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New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby Scoob » Sat, 21 Apr 2018, 20:10

I cant seam to keep up with the news of all these new professional rugby competitons being formed.
We got:
Aussie man.Forest new Asia pacific competition involving not sure which teams as yet,but hopefully a path foth professional pacific island players.

Major league rugby

Sth America professional rugby championship.First time i heard about this was yesterday.Uruguay a contracting players to play in this comp that will start in couple of years?Something about joining forces with football clubs.

European rugby competition. I think Russia is behind this one,dont know anything about this but involved teams from Georgia Ukraine etc.Upmto 15 teams apparently.

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby Grayday88 » Sat, 21 Apr 2018, 21:37

Scoob wrote:I cant seam to keep up with the news of all these new professional rugby competitons being formed.
We got:
Aussie man.Forest new Asia pacific competition involving not sure which teams as yet,but hopefully a path foth professional pacific island players.

Major league rugby

Sth America professional rugby championship.First time i heard about this was yesterday.Uruguay a contracting players to play in this comp that will start in couple of years?Something about joining forces with football clubs.

European rugby competition. I think Russia is behind this one,dont know anything about this but involved teams from Georgia Ukraine etc.Upmto 15 teams apparently.
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All really encouraging although Has there been any recent news on the IPRC

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby victorsra » Sat, 21 Apr 2018, 22:23

Sth America professional rugby championship.First time i heard about this was yesterday.Uruguay a contracting players to play in this comp that will start in couple of years?Something about joining forces with football clubs.

We've talked a lot about it in the South American Rugby thread. Still lacks information, but it is supposed to start in 2019 or 2020 (more likely 2020), with franchises from Argentina (not sure how many), Uruguay (2, linked to football giants Peñarol and Nacional), Brazil (also 2, probably in São Paulo and Curitiba) and Chile (1). There's a possibility of having also Paraguay (1), Colombia (1) and Mexico (1), but I think it is crazy.
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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby grande » Mon, 23 Apr 2018, 00:20

Isn't Scotland also starting a new (semi-)pro competition?

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 23 Apr 2018, 00:54

Wasn't Malaysia also looking for form a professional league?

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 23 Apr 2018, 01:27

Just a though also. When the South American league eventually kicks off it will mean we have professional rugby on all five continents for the very first time.

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby victorsra » Mon, 23 Apr 2018, 01:32

well, we already have... Jaguares.
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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 23 Apr 2018, 01:33

I meant professional leagues.

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Postby Working Class Rugger » Mon, 23 Apr 2018, 01:48

thatrugbyguy wrote:I meant professional leagues.


Yes. It would be the first time we have pro leagues across the five continents.

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby Working Class Rugger » Mon, 23 Apr 2018, 02:03

thatrugbyguy wrote:Wasn't Malaysia also looking for form a professional league?


Still are I think.

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 23 Apr 2018, 02:11

That will be a pretty big milestone. It means players will have local opportunities.

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 24 Apr 2018, 07:50

So, looking at the pro leagues currently running we have:

Super Rugby
Aviva Premiership
Celtic League
Top 14
Japanese Top League
Romania Supaliga
Major League Rugby

Am I missing any?

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby Working Class Rugger » Tue, 24 Apr 2018, 07:53

thatrugbyguy wrote:So, looking at the pro leagues currently running we have:

Super Rugby
Aviva Premiership
Celtic League
Top 14
Japanese Top League
Romania Supaliga
Major League Rugby

Am I missing any?


Russian Professional Rugby League. Could probably include Pro D2 as well.

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 24 Apr 2018, 08:02

Is the second division in England pro or semi-pro?

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby Thomas » Tue, 24 Apr 2018, 08:26

thatrugbyguy wrote:Is the second division in England pro or semi-pro?


PRO

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby Working Class Rugger » Tue, 24 Apr 2018, 09:29

Thomas wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:Is the second division in England pro or semi-pro?


PRO


Isn't supposed to be completely pro but in practice doesn't it vary?
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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby Thomas » Tue, 24 Apr 2018, 09:59

True, particularly with teams coming up from the division below, but for all intents and purpose is Pro

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby sammo » Tue, 24 Apr 2018, 10:04

What about the NRC in Australia? I know it's a short season, but are they full time for the period they play?

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 24 Apr 2018, 10:22

It's labeled pro, but probably bordering more semi-professional.

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Postby Working Class Rugger » Tue, 24 Apr 2018, 11:59

sammo wrote:What about the NRC in Australia? I know it's a short season, but are they full time for the period they play?


I'd say semi-pro insofar as it comes under the requirements of those contracted to SR, yes. But the aspiring players are more or less paid costs.

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby vino_93 » Tue, 24 Apr 2018, 12:19

Being a pro league or not doesn't mean having paid players.
It means that all players involved are employed - by the clubs, federations, leagues, ... as you want - as rugby player. They must ALL have a employment contrat as rugby player, and be paid with social charges.

Take France as an example. You have players being paid down to Fédérale 3. Maybe even at lower levels.
But Fédérale 1, 2 and 3 aren't pro leagues. Neither semi-pro. There nobody can be employed as rugby player. They are amateur championships.
Guys who get paid aren't employed as rugby players. They receive money, in exchange of what you want ... coaching, image rights, city hall employee, a fictive job in a sponsor company, ... but not for playing rugby.

So here we have only two real pro championships : Top 14 and Pro D2.
And no semi-pro (semi-pro allows pro contracts, but not necessarily for everyone / or with limited numbers per teams).


So now, if regulations are well done by federations / leagues, these points must appear in them. Let's have a look at it for tendencious championships :D (I think Championship is Pro, as NRC - not so sure about Russia)

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby vino_93 » Tue, 24 Apr 2018, 12:43

Championships : http://www.englandrugby.com/mm/Document ... nglish.pdf
Not so clear. It looks like players must have a contract - so I'd guess pro contract. But I'm not 100% sure that it involves everyone ...


For NRC, I can't find the regulations ...

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Postby Working Class Rugger » Tue, 24 Apr 2018, 12:55

vino_93 wrote:Championships : http://www.englandrugby.com/mm/Document ... nglish.pdf
Not so clear. It looks like players must have a contract - so I'd guess pro contract. But I'm not 100% sure that it involves everyone ...


For NRC, I can't find the regulations ...


Players already contracted to SR squads are obliged to compete in the NRC. So they are professional. They train with the squad but also with their respective SR team. Those not are paid a small stipend. Between $3-5,000 for the season. At best its a weird mix of pro/semi-pro.

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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby victorsra » Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 19:58

About the IPCR, well, their twitter is inactive in 2018 https://twitter.com/iprugby

And their website does not open iprugby.com

Super Rugby
Aviva Premiership
Celtic League
Top 14
Japanese Top League
Romania Supaliga
Major League Rugby


Pro D2 is totaly pro.

RFU Championship and Italy's Eccellenza I would include too, I don't believe they are "less pro" than Superliga or MLR...

And probably the Russian league if I understood properly that their 6 clubs are realy professional.

Top League is not a convencional full-pro league AFAIK, as most Japanese players work part time in the companies that own the teams. But they have a second division too - the Top Challenge - that I believe is as professional as the Top League (BTW, any news about the idea of a Korean team playing the Top Challenge?... AFAIR it would be owned by Hyundai)

I guess non-Super Rugby players in Currie Cup are professionals too as they have the Super Challenge as well.

NZ's Mitre 10 Cup works like Australia's NRC? Non-Super Rugby players are semi-pros?
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Re: New Professional rugby competitions forming

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 27 Apr 2018, 04:32

NRC and Mitre 10 Cup sit in this weird spot between professional and semi-professional. I'd guess you'd class both as professional development leagues, with a mix of Super Rugby and up coming club players who receive match day payments. Some of the non SR players in the NRC I believe get little more than $3,000 for 8 or 9 games they play, which would class them as semi-pro.

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