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10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby victorsra » Wed, 07 Nov 2018, 23:13

Venue: Morumbi Stadium - São Paulo
Kickoff: 7 PM (local time) = 9 PM UK time
Referee: Federico Anselmi (ARG)
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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby victorsra » Wed, 07 Nov 2018, 23:14

Brazilian squad:

Forwards: Endy Willian Pinheiro (Curitiba), Murilo “Nelson” Rebolo (Band Saracens), Caique Segura (São José), Lucas Abud (Poli), Matheus “Blade” Rocha (Jacareí), Michel “Vanzinha” Olimpio (São José), Jardel Vettorato (Farrapos), Pedro Bengaló (Poli), Cleber “Gelado” Dias (Poli), Lucas “Bruxinho” Piero (Desterro), Luiz “Monstro” Vieira (Tyrosse, França), Matteo Dell’Acqua (Valorugby Emilia, Itália), Michael “Iha” Moraes (Curitiba), André “Buda” Arruda (Desterro), Arthur Bergo (SPAC), Devon Muller (Band Saracens);



Backs: Douglas Rauth (Curitiba), Lucas “Tanque” Duque (São José), Josh Reeves (Band Saracens, 2019: Utah Warriors, MLR), Felipe Sancery (São José), Moisés Duque (São José), De Wet Van Niekerk (Poli), Robert Tenório (Pasteur), Stefano Giantorno (São José), Valentin Garcia (Poli), Lucas “Zé” Tranquez (Poli), Daniel Sancery (São José);
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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 08 Nov 2018, 03:47

Looking forward to this one. Maori will win of course but hoping Brazil put up a fight.

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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby Canalina » Thu, 08 Nov 2018, 04:05

victorsra wrote:Brazilian squad:

Forwards: Matteo Dell’Acqua (Valorugby Emilia, Itália)

Is this time for real?
I don't remember anymore: has he played for Brazil at least once in the past or he just ended to remain in Italy every time they called him?
His club, Valorugby from Reggio Emilia, is surprisingly fourth in the italian Top 12 ranking, they won 6 matches out of 8 between Top 12 and Coppa Italia and Matteo scored two tries last saturday in the victory against Verona

victorsra wrote:Venue: Morumbi Stadium - São Paulo
Kickoff: 7 PM (local time) = 10 PM UK time

According to google there are just two hours difference between Sao Paulo and London in this time of the year
So it should be 21.00 in London, 22.00 in central Europe
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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby 4N » Thu, 08 Nov 2018, 04:13

thatrugbyguy wrote:Looking forward to this one. Maori will win of course but hoping Brazil put up a fight.


Most interesting fixture of November for me. I think Brazil will come out fired up and keep it close for 20 minutes or so.

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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby victorsra » Thu, 08 Nov 2018, 14:57

Is this time for real?


Yep, he's with the team already. He was called to a Brazil vs Kenya match but did not played AFAIR. Have you watched him playing for Reggio?
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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby Canalina » Thu, 08 Nov 2018, 19:12

Yes, he is a good second/third row; rarely used to conquer the ball in touch and not too speedy, he is a great fighter on the breakdowns. He had some hot temper that caused him several yellow cards, but he seems improved on this side. Definitively a good player, but he is not always in the starting XV in italian championship', so a match with the Maori All Blacks as opponents seems an hard task to him

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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby victorsra » Thu, 08 Nov 2018, 20:12

Rumours that the attendance might reach 40.000!

Definitively a good player, but he is not always in the starting XV in italian championship', so a match with the Maori All Blacks as opponents seems an hard task to him


Well... hard for any Brazilian player!
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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby victorsra » Thu, 08 Nov 2018, 21:04

CBRu has confirmed 33.000 tickets already sold or given away: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/noticia ... ta-lotando

Last weekend's Soldier Field triple-header had 35.000 people... We may reach 40k!
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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby victorsra » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 01:05

Brasil: 15 Daniel Sancery, 14 Lucas "Zé" Tranquez, 13 Felipe Sancery (c), 12 Moisés Duque, 11 Robert Tenório, 10 Josh Reeves, 9 Lucas "Tanque" Duque, 8 André "Buda" Arruda, 7 Devon Muller, 6 Arthur Bergo, 5 Cléber "Gelado" Dias, 4 Luiz "Monstro" Vieira, 3 Jardel Vettorato, 2 Wilton Murilo "Nelson" Rebolo, 1 Lucas Abud;

Suplentes: 16 Caique Segura, 17 Endy Willian Pinheiro, 18 Matheus "Blade" Rocha, 19 Matteo Dell'Acqua, 20 Michael "Ilha" Oliveira, 21 Douglas Rauth, 22 Jacobus De Wet Van Niekerk, 23 Stefano Giantorno;

Maori All Blacks:
15 Matty Lansdown, 14 Jonah Lowe, 13 Rob Thompson, 12 Teihorangi Walden, 11 Shaun Stevenson, 10 Otere Black, 9 Jonathan Ruru, 8 Akira Ioane, 7 Billy Harmon, 6 Reed Prinsep, 5 Pari Pari Parkinson, 4 Isaia Walker-Leawere, 3 Marcel Renata, 2 Ash Dixon (c), 1 Ben May;

Suplentes: 16 Robbie Abel, 17 Chris Eves, 18 Tyrel Lomax, 19 Jackson Hemopo, 20 Mitch Karpik, 21 Bryn Hall, 22 Josh Ioane, 23 Matt Proctor;

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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 02:05

Why are the in goals so small? There's clearly enough room for the full 10m. Other than that the field looks in good condition. Weather forecast says chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon but should clear up by evening. As for the crowd, it's already a record one way or another, but to get even close to 40,000 would be amazing. Historic day for Brazilian rugby. Hopefully we see a similar turnout in Chile next week.

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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby victorsra » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 02:13

I guess the problem is the opposito in-goal, that is too close to an area without grass.

I think Chile's stadium is only about 20.000 seats.
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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby Osmanperalta » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 03:15

I think Chile's stadium is only about 20.000 seats.


more like 15,000 which look like will be a sell-out only a handful of tickets are free

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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby amz » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 12:10

I don't want to spoil the fun of Brazilian fans and I'm happy for them but this match shouldn't have happen as things looks in world of rugby.

Visiting two tier 3 sides only for money is a shame and OK, not Romania to not call me subjective, but at least Georgia should have been visited by Maoris until now. This event speaks volumes about the way tests are awarded, about the nepotism and business interest of Pichot and it's a shame rugby establishment.

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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby victorsra » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 12:19

Well NZR is using the Maori All Blacks to make money in emerging rugby nations, but if a country puts almost 40.000 fans to watch them it is difficult to call it a shame. They are doing a job developing rugby markets...

Who said they won't go to Eastern Europe soon? It would be pretty logical.

However I do agree with you that Pichot does more for the Americas than any other continent and this must be questioned. But I am not sure how much Pichot influence is in this MAB tour.
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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 12:42

The unions in Europe probably need to push things a little harder. I agree the Maori would be well suited for matches against REC nations, but I think they’d need to present something to the NZRU united. November (or even July)matches against Romania, Georgia and Russia would be a good proposal, it would just be a matter of presenting an excellent case for the tour.
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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 12:43

I agree with AMZ that Georgia and Romania should have had them way earlier. But I think Brazil, Chile and the USA years before, help to create cases that it makes sense for them to visit t2+t3-opposition.

The Maoris are probably the only 2nd team to draw a reasonable crowd in tier2+3 nations. Good that they can make money, kind of strange that this team wasn't used before that much to grow rugby. Everybody knows the Haka, that's probably rugby's most influent and most valued folklore.

Hopefully they are a success, because if they are this will lead to them touring t2+t3 more often (and then hopefully also to Romania and Georgia).
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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 12:51

thatrugbyguy wrote:The unions in Europe probably need to push things a little harder. I agree the Maori would be well suited for matches against REC nations, but I think they’d need to present something to the NZRU united. November matches against Romania, Georgia and Russia would be a good proposal, it would just be a matter of presenting an excellent case for the tour.


What Europe needs is somebody actually speaking for them with a strong voice. I don't blame Pichot. He is doing a very good job in growing the game in the Americas. Naturally he favours where he comes from. That's absolutely okay in my honest opinion.

If "European" Rugby World guys would think the same way since the game went pro, we would have a competitive 12 team Euro by now + a way more money generating 24-team RWC.
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Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 12:53

RugbyLiebe wrote:I agree with AMZ that Georgia and Romania should have had them way earlier. But I think Brazil, Chile and the USA years before, help to create cases that it makes sense for them to visit t2+t3-opposition.

The Maoris are probably the only 2nd team to draw a reasonable crowd in tier2+3 nations. Good that they can make money, kind of strange that this team wasn't used before that much to grow rugby. Everybody knows the Haka, that's probably rugby's most influent and most valued folklore.

Hopefully they are a success, because if they are this will lead to them touring t2+t3 more often (and then hopefully also to Romania and Georgia).


That’s another thing to consider. The Māori for most of their history have played most of their matches against Pacific Island nations, they’ve really only played a handful of times in anywhere else. This South American tour is already a success, meaning there’s value in the Māori brand. If they see this works in South America where rugby’s presence isn’t massive the there’s a good argument in favour of tours to Europe against REC teams in the future. Keep this in mind. This America’s tour is the longest Māori tour in 15 years. They play a lot of one off matches, they haven’t played many 3-match tours before.

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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 12:55

RugbyLiebe wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:The unions in Europe probably need to push things a little harder. I agree the Maori would be well suited for matches against REC nations, but I think they’d need to present something to the NZRU united. November matches against Romania, Georgia and Russia would be a good proposal, it would just be a matter of presenting an excellent case for the tour.


What Europe needs is somebody actually speaking for them with a strong voice. I don't blame Pichot. He is doing a very good job in growing the game in the Americas. Naturally he favours where he comes from. That's absolutely okay in my honest opinion.

If "European" Rugby World guys would think the same way since the game went pro, we would have a competitive 12 team Euro by now + a way more money generating 24-team RWC.


I don’t disagree. Europe needs a stronger voice for the REC/RET nations. Pichot has been passionate about growing rugby in the Americas for years now and he should not be faulted for that. Europe needs its own voice.

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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 12:58

Good, Rugby Europe has a new CEO. Bad, Rugby Europe has another Frenchman leading as if the very same receipt would work this time differently.

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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby amz » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 13:05

thatrugbyguy wrote: Pichot has been passionate about growing rugby in the Americas for years now and he should not be faulted for that. Europe needs its own voice.


He is the vice-president of World Rugby, not Americas Rugby. And Chile connections involves some of his personal business and interest in mining. Visiting Georgia by Maori should have been done years ago when they surpassed Italy in rankings. There's absolutely no excuse going in Chile and Brazil before going in Europe which is, like it or not, stronger on average than Americans 6N

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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby nick511 » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 13:14

I certainly think a Eastern European tour has merit for the Maori. If you look at the history the last time they played a European team in Europe was 1988, they have tended to stay closer to home and play Pacific rim nations. In fact they've only played November games the last few years with the majority of games before this being during the June window.

I think its more likely that they take on Hong Kong or South Korea in a tour, and build on their success in Japan. Maybe during the November internationals Georgia and Romania are more focused on playing national teams rather than a 2nd XV. From what I understand this Maori tour to South America happened due to Canada not qualifying for the RWC, and I'm not sure if Pichot had any direct role in it, but someone must have because no one here knows about Brazil or Chile rugby.

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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby iul » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 13:17

amz wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote: Pichot has been passionate about growing rugby in the Americas for years now and he should not be faulted for that. Europe needs its own voice.


He is the vice-president of World Rugby, not Americas Rugby. And Chile connections involves some of his personal business and interest in mining. Visiting Georgia by Maori should have been done years ago when they surpassed Italy in rankings. There's absolutely no excuse going in Chile and Brazil before going in Europe which is, like it or not, stronger on average than Americans 6N

I suppose one could argue they're taking care of their hemisphere.

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Re: 10th Nov - Brazil vs Maori All Blacks

Postby amz » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 13:32

Even if this was due to a Canada tour of two matches there's still no excuse why a falling side is kept feed with Maori games while Europe is totally ignored.

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