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RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby Raven » Tue, 12 Jun 2018, 16:12

Ser Podrick of Payne wrote:Well this selection for the training camp looks stronger than recently to me ( from http://www.totalrugby.de/content/view/9482/37/ )

Hannover 78: Jan Piosik
Heidelberger RK: Jörn Schröder, Samy Füchsel, Timo Vollenkemper, Sebastian Ferreira, Jaco Otto, Ayron Schramm, Jarrid Els, Luis Ball, Sean Armstrong, Pierre Mathurin, Hagen Schulte, Raynor Parkinson, Steffen Liebig, Marcel Coetzee
RG Heidelberg: Antony Dickinson, Florian Wehrspann, Manuel Müller, Marvin Dieckmann
RK Heusenstamm: Zinzan Hees
SC Frankfurt 1880: Marcel Becker, Luis Lemperle
SC Neuenheim: Paul Weiß, Nikolai Klewinghaus
SU Neckarsulm: Mark Fairhurst, Marcel Henn
TSV Handschuhsheim: Marcus Bender
TV Pforzheim: Oliver Paine, Carlos Soteras-Merz
Aurillac (FRA): Julius Nostadt
La Rochelle (FRA): Eric Marks
RC Vannes (FRA): Tim Menzel, Chris Hilsenbeck

Auf Abruf: Winston Cameron-Dow, Lukas Deichmann (SC Frankfurt 1880), Felix Martel, Paul Schüle (TSV Handschuhsheim), Fabian Heimpel (RG Heidelberg), Sam Harris (TV Pforzheim)


Although certainly stronger, I think a few more names could have been added; not sure of the Hooker option (would have called up Mika Tyumenev from Strasbourg - FRA- who was always a good performer), perhaps would have looked for a better prop than Bender and Weiß, who seem a bit amateurish to go for a RWC spot; Matthias Schosser maybe?

I like seeing Carlos SM back in XV-mode.

Does anybody know how´s Zani Dembele recovery going? was an interesting prospect that couldn´t flourish unfortunately.

I hope that if luck goes to Germany´s favor on Saturday, more players become available for both Samoa and / or Repechage.

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby suofficer » Tue, 12 Jun 2018, 16:16

I have this feeling that if either side get a shot at Samoa a few more people make themselves available.

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby Raven » Tue, 12 Jun 2018, 16:22

suofficer wrote:I have this feeling that if either side get a shot at Samoa a few more people make themselves available.


Well, yeah, it´s kind of what I´m hoping too. Would be awesome that either side sent Samoa to the Repechage... bit of a long shot though :?

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby Gen Santa » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 01:47

we need a repechage version of japan vs springbok... for 2 legs

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby Neptune » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 03:40

suofficer wrote:Portugal Match Day Squad

Aderito Esteves - Tarbes
Antonio Vidinha - Cascais
Bruno Medeiros - CDUL
Bruno Rocha - Tecnico
Andreu Cyrille - Aubenas
Duarte Diniz - Direito / Norths Rugby
Francisco Fernandes - US Tyrosse
Francisco Franco de Sousa - Cascais
Francisco Vieira - Rotherham Titans
Geordie McSullea - CDUL
Goncalo Uva - Direito
Jacque Le Roux - Birmingham Mosely
Jean Sousa - Montauban ( I think this is the guy, says he played for France U20 ???? )

Joao Lino - CDUL
Joao Taveira - Direito
Jorge Saldanha Abecasis - CDUL
Jose Rodrigues - Agronomia
Manel Queiros - Coimbra
Manuel Vilela Pereira - Direito
Nuno Mascarenhas - Cascais
Nuno Sousa Guedes - Direito


Rodrigo Freudenthal - Belenenses
Salvador Vassalo - Cascais
Sebastiao Villax - CDUL
Thibault de Freitas - Midi Olympique (?)
Tomas Appleton- CDUL
Vasco Fragoso Mendes - Direito
Manel Cardoso Pinto - Agronomia

This isn't a bad side. But no Beco, Bardy, Marques, de Chaves and a couple of others missing. I might be wrong on a couple of the french based guys if anyone wants to verify .


Can't seem to see Pedro Leal in this squad. Is he injured? Plus Aderito Estevez must now switch from 7s to XVs mode after finishing playing for the Samurai 7s Select last week in Lisbon, which is kind of a tough thing these days.

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby Canalina » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 04:20

The game could go live on Rugby Europe Tv, but the live stream is still not confirmed

https://www.rugbyeurope.eu/rwc2019-europe-round-4

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby suofficer » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 06:44

Neptune wrote:
Can't seem to see Pedro Leal in this squad. Is he injured? Plus Aderito Estevez must now switch from 7s to XVs mode after finishing playing for the Samurai 7s Select last week in Lisbon, which is kind of a tough thing these days.



Pedro is a bit too old to feature in future planning I think. He has a full time real estate job now. Samuel Marques from Brive is the crucial 9 we are missing here.

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 06:51

The German coaching team (Pablo Lemoine, Kobus Potgieter, Mouritz Botha und Paul Healy) has now worked with the team for every day since thursday.
Pablo Lemoine sees the game as "the most important game in the history of German rugby".

Lemoine also states that the collaboration with Potgieter is excellent. "We are no politicians, but sportsmen. We work for a common goal and we do that together".

http://www.totalrugby.de/content/view/9491/37/
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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby suofficer » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 06:56

I genuinely mean this. Good luck to both sides. I'll be gutted if we lose. I think both sides will go into this fixture believing they can win. Neither of these squads have much playing time together though which could be crucial.

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 11:14

Yes, best of luck to both teams, whoever emerges with the win no doubt have a tough task coming up, but it might also be the best chance they have to make it to the World Cup for a while.

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby Shockterm » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 15:18

suofficer wrote:
Neptune wrote:
Can't seem to see Pedro Leal in this squad. Is he injured? Plus Aderito Estevez must now switch from 7s to XVs mode after finishing playing for the Samurai 7s Select last week in Lisbon, which is kind of a tough thing these days.



Pedro is a bit too old to feature in future planning I think. He has a full time real estate job now. Samuel Marques from Brive is the crucial 9 we are missing here.

The only problem I see having samuel marques is having a french 9 and a south african 10, it's already hard enough portuguese to english or portuguese to french, dont even waanna imagine french to english

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby sanitycheck » Wed, 13 Jun 2018, 16:15

CM wrote:


Not 100% sure about all positions so please point me if you spot any mistakes.


So also not 100%:
Vollenkemper often plays 2nd row,
Mathurin does play scrum-half´, but mostly wing
Wehrspann is more Full-back, or wing
Klewinghaus, Wing or Full-back
Menzel is a scrum-half
Paine can play scrum-half or fullback too,
No clue about Lemperle
Piosik is a scrum half

The rest should be right[/quote]

Lemperle is a current U18 player for Frankfurt, played a handful of first team games this year . Very talented up and comer, spent a year in NZ last year playing first XV . Hes a centre but as he's young will probably (if he makes the squad) play wing .
Formerly known as "Aus_in_Germany"

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby Tomster7uk » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 00:51

If the Germans win then it would potentially lead to their first ever World Cup finals whereas Portugal was in the 2007 edition.

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 01:38

Regardless of who wins, I really hope World Rugby fix the qualifying structure next time. It's needs a complete overhaul.

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby nick511 » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 04:55

I guess this game is going to be the first European RWC qualifying in recent memory to have WR appointed officials? Do we know if they will be in WR gear? I know the ref is Tom Foley but I'm not sure if he's reffed ENC/REC games before?

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby suofficer » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 06:20

Tomster7uk wrote:If the Germans win then it would potentially lead to their first ever World Cup finals whereas Portugal was in the 2007 edition.


Are you a bot?

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby suofficer » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 06:50

In other news the Portugal squad departed for Frankfurt a short time ago from Lisbon. I would have thought that a bit longer on the ground would have been more beneficial

Tom Foley has reffed quite a few important Aviva Prem matches so he could be expecting high standards , penalty count could be high. I potentially see this working in Portugals favour

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby suofficer » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 07:13

and just for a bit of statistical fun

Historial de confrontos com a Alemanha:

30/04/1989: Alemanha-Portugal, 30-15

17/04/1994: Portugal-Alemanha, 18-20

14/05/1995: Alemanha-Portugal, 16-26

04/04/1998: Portugal-Alemanha, 32-6

21/02/2009: Portugal-Alemanha, 44-6

27/02/2010: Alemanha-Portugal, 0-69

28/02/2015: Portugal-Alemanha, 11-3

27/02/2016: Alemanha-Portugal, 50-27

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 08:46

suofficer wrote:and just for a bit of statistical fun


So historically we "always" win two in a row. Fair enough :D
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby Masochist » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 11:19

There were also:
7.4.1974 Germany - Portugal 20:10
17.4.1988 Portugal - Germany 13:9

So not always two in a row :(

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 11:33

suofficer wrote:and just for a bit of statistical fun


So as long as I live (fixed), we "always" win two in a row. Fair enough :D
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 06:36

German lineup:

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Bench:
16 Mark Fairhurst - 17 Jörn Schröder - 18 Antony Dickinson - 19 Marcus Bender - 20 Timo Vollenkemper - 21 Marcel Henn - 22 Tim Menzel - 23 Chris Hilsenbeck - 24 Nikolai Klewinghaus - 25 Steffen Liebig

So a few suprises.
With Tyumenev, Ducau and Oltmann three French legionaires, who weren't in the preliminary squad are in the starting lineup. With the 9-10 combo Menzel & Hilsenbeck as well as Henn, Liebig and Klewinghaus we have a really strong bench in the backline.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby Raven » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 06:51

Those 3 surprises can certainly add something to the team.

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby CM » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 07:13

Good squad. Obviously three guys still have to be cut from the bench.

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Re: RWCQ - Jun16th - Germany v Portugal

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 07:33

CM wrote:Good squad. Obviously three guys still have to be cut from the bench.


Actually just 2, international squads are 23, right? But I wondered as well why the nominate 25.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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