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Growing rugby in Tier 1 nations

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Re: Growing rugby in Tier 1 nations

Postby ihateblazers » Thu, 10 May 2018, 00:44

RugbyLiebe wrote:[

Need to take some time and have a closer look. What I didn't like is, that they didn't break down the global follower's age. It is really strange that i.e. in Wales only 23% of the age group 18-24 are interested in rugby, but 52% of the 25-34 age group. Something is wrong there. Or maybe rugby fans just get later fond of the sport, when they are sick of the idiot show the average soccer game is nowadays, with all that diving and crying like little children. I would 100% fit myself in that interest-shift-group. I used to absolutely love soccer, but can't watch it any more, it just annoys me. On the other hand could the rise of Welsh soccer into the Premier League have been such a game changer?


For wales it sounds about right for the national team. I mean most people in t1 countries who know about rugby at all only know about the national team and of course you are going to love the national team. The study seems pretty generalised and probably doesn't take into account support for club/regions whether that be hardcore or even passive. That would probably closer to 10-20% for 25-34 year olds, even less for 18-24 year olds.

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Re: Growing rugby in Tier 1 nations

Postby NaBUru38 » Thu, 10 May 2018, 01:17

Speaking of northern France, next November the Bleus will host the Pumas at the Stade Pierre-Mauroy in Villeneuve-d'Ascq near Lille. It's a rematch from 2012.

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Re: Growing rugby in Tier 1 nations

Postby Figaro » Thu, 10 May 2018, 09:52

Confirmation today that the Anglo Welsh cup is gone and will be replaced by an England-only Premiership cup. Welsh sides will focus on their U23 development competition, which is pretty much what they used the Anglo-Welsh for anyway.

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Re: Growing rugby in Tier 1 nations

Postby grande » Thu, 10 May 2018, 12:32

Figaro wrote:Confirmation today that the Anglo Welsh cup is gone and will be replaced by an England-only Premiership cup. Welsh sides will focus on their U23 development competition, which is pretty much what they used the Anglo-Welsh for anyway.


It's incredibly unlikely to happen, but I would loooove to see an FA Cup-style tournament for English rugby.

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Re: Growing rugby in Tier 1 nations

Postby Blurandski » Thu, 10 May 2018, 13:16

grande wrote:
Figaro wrote:Confirmation today that the Anglo Welsh cup is gone and will be replaced by an England-only Premiership cup. Welsh sides will focus on their U23 development competition, which is pretty much what they used the Anglo-Welsh for anyway.


It's incredibly unlikely to happen, but I would loooove to see an FA Cup-style tournament for English rugby.


It used to happen, my local club has a photo of them (3rd tier at the time I think) celebrating a win over Gloucester at Kingsholm.

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Re: Growing rugby in Tier 1 nations

Postby victorsra » Thu, 10 May 2018, 13:31

Now that the RFU Championship has no playoffs and has boring dispute for the promotion they could award Championship clubs spots in the Cup. It would help them. But they will? I doubt there is any intention to promote the rise of new clubs...
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Re: Growing rugby in Tier 1 nations

Postby jservuk » Sat, 12 May 2018, 11:31

Rugby League in England described as "flagging" here.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-leagu ... uch-rugby/

For those who don't know, Barry Hearn is a big personality in UK, having made snooker a big "sport" in England in the 1970s-80s, and has increased interest in boxing again with his son Eddie.

He owned Leyton Orient FC, and I do wonder what he would have done if he'd bought a bigger club like Leeds United.

But his involvement with RFL would be very interesting. They obviously see big potential. Interestingly he seems to think the key thing is to have superstars. Not many RU players are national superstars, and this might be why it struggles for attention at times.

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Re: Growing rugby in Tier 1 nations

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 12 May 2018, 13:10

I’ve never understood the point of an FA Cup style tournament for rugby. In soccer it’s possible for a League 2 team to spring a 1-0 upset over a Premier League club, in rugby the odds of something similar happening are virtually zero.

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Re: Growing rugby in Tier 1 nations

Postby sk 88 » Sat, 12 May 2018, 15:01

thatrugbyguy wrote:I’ve never understood the point of an FA Cup style tournament for rugby. In soccer it’s possible for a League 2 team to spring a 1-0 upset over a Premier League club, in rugby the odds of something similar happening are virtually zero.



Well we had a cup and up sets were actually getting more common over time before, for totally unrelated reasons :roll: , the top clubs refused to play in it and forced the change to an Anglo-Welsh Cup just with themselves and the Welsh.

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Re: Growing rugby in Tier 1 nations

Postby NaBUru38 » Sat, 12 May 2018, 15:56

thatrugbyguy wrote:I’ve never understood the point of an FA Cup style tournament for rugby. In soccer it’s possible for a League 2 team to spring a 1-0 upset over a Premier League club, in rugby the odds of something similar happening are virtually zero.

Correct. But that's because in the FA Cup, the Premier League and EFL Championship teams enter in the round of 64. Meanwhile in the Coppa Italia, the top 8 Serie A teams enter in round of 16.

So with a more staggered tournament format, brutal clashes are avoided. Of course, that requires more rounds, and the "everyone can reach the final" motto gets a bit lost.

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