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Nations Cup 2018

Postby Canalina » Thu, 19 Apr 2018, 05:11

Should be played in Montevideo from 2 to 10 june with Uruguay, Argentina XV, Fiji Warriors and Italia Emergenti (source: Americasrugbynews)

Anyway World Rugby doesn't report the tournament in its list, at the moment. Last year the calendar was released on march 23, despite the tournament was one week later than this year (10-18 june); so the current absence of a calendar suggests that there could be some organizing problems

Argentina XV just played a test with Argentina U20, winning 38-31. These are the Arg XV line-up and their scorers

ARGENTINA XV: 15 Juan Cruz Mallía, 14 José Barros Sosa, 13 Santiago Resino, 12 Lucas Mensa, 11 Julián Domínguez, 10 Tomás Granella, 9 Tomás Cubelli, 8 Santiago Portillo, 7 Lautaro Bavaro (cap.), Francisco Granella, 5 Ignacio Larrague, 4 Benjamín Macome, 3 Lucas Favre, 2 Bruno Fortuny. 1 Felipe Arregui
Replacements: 16 Axel Zapata, 17 Franco Brarda, 18 Nicolás Leiva, 19 Diego Galetto, 20 Mariano Romanini, 21 Lucas Magnasco, 22 Nicolás Cantarutti, 23 Tomás Videla, 24 Rodrigo Bruni, 25 Jerónimo Ureta

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Conv: Granella (2), Cantarutti (2)

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby Neptune » Sat, 21 Apr 2018, 06:08

Would be good to have another team from Africa aside from Namibia.

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby STMKY » Sat, 21 Apr 2018, 13:34

Russia will apply for the Nations Cup. There are three host options for Moscow, Kazan and St. Petersburg.
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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby Salta » Sat, 21 Apr 2018, 15:20

There is no organizing problems.

Neither are reasons to move it to Russia, in June international rugby must be played in southern hemisphere.

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 21 Apr 2018, 15:22

There is no reason why not seeing two tournaments as Tbilisi and Nations in Bucharest coexisted.

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby Salta » Sat, 21 Apr 2018, 15:58

Two tournaments or more, but not in Europa.
When you had Tbilisi and Bucarest the southern teams had to travel to Europa twice in a year. The Southern teams (USA and Canada too) need to be hosts in the mid year, that matter.

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 21 Apr 2018, 16:02

Don't think about Europe, think about Russia. They NEVER host anything outside REC.

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby victorsra » Sat, 21 Apr 2018, 16:19

Russia deserves home June tests. They never play November tests at home because of the weather.
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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby Salta » Sun, 22 Apr 2018, 02:39

Ok, that makes sense.

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby Sables4EVA » Sun, 22 Apr 2018, 06:24

I think a nations cup in South America and one in Africa too every year would help spread the game

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby Canalina » Sun, 22 Apr 2018, 09:34

I fear there's a gap between our hopes of game spreading and the reality. Apparently the Cup of Nations in Hong Kong still attract few hundreds people after several editions; the very promising Serendipity Cup in Sri Lanka felt down after just one edition; the Brotherhood Cup (or something like that) in Malaysia, supposed to gather all the islamic nations, disappeared after one edition ended in a brawl; the Tbilisi Cup never triggered much interest and so the Nations Cup in Bucharest. I like all these competitions, but they don't seem to hit the big public. So I think the effects of a similar competition in Africa would be limited.

The fact that Russia is interested on being the venue of one of these tournaments is very positive, mostly if they were able to host it in Moscow or St.Petersburg

Maybe they should call it with a more original name: Nations Cup, Cup of Nations are very generic. Like to call the Paris-Roubaix "Teams Cup": it wouldn't sound so fascinating

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 22 Apr 2018, 09:41

more original name >> KREMLIN CONGRESS | ROUT | SKHODNYAK

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 22 Apr 2018, 11:17

Russia is in a weird spot climate wise. They really should be hosting June tests and touring in November.

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby NaBUru38 » Wed, 25 Apr 2018, 14:43

Salta wrote: in June international rugby must be played in southern hemisphere.

I disagree. Uruguay should host international tests in November, not June.

Likewise, Eastern Europe should host international tests in June, not November.

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby Salta » Wed, 25 Apr 2018, 19:15

NaBUru38 wrote:
Salta wrote: in June international rugby must be played in southern hemisphere.

I disagree. Uruguay should host international tests in November, not June.

Likewise, Eastern Europe should host international tests in June, not November.

That is not an option right now.

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby victorsra » Wed, 25 Apr 2018, 20:00

There is an obviou mathematical problem: you can't have more home than away teams!

There must be more or less an equivalent number of competitive nations hosting matches and touring in each month.

Let's count only the 6 Nations, The Rugby Championship, Americas Rugby Championship, Rugby Europe Championship and Pacific 3 Nations teams + Asia/Africa nations that are in the top 30 of the world now.

June/July hosts
Home teams able to host 3 matches (10): New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Argentina, USA, Canada, Uruguay, Chile, Brazil, Russia, Namibia, Kenya;


Home teams able do host 1 intercontinental match: Fiji, Samoa and Tonga (because they play also each other in June/July)

= 39 matches possible

November host
Home teams able to host 3 matches (11 nations): France, England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Italy, Georgia, Romania, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Hong Kong, Japan;

= 39 matches possible


To make it possible, I moved Asian teams to host matches in November, while Russia and all African nations hosting matches in June/July. Sorry, no room to move Uruguay to be a november host. Other countries have bigger weather problems.

The issue is that Japan probably wants to play the Europeans, while REC nations (specially Georgia) need matches against 6N nations. But most of those T1 nations play a 4th match anyway, making it possible to manage a 6N vs Georgia fixture every year and a Japan home match against an European nation.
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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby STMKY » Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 06:22

After the arrival of Artemiev in Russia, the situation changed. Now we have the opportunity to play home games in November at new stadiums. If Russia additionally for several years will receive the Nations Cup, it will be compensation, when Russia in June and November many years always played abroad.

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 07:06

victorsra wrote:There is an obviou mathematical problem: you can't have more home than away teams!

There must be more or less an equivalent number of competitive nations hosting matches and touring in each month.

Let's count only the 6 Nations, The Rugby Championship, Americas Rugby Championship, Rugby Europe Championship and Pacific 3 Nations teams + Asia/Africa nations that are in the top 30 of the world now.

June/July hosts
Home teams able to host 3 matches (10): New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Argentina, USA, Canada, Uruguay, Chile, Brazil, Russia, Namibia, Kenya;


Home teams able do host 1 intercontinental match: Fiji, Samoa and Tonga (because they play also each other in June/July)

= 39 matches possible

November host

Home teams able to host 3 matches (11 nations): France, England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Italy, Georgia, Romania, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Hong Kong, Japan;

= 39 matches possible


To make it possible, I moved Asian teams to host matches in November, while Russia and all African nations hosting matches in June/July. Sorry, no room to move Uruguay to be a november host. Other countries have bigger weather problems.

The issue is that Japan probably wants to play the Europeans, while REC nations (specially Georgia) need matches against 6N nations. But most of those T1 nations play a 4th match anyway, making it possible to manage a 6N vs Georgia fixture every year and a Japan home match against an European nation.



Sorry but I don't really understand your list because of various reasons. First I struggled a bit about you just writing down 25 teams, until I found the PIs in a seperate column. What does the number in the bracket mean? i.e.
3 matches (10)


Then I think the approach is the wrong one. I mean leave tradition aside: are there any teams not to host games on a specific date or would games be extremely complicated like playing most likely in snow in November in Russia or a heat wave in Australia. Anyone else?

I also don't think that any uneven number is a problem. Then some teams just play two times or some 4 times. But there are so many possibilities so you only make sure every team has a set number guaranteed.
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Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby STMKY » Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 08:26

You can play any day of November in comfortable conditions
-Rostov on Don +20C 0C
-Kaliningrad +15C 0C
-Volgograd +15C -5C
-Petersburg, Moscow, Nizhniy Novgorod, Saransk +10С -5С
If we do not want to risk the temperature -10 and snow, then you can play in the first two weeks in a comfortable environment
-Kazan, Samara, Ekaterinburg +10C -10C
In the South of Russia in Krasnodar and Sochi you can play even in winter in comfortable conditions. On the city map with new stadiums, which will be available for rugby after the completion of FM2018.
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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 09:02

STMKY wrote:You can play any day of November in comfortable conditions
-Rostov on Don +20C 0C
-Kaliningrad +15C 0C
-Volgograd +15C -5C
-Petersburg, Moscow, Nizhniy Novgorod, Saransk +10С -5С
If we do not want to risk the temperature -10 and snow, then you can play in the first two weeks in a comfortable environment
-Kazan, Samara, Ekaterinburg +10C -10C
In the South of Russia in Krasnodar and Sochi you can play even in winter in comfortable conditions. On the city map with new stadiums, which will be available for rugby after the completion of FM2018.


So why are we even talking about this then? Problem solved :lol:
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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby STMKY » Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 09:20

Because earlier the oligarch Kopyev from Londongrad had led the Union. He did not care about the home matches of the team, and it was more interesting for the Union's ordinary managers to travel to the many countries of the world as tourists than to organize the games in Russia.

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby BigG » Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 10:03

In November Kaliningrad +15C or Petersburg, Moscow, Nizhniy Novgorod, Saransk +10С.

Looks Russia is moved to tropics.

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby STMKY » Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 11:04

In the range from + 15С to 0С and in the range from + 10С to -5С. This is the normal temperature for this time. Russia is affected not only by the Arctic from the North, but also by the Gulf Stream from the West.

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby Canalina » Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 12:05

But about this year edition have we news?
Searching on google the only news come as usual by Americasrugbynews (or by this forum itself), and it lasts just one month and a week to the supposed start of the event

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Re: Nations Cup 2018

Postby evil santa » Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 12:06

STMKY wrote:In the range from + 15С to 0С and in the range from + 10С to -5С. This is the normal temperature for this time. Russia is affected not only by the Arctic from the North, but also by the Gulf Stream from the West.

Really?

STMKY wrote:Because earlier the oligarch Kopyev from Londongrad had led the Union. He did not care about the home matches of the team, and it was more interesting for the Union's ordinary managers to travel to the many countries of the world as tourists than to organize the games in Russia.

I think the question was - why to discuss "Nations Cup" in Russia for Summer tests.

STMKY wrote:You can play any day of November in comfortable conditions

So you think that temperature shown at thermometer is enough to call conditions "comfortable"? And your "ranges" are too optimistic.
Also, conditions suitable to play may not be good to attract fans, especially new ones.

it seems you just don't understand what rubbish you are writing. I thought you would like to see international tests in Krasnoyarsk, but I was wrong.

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