaced by multiple round tournaments.

Well done Rugby Africa!


Could be an interesting model for the future of the regional structures if the Nations Championship concept gets up. Would be a good set up for the '3rd' division of the structure.


It's fairly decent, with the glaring exception of the first round - 4 teams will get to play only one match, and won't get another chance for a whole year.

They've also said they're looking into the possibility of further teams (more than 16) being involved in play-offs.
http://theroonba.com Results from 70 team sports

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Edgar » Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 07:19

I don't think it's anything too thrilling, tbh, and suspect the early announcement has been made to offset disappointment over the Gold Cup's cancellation. Surely they should be working on getting the sponsorship back to revive the regions championships.

Meanwhile, here's Ghana Rugby president Herbert Mensah talking about stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkSd2K2 ... 9gz_nadD2s

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Edgar » Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 11:34

Shame. Wokarach is the dangerman, one of the individual stars of the Gold Cup over the past 2 years . . .

Philip Wokarach has been left out of Uganda’s squad that is set to face Kenya on Saturday in the first leg of the Elgon Cup at the Mamboleo Showground in Kisumu.

Story here, including Cranes squad: https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/sports/2019 ... cup-squad/

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Neptune » Wed, 19 Jun 2019, 18:27

Edgar wrote:Shame. Wokarach is the dangerman, one of the individual stars of the Gold Cup over the past 2 years . . .

Philip Wokarach has been left out of Uganda’s squad that is set to face Kenya on Saturday in the first leg of the Elgon Cup at the Mamboleo Showground in Kisumu.

Story here, including Cranes squad: https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/sports/2019 ... cup-squad/


Wokorach says he has been fatigued after the long Kenya Cup season, so he needs to rest. Plus, it looks like he is more inclined to 7s rugby.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Edgar » Wed, 19 Jun 2019, 20:16

Class player! He's in the national 7s team too, isn't he? Surprised he hasn't picked up a pro contract from one of the South African teams yet.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Edgar » Sat, 22 Jun 2019, 15:21

Uganda's Cranes apparently upset Kenya's Simba's 16-13 in the first leg of the Elgon Cup.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Neptune » Sat, 22 Jun 2019, 21:42

South Africa is a xenophobic country towards other Africans. They are not friendly to immigrants. Even if he went there, they would just look for a reason to get rid of him the next day, or threaten his life. Haven't you been watching news of late about South Africa?

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Edgar » Sun, 23 Jun 2019, 07:15

Neptune wrote:South Africa is a xenophobic country towards other Africans. They are not friendly to immigrants. Even if he went there, they would just look for a reason to get rid of him the next day, or threaten his life. Haven't you been watching news of late about South Africa?


Sure, same problem is everywhere these days, mostly worried about losing their jobs to foreigners. I didn't realise that extended to pro sports, however. I seem to recall Daniel Adongo played a couple of seasons for the Sharks before switching to NFL.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Thomas » Sun, 23 Jun 2019, 09:09

Genuinly surprise at Uganda winning in Kenya, they have always struggled there. Uganda are in the box seat to win it outright. Looking forward to them return match.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Edgar » Sun, 23 Jun 2019, 19:34

Thomas wrote:Genuinly surprise at Uganda winning in Kenya, they have always struggled there. Uganda are in the box seat to win it outright. Looking forward to them return match.


They drew there last year, but I believe this is their first win in the away leg of the Elgon Cup since 2006, the first year it was contested. Probably it says more about Kenya's steady demise than anything else. We saw in last year's World Cup qualifying repechage tournament how the Simbas were well beaten by teams they have defeated in years gone by - namely Germany and Hong Kong. The lack of an African championship this year will not help their cause. But we at least have the Victoria Cup, and yesterday's game doubled as the opening fixture for that event.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Trendsetta » Sun, 23 Jun 2019, 20:19

Thomas wrote:Genuinly surprise at Uganda winning in Kenya, they have always struggled there. Uganda are in the box seat to win it outright. Looking forward to them return match.


The Kenyan team had around 14 debutants, with only nine Simbas players returning from last year. Of the 14 debutants, 5 of them are in the under 20 team, apparently the under 20 coach is now the Simbas coach this year, so he used the Uganda game to give his 5 under 20s players game time before Brazil :roll: :?: . Four under 20s were in the starting line up. But then again, Uganda had 8 debutants for this game ;)
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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Trendsetta » Sun, 23 Jun 2019, 20:39

Edgar wrote:
Thomas wrote:Genuinly surprise at Uganda winning in Kenya, they have always struggled there. Uganda are in the box seat to win it outright. Looking forward to them return match.


They drew there last year, but I believe this is their first win in the away leg of the Elgon Cup since 2006, the first year it was contested. Probably it says more about Kenya's steady demise than anything else. We saw in last year's World Cup qualifying repechage tournament how the Simbas were well beaten by teams they have defeated in years gone by - namely Germany and Hong Kong. The lack of an African championship this year will not help their cause. But we at least have the Victoria Cup, and yesterday's game doubled as the opening fixture for that event.


They drew with Uganda in 2017 not last year, we beat them 38-22 in 2018, Uganda's last win in kenyan soil was in 2013.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Edgar » Sun, 23 Jun 2019, 21:18

What are your thoughts on the future of African rugby Trendsetta? I read recently the game is now played in 600 schools across Kenya. Seems like an impressive statistic. Are they going to be able to work their way out of this sponsorship quandary and get Kwese sports back on board?

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Trendsetta » Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 07:41

Edgar wrote:What are your thoughts on the future of African rugby Trendsetta? I read recently the game is now played in 600 schools across Kenya. Seems like an impressive statistic. Are they going to be able to work their way out of this sponsorship quandary and get Kwese sports back on board?


High school rugby in Kenya is healthy, though most upcountry schools play only two or three fixtures a year especially if they don't qualify for the national games. This year KRU has started the Nairobi version of the 'Prescott cup' to other regions to fill up their calendars, so that's a big positive.

On the issue of Kwese, they may have left partly because Rugby Afrique change the format every year. The six team format was easy to follow and schedule, but they increased the teams to 8 this year, 2 groups of 4 teams, then a grand finale, countries had to bid to host, it was just a haphazard format and they left. I just don't know if they will get behind the RWC qualifying format. With a new RA board elected they may have a change of heart who knows...

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Edgar » Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 07:49

Trendsetta wrote:
Edgar wrote:What are your thoughts on the future of African rugby Trendsetta? I read recently the game is now played in 600 schools across Kenya. Seems like an impressive statistic. Are they going to be able to work their way out of this sponsorship quandary and get Kwese sports back on board?


High school rugby in Kenya is healthy, though most upcountry schools play only two or three fixtures a year especially if they don't qualify for the national games. This year KRU has started the Nairobi version of the 'Prescott cup' to other regions to fill up their calendars, so that's a big positive.

On the issue of Kwese, they may have left partly because Rugby Afrique change the format every year. The six team format was easy to follow and schedule, but they increased the teams to 8 this year, 2 groups of 4 teams, then a grand finale, countries had to bid to host, it was just a haphazard format and they left. I just don't know if they will get behind the RWC qualifying format. With a new RA board elected they may have a change of heart who knows...


Yes, that's my understanding of it too. Not sure having French-based North Africans running the regional association is really in the best interests of rugby across the continent! Interestingly, 6 seems to be the magic number for international tournaments around the world, and the Gold Cup should have been left as it was.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Sables4EVA » Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 10:15

Neptune wrote:South Africa is a xenophobic country towards other Africans. They are not friendly to immigrants. Even if he went there, they would just look for a reason to get rid of him the next day, or threaten his life. Haven't you been watching news of late about South Africa?


This is unfortunately the state of play. The very promising Gold Cup has been reduced to only include SA sides after Zimbabwean Club Old Georgians proved
that at Club level the African countries can match SA clubs. The Namibian Clubs did not do so well but I think if they had added the Zambian, Madagascan, Ugandan and Kenyan clubs we would have had a competition which would have rivalled the European club competitions. The Botswana and Rwandan club scenes would have been given a huge boost too as they would have wanted to up their games to reach a competitive level. Not to forget bout the other countries club scenes I have no clue about like West African unions etc.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Edgar » Mon, 01 Jul 2019, 22:38

Zimbabwe's Victoria Cup clash with Kenya has been postponed. No clear reason given, though it seems to be connected to the Simbas' shock loss to Uganda last month. https://www.theindependent.co.zw/2019/0 ... a-gear-up/

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Edgar » Tue, 02 Jul 2019, 09:58

West African Rugby tournaments to kick off later this month, including a men's XVs series involving Ghana, Ivory Coast and Nigeria:

Ghana Rugby Goes To WAR With Regional Rugby Tournaments
ACCRA - Ghana Rugby announced a groundbreaking initiative on the development of the Game of Rugby Union in the sub-region of West Africa with the first series of international men’s fifteens and women’s sevens matches.
According to the President of Ghana Rugby, Mr Herbert Mensah, these series of matches is the first step towards the realisation of a vision he has been sharing with Rugby Africa and other rugby nations in the region.
“WARS (West African Rugby Series) was born out of the need of Ghana Rugby to get more international match exposure as far back as 2015.
With the cancellation of flagship Rugby Africa tournaments this year this initiative was taken off the shelf and the planned regional matches for 2019 will serve as a precursor to WARS as envisaged when the idea first came up,” Mensah said.
The first of a series of rugby encounters between West African nations are planned in the form of the Ghana Rugby Invitationals towards the end of July.
In the week of 26 July to 3 August 2019 Ghana, Ivory Coast and Nigeria will play in a Men’s Fifteens Tournament. This tournament is being supported by Rugby Africa with a tournament grant and through the provision of match officials.
The second session of the 2019 Ghana Invitationals is planned for a men’s and women’s sevens tournament between eight West African nations. Dates for this tournament has not been set as the event is also subject to finding a suitable sponsor or sponsors.
Mensah said, “The Ghana Invitationals will give the development of rugby in West Africa an enormous boost with a total of 40 women’s sevens matches and three men’s fifteens matches. After July the focus will move to prepare for the 2019 Sevens Rugby Olympics Qualifiers that will take place in October 2019 in Tunisia for women and in November 2019 in South Africa for men.”
Rugby Africa earlier this year cancelled the flagship Gold, Silver and Bronze Cups due to budget constraints and with the aim to introduce a new men’s fifteens tournament structure that will involve the 16 top rugby nations in Africa.
Mensah said that the core of rugby development for nations lies in youth development and in strengthening domestic leagues. He added that international participation and aiming for the dream of taking part in global rugby matches is essential to attract the attention of sponsors and to give players the motivation to embrace the game of rugby fully.
“Rugby is about building character based on its values of integrity, passion, solidarity, discipline and respect and this vision is embraced globally by 9.1 million players and 338 million fans affiliated via 124 national member unions in six regions. This makes rugby the second biggest team sport in the world with rugby in Africa experiencing unprecedented growth,” Mensah said.
Mensah continued to say that the Ghana Rugby 2019 Invitationals is a first step towards the realisation of his vision to eventually create a sustainable ‘West Africa Rugby Series’ (WARS) that will include club and national tournament structures for both men and women in the sub-region.
About Ghana Rugby
Ghana Rugby is the official full member of both World Rugby (2017) and Rugby Africa in Ghana-West Africa and is responsible for the management and development of the Game Rugby Union in the country. The Union is governed by a Constitution and administers five KPAs (Key Performance Areas) namely: (1) Youth Development & Growth through the World Rugby “Get Into Rugby” Programme, (2) Women in Ghana Rugby, (3) Training & Education, (4) Domestic Competitions and (5) International Performance.
| Website: http://ghanarugby.org/ / www.ghana.rugby

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Edgar » Tue, 02 Jul 2019, 11:33

The glaring omission is Senegal, Gold Cup contenders just a couple of years ago :?

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 02 Jul 2019, 14:00

There's no more frustrating a continent for rugby than Africa. So much really good potential consistently wasted. So much chopping and changing of the international tournaments every year.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby rugby-veterinarian » Tue, 02 Jul 2019, 15:32

I completely agree. There is so much potential for many nations in Africa. The constant changes to their tournaments and teams deciding not play really gets frustrating. I know that every union is different with their own challenges, but it does get frustrating that there are so many changes and cancellations. Honestly I enjoy following international matches more than club, and Africa does and can produce some really entertaining games.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Edgar » Tue, 02 Jul 2019, 20:19

I'm getting the distinct impression Senegal is going to join the North African trio in a tournament in France later this year. That's where all their players are based, so it makes sense. I did enjoy that Maghrebi Tri Nations though and watched the live-streaming both years it was played. The rugby wasn't too inspiring, and the stadium looked like a prison compound, but the games were always close and down to the wire. Senegal might be in for a rough time.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Fri, 05 Jul 2019, 12:30

Congo Kinshasa "Leopards" took part in the Brussels 7s last weekend, finishing in 12th place with 1 win, 1 draw and 2 defeats. Now they go onto to Paris to take part in the Paris World Games Rugby 7s this coming weekend. All the Paris event categories are age graded, and the Leopards will be in Group A in the Open U25 category, also with a team from Burkina Faso in Group B

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Edgar » Fri, 05 Jul 2019, 18:29

Thank you, Ser! Please keep us posted on the results.

Last I heard Congo was still unbeaten after a handful of games in men's XVs competition, notwithstanding one unofficial friendly defeat to Rwanda. But I don't think they've been active for a couple of years. Is that right?

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