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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby Bogdan_DC » Thu, 13 Sep 2018, 15:32

victorsra wrote:The Portuguese Rugby Union http://www.fpr.pt/ lists Romania vs Portugal in Bucharest on November 9th now.

On a Friday? Such an important game should be on a Saturday or Sunday.

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby dwpeate » Thu, 13 Sep 2018, 16:05

That would open up the chance of Kenya playing the full Romanian team then?

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby Sick » Thu, 13 Sep 2018, 16:34

dwpeate wrote:That would open up the chance of Kenya playing the full Romanian team then?



Not a chance. But I think we will field a much better side than we did against England Countries. Much, much better. I think.

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby victorsra » Thu, 13 Sep 2018, 20:05

I don't think Friday night is bad. I prefer to see Brazil playing on Friday nights as there is no football top division matches here on Friday nights (it is second division day) and there are no club rugby matches. But in other countries Friday is an important day for football. Don't know how it is in Romania. So I think it varies from country to country.
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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby Canalina » Fri, 14 Sep 2018, 06:55

Test: Hungary v Manchester University 0-84

Hungary

1. Horváth Krisztián
2. Angyal András
3. Gárgyán Dániel
4. Sebestyén Gábor
5. Kovács Márk Manó
6. Szabó István
7. Szabó András
8. Nánási Norbert
9. Bukodi Bendegúz
10. Őrsi Dávid
11. Tuskán Zsombor
12. Montanaro Attila
13. Jung Szilárd
14. Pék Árlen
15. Taschner Ádám
16. Kendi André
17. Cseh Attila
18. Zsíros Zoltán
19. Gál Bence
20. Kovács Maté
21. Csizmazia László
22. Rodgiro del Campo
23. Thomas Aponte
Edző: Szontagh Danie

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby suofficer » Fri, 14 Sep 2018, 07:13

World Rugby has the Romania v Portugal game on the 3rd still?

Friday night game will make it hard for Portuguese supporters to make it.

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 16 Sep 2018, 23:57

Rugby Europe has Romania v Portugal on November 10:
https://www.rugbyeurope.eu/rugby-europe/calendar

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby Tobar » Mon, 17 Sep 2018, 16:56

suofficer wrote:World Rugby has the Romania v Portugal game on the 3rd still?

Friday night game will make it hard for Portuguese supporters to make it.


November 3rd is a Saturday

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby victorsra » Mon, 17 Sep 2018, 20:02

Maybe the Portuguese union put friday because it is the day they fly do Bucharest?
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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby Canalina » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 05:45

Europe Cup for Nations' (former FIRA Cup, former... now REC) medal tally, If I assembled correctly the wikipedia data.
The incoming one should be the edition #50 (the "gold medals" are already 51 because in one edition there were three winners ex aequo)

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby Gorbeh » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 08:01

Canalina wrote:Europe Cup for Nations' (former FIRA Cup, former... now REC) medal tally, If I assembled correctly the wikipedia data.
The incoming one should be the edition #50 (the "gold medals" are already 51 because in one edition there were three winners ex aequo)

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It will be the 48th edition, if you count the tournaments on the same page [edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_Europe_International_Championships], and the 17th as European Nations Cup/ RE Championship, thus, since its placing inside the pyramide as the second tier championship under the six nations.

edit2: Georgia has 2 Gold medals too much in this table. Even under all formats they have only 10 titles to their name.

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby Canalina » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 09:21

Yes, sorry, I took and reassembled that medal tally from the italian version of the same wikipedia page (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campionat ... gby_Europe) but there are some discrepancies between the two versions, plus I probably wrongly added the podiums of two more years misunderstanding the date of the last update of the page

The medal tally basing on the wikipedia english page should be this (very different from the one above :oops: )
Francia 25 6 0
Romania 10 18 12
Georgia 10 5 1
Italia 1 8 8
Portugal 1 0 3
URSS 0 4 3
Russia 0 3 6
Germany 0 2 3
Spain 0 1 6
Morocco 0 0 3
Cecoslovacchia 0 0 2
total 47 47 47

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 09:24

When did the Soviet Union win it?

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 09:29

Never, that why they have 0 - 4 - 3

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby Canalina » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 09:49

Ex aequo on edition 1989-90, according to the italian wikipedia page; France, URSS and Romania finished withe same points, the french team had the best points difference but that wiki page says the trophy was awarded to all the three nations.
The english specific page concords, while the french page discords and assigns the victory to France

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coppa_FIRA_1989-1990
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989–90_FIRA_Trophy
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophée_européen_FIRA_de_rugby_à_XV_1989-1990

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby Gorbeh » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 10:08

Canalina wrote:Ex aequo on edition 1989-90, according to the italian wikipedia page; France, URSS and Romania finished withe same points, the french team had the best points difference but that wiki page says the trophy was awarded to all the three nations.
The english specific page concords, while the french page discords and assigns the victory to France

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coppa_FIRA_1989-1990
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989–90_FIRA_Trophy
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophée_européen_FIRA_de_rugby_à_XV_1989-1990


Interesting fact. The English and Italian article of the tournament, not the overview, cites Stepehen Jones' yearbook, but is there any official website, final classement? If it is true, one should update the overview article on wikipedia.

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 16:18

DARE I QUOTE MY BOOK -- WRIITEN BY A PERSON
WHO WAS WRITING ABOUT THAT COMP AT THE TIME

RESULTS AND TAB FROM THAT SEASON

http://ovaluri.comxa.com/matiane50/Years/1989.htm

>>> fira-s erTa Tasi 1989/90

22/10 rumineTi 13:21 sabWoeTi
5/11 sabWoeTi 15:12 italia


http://ovaluri.comxa.com/matiane50/Years/1990.htm

>> fira-s erTa Tasi 1989/90

18/02 safrangeTi 22:12 italia
7/04 italia 34:3 poloneTi
8/04 rumineTi 19:25 poloneTi
14/04 italia 9:16 rumineTi
18/05 safrangeTi 32:9 poloneTi
20/05 sabWoeTi 14:22 safrangeTi
24/05 safrangeTi 6:12 rumineTi
27/05 poloneTi 12:31 sabWoeTi

fira 89/90 m-w gat:gaS

FRA safrangeTi 3-1 82:47
SOV sabWoeTi 3-1 81:59
ROM rumineTi 2-2 60:61
ITA italia 1-3 67:56
POL poloneTi 1-3 49:116


NO TRIPLE TIE: FRA BETTERED SOV ON H2H RESULT
WHEREAS ROM LOST TO POL = HARD TO BELIEVE ?

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 16:32

STRANGELY POLES ALSO THINK THEY LOST TO ROMANIANS
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_mec ... ugby_union
BUT ON 14/04 = NOT 8/04

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby Bogdan_DC » Fri, 28 Sep 2018, 06:26

Romania A wins against Poland at home with only 25-19 on 8.04 because the first team wins in Italy with 16-9 on 14.04 (less than a week time). It was a strange tournament with many" A" teams involved and strange results. Like Romania lost on their own turf against URSS and then wins their only away victory against France in Auch. Of course that Romanian side says it was a tie tournament beetween us, France and URSS.

https://frr.ro/2016/02/18/inedit-titlul ... a-si-urss/

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 28 Sep 2018, 07:52

Romania A wins against Poland at home with only 25-19 on 8.04

1) In those hard, destruction times we, still in SOV, of course, could got result wrong --
I can check original printed source where POL win stems from, but not soon --
should open some pandora boxes

2) To my memories, SOV never claimed even SHARING a FIRA title for 1989-90

3) As FIRA rules were then and stand until recently (season 2017-18)
(THEY slightly amended it for 2018-19 = pls, TAKE a NOTE and download new manual!)
H2H (head-to-head) used to be a decisive criterion

As all three teams ended on 3-1 and beat opposition once,
then they should have counted For-Against between those three

Hence,

1. FRA +8 -6 = +2
2. SOV +8 -8 = 0
3. ROM -8 +6 = -2

4) Are there TWO Stephen Jones' ?

If NO, how can we trust that notorious freak -- and in non-UK matters?

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby Bogdan_DC » Fri, 28 Sep 2018, 08:31

It is always the one who tell the news to be trust. So yes it is pretty strange to share a title in 3 :).

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby Canalina » Fri, 28 Sep 2018, 08:32

The page linked above by FR reports the polish scorers of that match lost against Romania, so I think there are no many doubts about the correctness of that result
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_meczów_reprezentacji_Polski_w_rugby_union

The FRR article linked by Bogdan seems to say the last word also about the winner(s) of the trophy, but maybe the thing was not so clear; maybe (who knows?) there was not an official prize ceremony and someone ended the season thinking that France won the tournament while some others thought it was a triple ex aequo victory

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 28 Sep 2018, 08:53

maybe there was not an official prize ceremony

There was no prize at all -- hence, no ceremony

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby iul » Fri, 28 Sep 2018, 09:45

Bogdan_DC wrote:It is always the one who tell the news to be trust. So yes it is pretty strange to share a title in 3 :).

It was the same in 4N/5N. IIRC only when they expanded it to 6 they got rid of the shared titles. If you add up the number of titles each nation has you will see there are more of them than the number of times the competition was played.

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Re: 2018-2019 Rugby Europe Competition

Postby Bogdan_DC » Fri, 28 Sep 2018, 09:55

iul wrote:
Bogdan_DC wrote:It is always the one who tell the news to be trust. So yes it is pretty strange to share a title in 3 :).

It was the same in 4N/5N. IIRC only when they expanded it to 6 they got rid of the shared titles. If you add up the number of titles each nation has you will see there are more of them than the number of times the competition was played.

I didn't say it is not true, i say it is strange.

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