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New Belgium/Spain/Romania/eligibility thread UPDATE

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Re: New Belgium/Spain/Romania/eligibility thread UPDATE

Postby victorsra » Mon, 18 Jun 2018, 12:43

And Portugal should be mad. Come on. They had real chance to be promoted against Germany or Belgium.... but against Romania it will be really hard...
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Re: New Belgium/Spain/Romania/eligibility thread UPDATE

Postby amz » Mon, 18 Jun 2018, 12:47

victorsra wrote:And Portugal should be mad. Come on. They had real chance to be promoted against Germany or Belgium.... but against Romania it will be really hard...


They had the chance vs Belgium last year, they didn't showed up as a team which wanted to promote.

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Re: New Belgium/Spain/Romania/eligibility thread UPDATE

Postby victorsra » Mon, 18 Jun 2018, 13:43

Last year is last year. Portugal has the best youth team for many years and many french-portuguese players. They need to solve their internal problems because they have the conditions to go up. It wasn't Portugal's best team and they almost beat Germany in Germany. They could do the same against Belgium.
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Re: New Belgium/Spain/Romania/eligibility thread UPDATE

Postby amz » Mon, 18 Jun 2018, 13:52

Youth teams are good, but they're overestimated as how they influence the senior squad. For the particular Portuguese example, they have the advantage they play all year long in Lisbon together as opposed to other U20 squads who meet only for few weeks yearly. They use well this advantage but this cannot be replicated to seniors. Please tell me how many Portuguese players from last year U20 joined a pro team, or even Fed 1,2,3 or a senior side in Portuguese league? Many french portuguese we saw vs Germany yet they failed. ;) Win on field, have a coherent selection etc, let aside these paper plans ... anyway who use paper anymore these days?

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Re: New Belgium/Spain/Romania/eligibility thread UPDATE

Postby Tomster7uk » Mon, 18 Jun 2018, 14:18

I've just seen the fact that Romania have to play a game to keep their championship status. Would be interesting to see Portugal in the Championship and potentially an easier route into future world cups. (That is if they win the REC when the time comes around.). This is in comparison to the route they had took before their recent defeat to Germany.

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Re: New Belgium/Spain/Romania/eligibility thread UPDATE

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 18 Jun 2018, 14:23

Tomster7uk wrote:I've just seen the fact that Romania have to play a game to keep their championship status. Would be interesting to see Portugal in the Championship and potentially an easier route into future world cups. (That is if they win the REC when the time comes around.). This is in comparison to the route they had took before their recent defeat to Germany.


The easiest route is definitely being the Trophy winner. A lucky one-off-game and you are through. Germany is a good example for that. A one-off-victory against Romania in 2017 and that's off course not enough if you play in the REC (disqualifications are not the norm). For RWC 2011 we were 5 minutes away to beat Russia as the Trophy winner.
On the down side you get nowhere the preparation to harden your players as the gap between Trophy and Championship is still huge.
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Re: New Belgium/Spain/Romania/eligibility thread UPDATE

Postby suofficer » Mon, 18 Jun 2018, 14:23

Portugal were in the championship for many many years and only got relegated two seasons ago.

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Re: New Belgium/Spain/Romania/eligibility thread UPDATE

Postby amz » Mon, 18 Jun 2018, 14:28

Tomster7uk wrote:I've just seen the fact that Romania have to play a game to keep their championship status. Would be interesting to see Portugal in the Championship and potentially an easier route into future world cups. (That is if they win the REC when the time comes around.). This is in comparison to the route they had took before their recent defeat to Germany.


Second division team failing to qualify in 2017 up shouldn't have had the occasion to play a RWCQ game in the first place. Qualification must be meritocratic, not egalitarian... If they would have promote in 2018 and play 2018 REC yes, it would have made sense to play a Quali match against Europe 2 because they didn't had the chance to compete in 2017 but other than that this was a silly, needless match. But yeah, let's have more exotic sides who failed to put their act together competing for RWC and have a go after a one off match.

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Re: New Belgium/Spain/Romania/eligibility thread UPDATE

Postby Tomster7uk » Mon, 18 Jun 2018, 14:39

RugbyLiebe wrote:
Tomster7uk wrote:I've just seen the fact that Romania have to play a game to keep their championship status. Would be interesting to see Portugal in the Championship and potentially an easier route into future world cups. (That is if they win the REC when the time comes around.). This is in comparison to the route they had took before their recent defeat to Germany.


The easiest route is definitely being the Trophy winner. A lucky one-off-game and you are through. Germany is a good example for that. A one-off-victory against Romania in 2017 and that's off course not enough if you play in the REC (disqualifications are not the norm). For RWC 2011 we were 5 minutes away to beat Russia as the Trophy winner.
On the down side you get nowhere the preparation to harden your players as the gap between Trophy and Championship is still huge.



I just did a bit more research and turns out anyone who wins the Rugby Europe Conferences 1 and 2 can qualify for the the world cup by winning round 1 and round 2 finals respectively and then taking on the winner of round 3 (Czechia in this case) then they can get into the play offs after beating round 4 winners (Portugal) ....

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I understand where you are coming from in regards to the easiest route..

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Re: New Belgium/Spain/Romania/eligibility thread UPDATE

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 18 Jun 2018, 15:29

Tomster7uk wrote:
RugbyLiebe wrote:
Tomster7uk wrote:I've just seen the fact that Romania have to play a game to keep their championship status. Would be interesting to see Portugal in the Championship and potentially an easier route into future world cups. (That is if they win the REC when the time comes around.). This is in comparison to the route they had took before their recent defeat to Germany.


The easiest route is definitely being the Trophy winner. A lucky one-off-game and you are through. Germany is a good example for that. A one-off-victory against Romania in 2017 and that's off course not enough if you play in the REC (disqualifications are not the norm). For RWC 2011 we were 5 minutes away to beat Russia as the Trophy winner.
On the down side you get nowhere the preparation to harden your players as the gap between Trophy and Championship is still huge.



I just did a bit more research and turns out anyone who wins the Rugby Europe Conferences 1 and 2 can qualify for the the world cup by winning round 1 and round 2 finals respectively and then taking on the winner of round 3 (Czechia in this case) then they can get into the play offs after beating round 4 winners (Portugal) ....

also

I understand where you are coming from in regards to the easiest route..


That's been in place for at least the last two RWC qualifications + was implemented for Ireland to have a go at the Olympics in 7s. Actually the Czech Republic had another playoff game against Portugal (which was merged with the RET game). If the Czech Republic would have won they would've played Germany.
This made sense, when all the Rugby Europe divisions were bi-annual, but with them now having relegation games every year it became senseless.
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Re: New Belgium/Spain/Romania/eligibility thread UPDATE

Postby victorsra » Mon, 18 Jun 2018, 16:49

Please tell me how many Portuguese players from last year U20 joined a pro team, or even Fed 1,2,3 or a senior side in Portuguese league? Many french portuguese we saw vs Germany yet they failed. ;)


Sorry, but what are you trying to argue? That Portugal had no chance against Belgium or Germany? Please...

As I said, Portugal needs to create the system that allows their young talent to move on. That's their challenge. Much more easy to grow if you already have youth rugby with quality. And as you probably know it wasn't Portugal's best possible team. Portuguese posters have already said that.

Pretty obvius that Portugal would have big chances of being back if Romania wasn't in the Relegation playoff.
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Re: New Belgium/Spain/Romania/eligibility thread UPDATE

Postby Tomster7uk » Mon, 18 Jun 2018, 20:35

victorsra wrote:
Please tell me how many Portuguese players from last year U20 joined a pro team, or even Fed 1,2,3 or a senior side in Portuguese league? Many french portuguese we saw vs Germany yet they failed. ;)


Sorry, but what are you trying to argue? That Portugal had no chance against Belgium or Germany? Please...

As I said, Portugal needs to create the system that allows their young talent to move on. That's their challenge. Much more easy to grow if you already have youth rugby with quality. And as you probably know it wasn't Portugal's best possible team. Portuguese posters have already said that.

Pretty obvius that Portugal would have big chances of being back if Romania wasn't in the Relegation playoff.


Any team that plays has a chance to pull off an upset...think back to the world cup where Japan beat South Africa in the dying moments of their match. It is possible, so never write a team off.

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Re: New Belgium/Spain/Romania/eligibility thread UPDATE

Postby YamahaKiwi » Fri, 22 Jun 2018, 11:53

It's possible if you have decent players, and the funding to prepare in a high performance enviroment. Japan had decent players, and then the union underwrote the team to be in camp 120days of that year. That was longer than any of the T1 teams were even in camp. That's what that result took.

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