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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 12 Jan 2019, 23:11

I doubt it's going to be expanded anytime soon. We've seen countries struggle to host it in recent times. It would be easier to think of an expanded Trophy than an expanded Championship.

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 10:07

I don't think it's wise to provide official streaming for such a training camp, but since FER has decided otherwise... Streaming: http://canalferugby.tv

Friday 17:30 CET - Spain U20 v France U20 Développement (50 minutes) - 12-24
Saturday 12:00 CET - France U20 Développement v Portugal U20 (40 minutes) - 47-3
Saturday 12:50 CET - Spain U20 v Canada U20 (40 minutes) - 12-14
Saturday 13:30 CET - France U20 Développement v Canada U20 (40 minutes) - 45-5
Saturday 14:10 CET - Spain U20 v Portugal U20 (40 minutes) - 22-24
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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby suofficer » Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 10:32

Canada lost to Portugal and Portugal 'B' this past week in Portugal. Quite disappointing from Canada.

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby BigG » Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 12:58

My traditional question: is there a link for Italy U20 vs. Ireland U20?

Thanks in advance for response.

P.S. Later I found Canalina's posts in another topic. No need to post it again.

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby Canalina » Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 23:20

I can't see Italy's game but I watched France v Scotland just after. Despite many tries faded due to late handling errors or forward passes, France scored six tries showing a great open rugby, with skills and fantasy (but also with some defensive weakness). Funny match and great atmosphere in a stadium (in Pau) apparently fully packed.

Final scores
Italy v Ireland 14-34 (tries: 2-4)
France v Scotland 42-27 (tries: 6-5)
Wales v England 11-10 (tries: 1-1)

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 23 Feb 2019, 14:46

Dissapointing mini-tournament for Spain U20. And I didn't see Portugal any better. My money would be on Russia for the U20 Trophy this season...

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby BigG » Sat, 23 Feb 2019, 20:26

I believe Ireland and Wales look much better than a year ago, and on contrary Italy, England and France are weaker. In my opinion Scotland is the weakest one.

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby welshdragon2000 » Sat, 23 Feb 2019, 21:14

BigG wrote:I believe Ireland and Wales look much better than a year ago, and on contrary Italy, England and France are weaker. In my opinion Scotland is the weakest one.


Georgia about the same or a little stronger would you say?

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby Scoob » Sun, 24 Feb 2019, 00:09

Its always hard to judge the under 20 six nations because the team lists vary each game. It is like a development tournament before the real games start in the junior under 20 world cup.

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby dropkick » Sun, 24 Feb 2019, 02:36

BigG wrote:I believe Ireland and Wales look much better than a year ago, and on contrary Italy, England and France are weaker. In my opinion Scotland is the weakest one.



England were without a lot of their first choice players against Wales. The likes of Marcus Smith, Ted Hill, Hardwick etc. They still should have beaten Wales.

Ireland are stronger. Look better coached this year. Lightweight team but technically very good and we've a strong squad.

France not as strong as last year. We'll get a better idea after the next round. They've got some excellent individuals.

Wales look like a Gatland team. Well drilled, good defence. They beat England due to the ref and English stupidity.

Italy are not as good as the last 2 years but they've a decent pack.

Scotland look much weaker than last year when they finished 10th in the world championship.

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby dropkick » Sun, 24 Feb 2019, 02:39

Scoob wrote:Its always hard to judge the under 20 six nations because the team lists vary each game. It is like a development tournament before the real games start in the junior under 20 world cup.



Not sure I'd agree. Maybe for England but they've included their premiership players and Ted Hill who has a senior England cap.

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby BigG » Sun, 24 Feb 2019, 15:01

welshdragon2000 wrote:
BigG wrote:I believe Ireland and Wales look much better than a year ago, and on contrary Italy, England and France are weaker. In my opinion Scotland is the weakest one.


Georgia about the same or a little stronger would you say?


Hard to say. In general, backs including fly-half Tedo Abzhandadze are strong and experienced. Meantime, pack is less skilled and inexperienced.

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby RugbyPUBtbilisi » Sun, 24 Feb 2019, 16:49

BigG wrote:Hard to say. In general, backs including fly-half Tedo Abzhandadze are strong and experienced. Meantime, pack is less skilled and inexperienced.

Are you freakin serious? You think Georgia U20s pack is weaker than backs? :D

Most of that "less skilled and inexperienced" pack will sign contacts with french clubs this year and i bet no more than 1 back will get that chance. So absolutely wrong...

welshdragon2000 hard to say who is better, everything will be shown on the field, Georgia will gather really strong team for this year and i think they will beat few more T1 teams...

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby beber » Sun, 24 Feb 2019, 17:16

Georgia's forwards pack may includes some french based guys with professional experience: props Kharaishvili (Racing92/Top14), Tevdorashvili (Soyaux-Angouleme/ProD2), and hooker Karkadze (Aurillac/ProD2), the last one also playing for Georgia senior team. Also, still some forwards from last year, Menabde (hooker), Azariashvili (prop, Montpellier), Gelashvili (lock) in addition of Kharaishvili.
But Georgia will need new blood, especially in the backrow, and players like Jalaghonia, Saghinadze, Machaladze and Mamamtavrishvili will hardly be replaced.
The backs are almost the same than last year except Aprasidze and Sandro Svanidze who are now too old to play U20. Alania, Abzhandadze, Lomidze, Dzagnidze, Tapladze, Marjanishvili, Tchitchinadze will still there, more experienced. Let's see if Abzhandadze and eventually Karkadze will play U20 or will be with Georgia senior squad to prepare RWC

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby BigG » Sun, 24 Feb 2019, 17:59

May be I was not very accurate in my post. Under "less skilled and inexperienced" I meant the 2nd and 3rd lines of pack, not the front row. Our props and hooker are really strong.

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby BigG » Sun, 24 Feb 2019, 18:10

U20 WC this year will be the most competitive. Fiji makes a difference compared to previous several years. Therefore there is a need to have a very strong team in order to maintain a place in U20 elite. I believe Abzhandadze and Karkadze should be in the team.

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby armchair_expert » Mon, 25 Feb 2019, 11:30

CHAMPIONSHIP Teams (As Seeded) 1. Portugal 2. Spain 3. Russia 4. Netherlands 5. Romania 6. France–Nouvelle Aquitaine
Round 1 -31/03/19
M1: Portugal v France –Nouvelle Aquitaine
M2: Russia v Spain
M3: Romania v Netherlands
Round 2 -03/04/19
M4: Portugal v Netherlands
M5: Russia v France –Nouvelle Aquitaine
M6: Romania v Spain
Round 3 -06/04/19
M7: Portugal v Spain
M8: Russia v Netherlands
M9: Romania v France –Nouvelle Aquitaine
Win 4 points, Draw 2 points, Lost0 point, 1 point offensive bonus +3 tries or 1 point defensive bonus lostby less than 7 points
Full ranking for all teams, 3 games. The qualify country for World Rugby Juniors Trophy will be the country ranked 1st,orif France -Nouvelle Aquitaine is ranked 1st,the country immediately ranked after France -Nouvelle Aquitaine,.
https://www.rugbyeurope.eu/sites/default/files/document/190218_re_u20_manual_final.pdf

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby welshdragon2000 » Mon, 25 Feb 2019, 11:50

Favourite will be Portugal again presumably. Russia up to much at youth? Haven't be great for a while, hopefully the Lyn Jones effect radiates down to the juniors

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 25 Feb 2019, 11:55

Shit format. Why does an invitational team take part in U20 Trophy qualifiers and Georgia doesn't? And Rugby Europe keeps losing entrants. From bad to worse.

Russia is my dark horse, but money and camps weigh more than anything Lyn Jones may have done up to date.

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby victorsra » Mon, 25 Feb 2019, 13:48

Really, who the hell believe this shit 6 teams-3 matches format is good???????
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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby BigG » Mon, 25 Feb 2019, 16:46

Could you, please explain me why (how) France–Nouvelle Aquitaine participates in the tournament?

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby Bogdan_DC » Tue, 26 Feb 2019, 07:15

Not enough teams. Without that French side they had in mind a bigger joke: 40 minutes games.

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby NedRugby » Tue, 26 Feb 2019, 08:48

I find this very disappointing. Last year there were 8 teams, same five national U20s plus Ukraine and Poland. And a regional Portuguese team. So where are teams like Germany and Belgium? Georgia I can understand, they don't need to qualify for the WRT. But I hope it doesn't mean they are starting to act like 6N teams in considering themselves above Rugby Europe competitions.

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby BigG » Tue, 26 Feb 2019, 10:56

NedRugby wrote:I find this very disappointing. Last year there were 8 teams, same five national U20s plus Ukraine and Poland. And a regional Portuguese team. So where are teams like Germany and Belgium? Georgia I can understand, they don't need to qualify for the WRT. But I hope it doesn't mean they are starting to act like 6N teams in considering themselves above Rugby Europe competitions.


I would welcome Georgia participating in that competition. Meantime, what happens if they win the tournament? Therefore Georgia might participate under "B" team status and out of the contest (the competition).

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Re: Youth Internationals

Postby RugbyPUBtbilisi » Tue, 26 Feb 2019, 11:08

NedRugby wrote:I find this very disappointing. Last year there were 8 teams, same five national U20s plus Ukraine and Poland. And a regional Portuguese team. So where are teams like Germany and Belgium? Georgia I can understand, they don't need to qualify for the WRT. But I hope it doesn't mean they are starting to act like 6N teams in considering themselves above Rugby Europe competitions.

Careful now, choose descent argument.
Georgia U20 won trophy in 2015 and since than they did not finished last in Championship, so no they will not withdraw from championship for Trophy.

More than happy to play a lot on this level. Always interesting but there is Japan who was relegated last year. I hope we will send another team to trophy this year.

Georgia U20 will have warm up series with France and RSA prior to JRWC

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